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Omar Bogle - gone to Newport (p31)

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  • Purrington is a solid full back. Personally I think we should be playing Doughty as a wing back, but I think it is good to have a player like Purrington in the squad.
    Horses for courses, Muttley, eh? But Doughty as wingback has got lots of holes in his defending, at times leaving us exposed.

    Purrington is well capable in a conventional back 4, but wingback he ain't. 

    Bowyer likes attacking fullbacks, to get forward and provide the thrust and width to his narrow midfields.
    Purrington is not naturally that either.

    First rule of a defender: defend.

    He's LB, a defender and decent at defending. But Bowyer wants more from his fullbacks than that.
    Unfortunately for Ben.

  • edited October 2020
    Oggy Red said:
    Horses for courses, Muttley, eh? But Doughty as wingback has got lots of holes in his defending, at times leaving us exposed.

    Purrington is well capable in a conventional back 4, but wingback he ain't. 

    Bowyer likes attacking fullbacks, to get forward and provide the thrust and width to his narrow midfields.
    Purrington is not naturally that either.

    First rule of a defender: defend.

    He's LB, a defender and decent at defending. But Bowyer wants more from his fullbacks than that.
    Unfortunately for Ben.

    Totally agree, but if there is a league where you should prioritise attacking over defending, this is it. You put league one defenders under the right sort of pressure, they will concede.
  • Totally agree, but if there is a league where you should prioritise attacking over defending, this is it. You put league one defenders under the right sort of pressure, they will concede.
    Yep, often they will.

    But you need to make sure the back door is properly closed behind you. Or you will concede easily on the counter, as we did recently against Doncaster.

  • When they don't feel comfortable defending they are less of a threat and you only have to score one more than them.
  • Clive Menonca was the last Grimsby Town striker to come to Charlton 

    We have also had Charlie Wright,  keeper and Rodney Green, centre forward. Hate the word striker as many of ours seem on strike !
    What about Matt Tees?
  • What about Matt Tees?
    That was a reply to a mention of Matt Tees..... 
  • What about Matt Tees?
    Some of us oldies have already posted about Matt Tees a couple of pages back. One of my boyhood heroes.


  • edited October 2020
    Oggy Red said:
    Purrington bashing, eh?

    I agree it was a rough old season for him last year: injury early on, pressed back into the team before he was properly fit because there was no one else, exposed and doubled up on - and then complete loss of his self-confidence and Bowyer hooked him after 30 mins.

    But in the New Year, Bowyer often chose to play 3 CBs at the back, no room for a conventional back 4 LB - plus Purrington's no wingback, as everybody knows. Different gameplan, formation, tactics.

    Before Purrington was signed on loan, we had Lewis Page again lost to injury and no specialist LB, and it showed - no shape to the back 4 and shipping goals. Ben came in and in Bowyer's words, "steadied the ship". During the terrific run in the last 12 fixtures that promotion season, we lost only 1 game, the game that an ill Purrington missed and Solly got himself sent off.

    Purrington was so bad that he reclaimed his position immediately, we finished 3rd, won the playoffs and he scored a vital Wembley equaliser. And so bad that afterwards Bowyer signed him on a permanent contract.

    League One may well be his level. But that doesn't make him a bad player.

    Yes, Purrington bashing .  Why?  Because he can’t jump, can’t pass forwards , can’t defend , has no pace .  I could go on ..  

    I shall go on .. if he were right footed, he wouldn’t be a pro !
  • BalladMan said:
    I like stats, so put a comparison together bogle vs taylor vs bonne



    What have I learnt?
    1. Bogle's record in the championship is poor..... likely brought in get us out of League One? 1 year contract suggests so
    2. Ratio goals to games is better for all players that are established and play many games in an individual league, usually playing for 1 side (which makes sense as teams build around them). Bogle has not even played 1/2 seasons worth of games in League one, so we need to give him a chance to show us what he can do. Player with the best ratio for that league highlighted in yellow.
    3. Bonne and Bogle have a near identical record at National league level. Is Bogle the new Bonne?  The type of goals he scores (relatively spectacular and individual) suggests not. 
    4. Despite Taylors lack of goals this season, he still has the best ratio in the championship of the 3 players. 
    5.  Taylor was pretty consistent in Champ, League One, League two (unfortunately < 3.0 games per goal)
    6.  Other than a short spell in League Two, Bonne has a pretty consistent record (around 3.0 games per goal) across all the leagues he has played in, which is why he may have been worth keeping hold of. 
    7.  All players, when looking at total games to goals, are roughly equal.  This is an inconsistent stat though as the games were played at varying level so I don't pay it a lot of attention.  Bonne for example, played nearly half the games counted in the National League. 

    Overall, I am surprised by the limited number of games Bogle has played in total ( I excluded his stint in Holland but was only a handful anyway).  He needs a run of games and to stay injury free and there is every chance we could have a goal scorer equivalent to at least Bonne, but his total number of games suggest he might succumb to the Charlton curse and be injured.  

    Link to sheet if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZZosOAnjb_MzTUA-_GF5QjC4winfLONlSC7O6bXrW3w/edit?usp=sharing
    Good work mate, interesting stuff. Bogle 27 but played far less league games than Bonne. 
  • wmcf123 said:
    Yes, Purrington bashing .  Why?  Because he can’t jump, can’t pass forwards , can’t defend , has no pace .  I could go on ..  

    I shall go on .. if he were right footed, he wouldn’t be a pro !
    Yeah, right-o ...... I get the message. You don't rate him, Lee. :smile:


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  • wmcf123 said:
    If you want to be so patronising, I saw Purrington score a goal in that exceptional league one side we had in the playoff final (he and Parker were the dross that we could afford to carry with 9 other players that easily would hold their own in the championship or better ) and I saw almost every dogshit display he put in last season; it was pretty clear Bowyer agreed that he wasn’t very good by hardly using him from January onwards and I hope we can get someone better in shortly .  
    Purrington does a job in league 1 and Parker is now playing in the Championship.




  • Just spoke to one of the guys on shift tonight who is a pompey fan. He said he liked him but he only really made substitute appearances under Kenny jacket and was primarily used as a wide man there. He felt Jacket never utilised him enough.
  • Just spoke to one of the guys on shift tonight who is a pompey fan. He said he liked him but he only really made substitute appearances under Kenny jacket and was primarily used as a wide man there. He felt Jacket never utilised him enough.
    You just know that Bowyer will play him through the middle, but allow him to drift out wide creating movement and space ..... like he wanted from Grant, Taylor, Leko and Green.


  • ct_addick said:
    Don’t get the abuse Purrington gets. He’s a steady eddy and not going to set the world on fire. Yes I can blame Him for the late Hull winner last season but forever grateful for the terrific goal at Wembley. I hope our players don’t read this forum 
    I’d we need to censor our own discussions, we shut the forum down, surely ?
  • For us....Not many. I'm not a stats man but I do know that the times we have got promoted (98, 2000, 2012, 2019) the top goalscorer had scored 20+. Mendonca was pipped for the Golden Boot by Phillips & Hunt won it. You don't get promoted with a striker getting 12 or 15. Unless you have 3 of them, and that's very rare.
  • For us....Not many. I'm not a stats man but I do know that the times we have got promoted (98, 2000, 2012, 2019) the top goalscorer had scored 20+. Mendonca was pipped for the Golden Boot by Phillips & Hunt won it. You don't get promoted with a striker getting 12 or 15. Unless you have 3 of them, and that's very rare.
    Taylor, Grant and Vetokele - about 50 goals 
  • Hopefully,between Bogle and Aneke,we can now hold the ball up better,this will obviously take the pressure off the defence and allow our wing backs and midfield to get more involved on the attacking side rather than comtinually running back to their own goal when the ball constantly gets lost up front.You will also now have Maddison sending over crosses better than anyone else has done for the last few seasons.This will also give players like Williams and Oz more opportunity to show what they can do with ball in the opposing third rather than being forced back all the time,personally think this has got the makings of a really good squad.
    Agree with everything you say it all sounds good in theory just hope it works in practise
  • edited October 2020
    wmcf123 said:
    If you want to be so patronising, I saw Purrington score a goal in that exceptional league one side we had in the playoff final (he and Parker were the dross that we could afford to carry with 9 other players that easily would hold their own in the championship or better ) and I saw almost every dogshit display he put in last season; it was pretty clear Bowyer agreed that he wasn’t very good by hardly using him from January onwards and I hope we can get someone better in shortly .  


    When you want to slag a player off, "dog shit" try not to be too precious yourself.

    Purrington was the 6.5 player we needed at LB last time we were in League 1. In fact he was so important that when Solly was put there we struggled because unless you are two footed, Barness and Bowen from memory, it's a nightmare to play in a position where you need to tackle with your wrong foot. 

    Purrington started the Championship season well last season when we had the quality players like Cullen and Gallagher in midfield and Taylor up front. When we lost those players through injury and the Bastard decision by Chelsea (which was the kiss of death to our season) then Purrington along with all the players, looked like the Journey men and kids that they were.

    Page would have been the LB in the championship over Purrington, just like Wiggins over Fox but injury meant that couldn't happen too often (in Lewis's case not at all)

    Turner (2, 1 in his own net) Duffy, Mendonca (3, best hatrick ever in quality at the old stadium) Rufus, Purrington and Bauer. No one can deny the fantastic achievement of all of the above.

    Despite the crude assessment of a LB professional footballer, he will quite rightly be in the Short list of our Wembley hero goalscorers.

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  • If he scores ten goals I’ll eat my hat.
    If he doesn't I'll drop mine!
  • So, now that the interviews are all done and out there, it's revealed that this desperate signing because of League One/salary cap was being persued when we were a Championship club. 
  • BalladMan said:
    I like stats, so put a comparison together bogle vs taylor vs bonne



    What have I learnt?
    1. Bogle's record in the championship is poor..... likely brought in get us out of League One? 1 year contract suggests so
    2. Ratio goals to games is better for all players that are established and play many games in an individual league, usually playing for 1 side (which makes sense as teams build around them). Bogle has not even played 1/2 seasons worth of games in League one, so we need to give him a chance to show us what he can do. Player with the best ratio for that league highlighted in yellow.
    3. Bonne and Bogle have a near identical record at National league level. Is Bogle the new Bonne?  The type of goals he scores (relatively spectacular and individual) suggests not. 
    4. Despite Taylors lack of goals this season, he still has the best ratio in the championship of the 3 players. 
    5.  Taylor was pretty consistent in Champ, League One, League two (unfortunately < 3.0 games per goal)
    6.  Other than a short spell in League Two, Bonne has a pretty consistent record (around 3.0 games per goal) across all the leagues he has played in, which is why he may have been worth keeping hold of. 
    7.  All players, when looking at total games to goals, are roughly equal.  This is an inconsistent stat though as the games were played at varying level so I don't pay it a lot of attention.  Bonne for example, played nearly half the games counted in the National League. 

    Overall, I am surprised by the limited number of games Bogle has played in total ( I excluded his stint in Holland but was only a handful anyway).  He needs a run of games and to stay injury free and there is every chance we could have a goal scorer equivalent to at least Bonne, but his total number of games suggest he might succumb to the Charlton curse and be injured.  

    Link to sheet if anyone is interested: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZZosOAnjb_MzTUA-_GF5QjC4winfLONlSC7O6bXrW3w/edit?usp=sharing
    I'd suggest goals per minutes played is a better indicator than goals per match.
  • What type of hat is it?

    Rumplestiltskin

    I have typed that word as it should be easy to find this post at the end of the season using the search function. If I can remember that name that is!
    Don't worry, I've just travelled to the future & back. LargeAddicks hat is safe.


  • I know Bob, I do say some outrageous stuff when I'm on my soapbox !


    Haha don't we all mate but Tees, Mendonca, Bogle all in the same sentence ???  :o  :D
    That's going a bit far   :D
  • There are very few goal scorers around these days.
    The goals are shared around a bit more.

    If Bogle can hold the ball up, bring the other striker and attacking midfielders in to the game, whilst adding height at set pieces at both ends, he will be doing a great job.

    We didn't have anyone capable of doing that from start to finish.
    If he can get 12-15 goals as well, he will be a success.
    We'll have to wait and see.
    He could be the new Leaburn but with a few more goals in him.  Super, Super Clive said Carl was the best strike partner he'd ever had.
  • He could be the new Leaburn but with a few more goals in him.  Super, Super Clive said Carl was the best strike partner he'd ever had.
    Walsh said Carl was one of the greatest wingers he had ever played with!
  • cafcfan said:
    I'd suggest goals per minutes played is a better indicator than goals per match.
    Surely minutes played is an indication of his quality .............. or not.
  • Surely minutes played is an indication of his quality .............. or not.
    A sentiment analysis on this forum at the end of the season is surely the ultimate indication of his quality 
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