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Alastair Thrush leaves as Head of Medical Services / P.3 Danny Murphy appointed
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That's mean.jacob_CAFC said:
50% of people are more stupid than averageForeverAddickted said:
Yeah really disappointing to read a lot of those comments on social media but then again its a platform for too many idiotsElliotCAFC said:What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it. Take a look at Twitter and people are happy that a man has lost his job during an economic crisis.Best of luck to him and hopefully the replacement is a literal wizard.
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Isn't it a logical conclusion that if Roddy/Sandgaard felt the injury problems were just down to a lack of investment in equipment extra physios etc., they wouldn't have fired the head of medical3
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thank you Sage, I hope that you would comment and you have with insight and reasonable remarks.2
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"Hi Alistair, it's Thomas. Do you have any space in the medical rooms where you and I can sit down and have a little chat?"
"I'm afraid not. All the treatment rooms are busy".
"I hope this gives you an indication as to why we need to have that chat".9 -
Alastair Thrush: anagram of a harsh altruist0
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I'm not throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from? I'm stating that it's wrong to scapegoat one man for an issue that's out of his control. As I've already said, we have injury prone players that are overplayed as well as a medical department that is overworked and under-resourced, so it's unfortunate that it's had to come to this.Dazzler21 said:
Really don't get this. Throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from.ElliotCAFC said:What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?
It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it.
If Thomas Sandgaard, who has a strong background in Medical Services, believes he may be able to bring in someone to do a better job than Mr Thrush, who are we to doubt him.
This decision won't have been taken lightly. It is Sandgaard's club to run as he believes is right and this appears to be the choice arrived at.
I do agree that the behaviour on Social Media is equally weird, celebrating it.
As Sage has brilliantly put, this is a multifaceted issue that has been going on for a while.
I wouldn't care if Sandgaard sacked the entire medical team and replaced it with a new one, he's saved us from oblivion and he can make whatever changes he sees fit.
On your point on Sandgaard owning a company that makes pain management devices, that doesn't mean he has any great insight into sports medicine - just like the CEO of Greggs doesn't have to know how to make sausage rolls.4 -
I understand Thomas has wasted no time in getting a replacement.
'Doctor Narfell will see you now!!'
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I understand people might feel the need to double down on their defense of the medical department, but the news does speak very plainly: the head of the medical department has just been fired.0
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I see Alfie Spanner had his operation in Princess Grace Hospital - I cannot remember any of our players being treated there previously.
This is part of HCA Healthcare (Hospital Corporation of America) and along with the new hi tech Zynex medical equipment sent to the Club a couple of weeks ago indicates a change in direction of the medical services being provided for the players.
I can only see this as a positive, though am obviously sorry that it's cost someone their job.4 -
No. The reasons of lack of investment, equipment etc that I have noted is a factor that has not helped the overall performance of not just the medical team, but the team on the pitch too. Roland, for example, unfortunately did not see the link in causation.Chunes said:Isn't it a logical conclusion that if Roddy/Sandgaard felt the injury problems were just down to a lack of investment in equipment extra physios etc., they wouldn't have fired the head of medical
Ultimately, it’s a business and the way the club is wanting to go, someone takes responsibility. Because of his role, that will fall onto him.
I am not saying there’s no one better. I’m not saying he’s irreplaceable. Not at all. If we can get someone in who is better, more qualified, with fresh and exciting ideas, do it. 100%.
I was providing balance and an insight with the reasons and what they’ve had to work with for however long. He’s not blameless, but he’s also not solely responsible.8 -
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I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments2 -
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case2 -
After years of chasing the dream of Charltonlife admin, @Dazzler21 targets a new position in the medical profession. 😉Dazzler21 said:
Really don't get this. Throwing all trust towards a man we've never heard from.ElliotCAFC said:What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?
It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it.
If Thomas Sandgaard, who has a strong background in Medical Services, believes he may be able to bring in someone to do a better job than Mr Thrush, who are we to doubt him.
This decision won't have been taken lightly. It is Sandgaard's club to run as he believes is right and this appears to be the choice arrived at.
I do agree that the behaviour on Social Media is equally weird, celebrating it.5 -
Injuries occurring would surely be more down to things like training regime. Medical Services is more recovery time than people getting injured in the first place.1
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Napoleon Solo gets his man...1
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I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.ForeverAddickted said:
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury4 -
As others have said, there have likely been many contributing factors to the various injury problems we have had. Hard to know which single one is the biggest cause. I suspect it's probably not Alistair Thrush who is the main reason, but it's probably reasonable for the new ownership to want to try something new and this is one way of doing it. Hard on AT, especially at a time like this, but I'm sure he'll find other opportunities in the game.One thing I would say is we can just generally expect to see a lot of injuries this year - the fixture schedule is unreasonably busy, although getting out of the cups early will help us a little bit, but the regular international breaks may not. It may be tough to judge this season whether this change has a positive effect or not because we are not playing an average season.3
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Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.killerandflash said:
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.ForeverAddickted said:
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury0 -
Both Klopp and Pep have been complaining about increased injuries this season.
Pep suggested muscle injuries are up 49% this season.
Liverpool have lost Van Dyke, Trent- Arnold and now Gomez.
Do they and Man Ci poty have a lack of resources or a poor medical team?
But if we have 10% fewer injuries this season then that is a huge benefit just as will be if we can make a 5 or 10% improvement in every area from corners to commercial income.
If that means Thrush going then sadly for him personally so be it but as @sage sagely says there are multiple factors in why players get injured and how long it takes them to recover.
One is the injury record of players before they arrived. Often we've been forced, due to budgets, to risk taking on injury prone players like Williams who still rarely completes a full 90 minutes.
This is new world and this won't, I suspect, be the last change we see.2 -
Probably got the 7 year itch.0
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But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgetsSage said:
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.killerandflash said:
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.ForeverAddickted said:
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury0 -
To an extent it's also the choice we've madeHenry Irving said:Both Klopp and Pep have been complaining about increased injuries this season.
Pep suggested muscle injuries are up 49% this season.
Liverpool have lost Van Dyke, Trent- Arnold and now Gomez.
Do they and Man Ci poty have a lack of resources or a poor medical team?
But if we have 10% fewer injuries this season then that is a huge benefit just as will be if we can make a 5 or 10% improvement in every area from corners to commercial income.
If that means Thrush going then sadly for him personally so be it but as @sage sagely says there are multiple factors in why players get injured and how long it takes them to recover.
One is the injury record of players before they arrived. Often we've been forced, due to budgets, to risk taking on injury prone players like Williams who still rarely completes a full 90 minutes.
This is new world and this won't, I suspect, be the last change we see.
Player a - talented, but with question marks over their injury or fitness record, e.g. Williams, but also JFC, Bielik
Player b - lower league journeyman, will play every week but no better than L1
We've tended to go for the former, whereas many of the smaller teams in L1 will have more of the latter3 -
All the best to him.
Think it’s out of order what is being posted on social media about him.4 -
It is true though, because he didn’t invest. Even clubs at our level now still invest as much as they can. Roland chose to neglect it.killerandflash said:
But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgetsSage said:
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.killerandflash said:
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.ForeverAddickted said:
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury3 -
Good luck to his replacement, as the previous Head of Medical services Erol Umut was also asked to leave and blamed for the injuries.2
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That's generally true for Normal distributions, of course ... and it can happen in other, unusual data populations.jacob_CAFC said:
50% of people are more stupid than averageForeverAddickted said:
Yeah really disappointing to read a lot of those comments on social media but then again its a platform for too many idiotsElliotCAFC said:What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it. Take a look at Twitter and people are happy that a man has lost his job during an economic crisis.Best of luck to him and hopefully the replacement is a literal wizard.
But there are many situations where most people are well above average. And, of course, many where most people are well below.
Salaries and number of legs would be two examples.1 -
Yet more collateral damage from the RD era.
TS has acted decisively - and fast. So, this is also a signal that CAFC, at least in respect of its administration, is now a different club. That's sad for the doc who's had to struggle through some tough times, but Roddy at SL and Mumford at The Valley represent a regime change every bit as marked as the difference between the present and previous owners.
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There’s a self directed joke in your comment if your were to carefully consider the maths of what you wrote. I think . I was never good at maths.jacob_CAFC said:
50% of people are more stupid than averageForeverAddickted said:
Yeah really disappointing to read a lot of those comments on social media but then again its a platform for too many idiotsElliotCAFC said:What do people expect when you’re buying cheap, injury prone players to play high intensity football twice a week?It might be all his fault but I highly doubt it. Take a look at Twitter and people are happy that a man has lost his job during an economic crisis.Best of luck to him and hopefully the replacement is a literal wizard.0 -
I suspect that we'll see more than one incoming for the medical team over the next few weeks.
I mean, even Arsenal sacked their assistant masseur because of Covid.0 -
As was even more pronounced last season in the championshipSage said:
It is true though, because he didn’t invest. Even clubs at our level now still invest as much as they can. Roland chose to neglect it.killerandflash said:
But that's not true though, as we are in a division where many clubs exist on incredibly tight budgetsSage said:
Compare ourselves with anyone, because he didn’t resource or invest in it.killerandflash said:
I've no idea, but when people say that Roland under resourced this department and that department, it does depend on who you compare ourselves with.ForeverAddickted said:
But then what are the injury troubles like @ Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster?killerandflash said:I've no idea what happened behind the scenes, or how good he is at his job, but to the outside world it doesn't look great for his reputation, as the implication is that he's partially to blame
Are our medical resources that bad when compared to other clubs in this division anyway? I can't imagine the likes of Gillingham, Rochdale or Doncaster having better resourced medical departments
Are we just ignorant of their issues because quite simply we dont care
Way a lot of people talk on Social Media you'd think its only Charlton that get injuries when its certainly not the case
It's the same with the training ground. Against most Championship clubs it looks a bit inadequate, against most L1 sides it looks the height of luxury2
