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Government urged to allow return of fans (ed. Limited crowds to return in Tiers 1&2)

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  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 6,009
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 6,009
    If my family lived in Bexley (they don't as they're dead), could I stay with them at Xmas and go to the Boxing Day match?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,017
    Arsenetatters said:
    If my family lived in Bexley (they don't as they're dead), could I stay with them at Xmas and go to the Boxing Day match?
    No because being in T3 you're not allowed overnight stays anywhere

    But then arent these current tiers being reviewed on the 16th December so might be allowed to go Boxing Day anyway
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,227
    At this rate we'll have about 200 at the game next week.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 6,009
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    If my family lived in Bexley (they don't as they're dead), could I stay with them at Xmas and go to the Boxing Day match?
    No because being in T3 you're not allowed overnight stays anywhere

    But then arent these current tiers being reviewed on the 16th December so might be allowed to go Boxing Day anyway
    I though all bets were off at Xmas?
    Hypothetical as I'm a recluse
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,015
    edited November 2020
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    So how many fans would Welling be allowed in under the new rules?
    50% at PVR is around 2k which is more then their average gate anyways I think?

    Unless a ton of Charlton fans start going because we can't watch our own team and bump up the attendance dramatically. 
  • DaveMehmet
    DaveMehmet Posts: 21,640
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    If my family lived in Bexley (they don't as they're dead), could I stay with them at Xmas and go to the Boxing Day match?
    No because being in T3 you're not allowed overnight stays anywhere

    But then arent these current tiers being reviewed on the 16th December so might be allowed to go Boxing Day anyway
    I thought movement between tiers was being allowed between 23-27th Dec?
  • southamptonaddick
    southamptonaddick Posts: 4,063
    They can send me and my son a ticket Southampton is in tier 2.  B)

  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,016
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,308
    killerandflash said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
    Top of the league Dartford travel to Eastbourne on 5th December. How are club who sales tickets on the door going to stop anyone from travelling and arriving on the gates. One of those when you wont see colours at the matches.

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  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,015
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    killerandflash said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
    Top of the league Dartford travel to Eastbourne on 5th December. How are club who sales tickets on the door going to stop anyone from travelling and arriving on the gates. One of those when you wont see colours at the matches.
    I think nearly all the conference level teams have online ticket sale systems in place, so they could restrict it to online sales only. Below that Ive no idea how they could police it. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,016
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    killerandflash said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
    Top of the league Dartford travel to Eastbourne on 5th December. How are club who sales tickets on the door going to stop anyone from travelling and arriving on the gates. One of those when you wont see colours at the matches.
    As it's Eastbourne, anyone there under 65 will be a Dartford fan!
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,227
    addick1956 said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Everyone stay at home, everyone must be scared. It's quite pathetic how people have such disdain of others wanting to lead a normal life. The same type who signed up to be a Covid Marshall I imagine.  
    It is about staying safe a d helping others to do likewise...not some lead a normal life so others can't. Social responsibility.  Not selfish Arse.

    I thought you would have realised after yesterday, that some people WILL NOT die from COVID.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,325
    Redrobo said:
    J BLOCK said:
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    StigThundercock said:
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    jacob_CAFC said:
    StigThundercock said:
    Two things:
    London's gonna be in Tier 3 for weeks if not months.
    How many of you are really gonna go to a match and risk giving your Granny COVID for Christmas?

    What level of avoidable illness and deaths in your own families is acceptable to allow you to attend a few more matches before most of us get the chance of an inoculation in the Spring?

    Does seem bizarre to allow people to go to games right after a lockdown - i wouldn't blame the people choosing to go though, it's the government and their stupid rules
    It's not the government's bizarre rules or the absence of any that makes a reckless halfwit take an entirely avoidable risk with the health of their supposedly nearest and dearest.  For the sake of another few months before we get some sort of certainty, attending any sort of crowded event is unforgivable.
    How about you let people get on and do what they see fit for their own nearest and dearest.
    Is precisely why Leicester, Liverpool and now Swale have these levels of infection, hospitalisation and death.
    By all means carry on as if you're invulnerable, that's your right.  Any of your "near and dear" that suffer as a result of your dogmatic enforcement of your so called liberty, that's on you; you can't have it both ways. Trouble is the unfortunate saps that bear the brunt of all this loudly hectored "freedom" don't get a choice do they?  The bill for your much vaunted "freedom" isn't paid by you is it?  Your freedom is constrained by your neighbour's right to not have their life spoiled by your actions.
    Not making your Nan ill strikes me as no price to pay - you disagree, as is your right. Sleep well.  
    I’m an adult. I will not die from this. I will also no go and see anyone in my family if they were vulnerable. I don’t need people like you dictating what I can and can’t do. Stop scaremongering, you are not the police or the government. You do what you want and let’s others do what they want. 
    Nobody has died from COVID?
    How on earth have you got that from my post.

    "I will not die from this".
    Again, where did I say nobody has died from COVID? 


    I questioned your ridiculous comment that you will "not die from this".  I did not say you had said nobody has died.
    It is nice to know that you will not be dying from COVID.
    Again, I will not die from Covid. Not sure why this clearly rattles you so much, stop bet wetting and let others get on with their life. Enjoy sheltering at home. 
    When masks became compulsory a chap in his 40’s came into the supermarket without one. When approached by a staff member he let rip with his views that this was all nonsense etc.

    I found out Tuesday that his funeral is today. Died from COVID.

    😂
    Prat
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,325
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    addick1956 said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Everyone stay at home, everyone must be scared. It's quite pathetic how people have such disdain of others wanting to lead a normal life. The same type who signed up to be a Covid Marshall I imagine.  
    It is about staying safe a d helping others to do likewise...not some lead a normal life so others can't. Social responsibility.  Not selfish Arse.

    I thought you would have realised after yesterday, that some people WILL NOT die from COVID.
    RENT.FREE. 
  • StigThundercock
    StigThundercock Posts: 3,722
    Redrobo said:
    J BLOCK said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    J BLOCK said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    J BLOCK said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    J BLOCK said:
    StigThundercock said:
    J BLOCK said:
    StigThundercock said:
    jacob_CAFC said:
    StigThundercock said:
    Two things:
    London's gonna be in Tier 3 for weeks if not months.
    How many of you are really gonna go to a match and risk giving your Granny COVID for Christmas?

    What level of avoidable illness and deaths in your own families is acceptable to allow you to attend a few more matches before most of us get the chance of an inoculation in the Spring?

    Does seem bizarre to allow people to go to games right after a lockdown - i wouldn't blame the people choosing to go though, it's the government and their stupid rules
    It's not the government's bizarre rules or the absence of any that makes a reckless halfwit take an entirely avoidable risk with the health of their supposedly nearest and dearest.  For the sake of another few months before we get some sort of certainty, attending any sort of crowded event is unforgivable.
    How about you let people get on and do what they see fit for their own nearest and dearest.
    Is precisely why Leicester, Liverpool and now Swale have these levels of infection, hospitalisation and death.
    By all means carry on as if you're invulnerable, that's your right.  Any of your "near and dear" that suffer as a result of your dogmatic enforcement of your so called liberty, that's on you; you can't have it both ways. Trouble is the unfortunate saps that bear the brunt of all this loudly hectored "freedom" don't get a choice do they?  The bill for your much vaunted "freedom" isn't paid by you is it?  Your freedom is constrained by your neighbour's right to not have their life spoiled by your actions.
    Not making your Nan ill strikes me as no price to pay - you disagree, as is your right. Sleep well.  
    I’m an adult. I will not die from this. I will also no go and see anyone in my family if they were vulnerable. I don’t need people like you dictating what I can and can’t do. Stop scaremongering, you are not the police or the government. You do what you want and let’s others do what they want. 
    Nobody has died from COVID?
    How on earth have you got that from my post.

    "I will not die from this".
    Again, where did I say nobody has died from COVID? 


    I questioned your ridiculous comment that you will "not die from this".  I did not say you had said nobody has died.
    It is nice to know that you will not be dying from COVID.
    Again, I will not die from Covid. Not sure why this clearly rattles you so much, stop bet wetting and let others get on with their life. Enjoy sheltering at home. 
    When masks became compulsory a chap in his 40’s came into the supermarket without one. When approached by a staff member he let rip with his views that this was all nonsense etc.

    I found out Tuesday that his funeral is today. Died from COVID.

    😂
    There's little comfort in #darwinwasright

    Cos there's no way of counting the collateral damage this pestilent halfwit wrought in the minimum fortnight he was contagious before this highly dangerous and wholly indiscriminate virus added him to the statistics.
    His local NHS trust should remit an invoice to his estate for the resources wasted on trying to save him.

    We're "free" to be as cavalier as we like with our own safety - right up to the point it even tangentially impacts anybody else in any way.  Our individual freedoms do not come at cost to others.  We are directly accountable to any and all consequences, however unintentional or unforeseen.
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,308
    Hearing that Charlton sorting the final bit outs with the Met Police atm, and looks very certain we will have a crowd in place for Franchise game next Wednesday. Loyalty points system will be used.
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,015
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Loyalty points system will be used.
    Thats what I thought it would be and mentioned this earlier in the thread, it didnt go down well!
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,016
    A fair chance I'll get a seat at the MKD game

    I've no worries about the game itself, more concerned about getting there. Will probably drive, though that will be a pain before the match
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,308
    killerandflash said:
    A fair chance I'll get a seat at the MKD game

    I've no worries about the game itself, more concerned about getting there. Will probably drive, though that will be a pain before the match
    I do wonder whether we will see future evening matches switching back to 7:45PM, when supporters are allowed in the ground.

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  • Greenhithe
    Greenhithe Posts: 810
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    killerandflash said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
    Top of the league Dartford travel to Eastbourne on 5th December. How are club who sales tickets on the door going to stop anyone from travelling and arriving on the gates. One of those when you wont see colours at the matches.
    Quite a few of us going to that. Can’t wait. Come on you Darts. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,768
    CAFCTrev said:
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Loyalty points system will be used.
    Thats what I thought it would be and mentioned this earlier in the thread, it didnt go down well!
    But surely kids with season tickets will never have enough points....
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,015
    Think Im gonna pop down to Welling v Chippenham in a couple weeks as its on my doorstep. Hopefully a few more London based Addicks could head there too. 
  • CAFCTrev
    CAFCTrev Posts: 6,015
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    CAFCTrev said:
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Loyalty points system will be used.
    Thats what I thought it would be and mentioned this earlier in the thread, it didnt go down well!
    But surely kids with season tickets will never have enough points....
    Thats the thing, I likened it to how away games are restricted but as ppl pointed out a season ticket is different, you should be able to go to every game. 
  • Awks
    Awks Posts: 22
    Home games are the new away games
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Maidstone United to limit capacity at 1,255 as and when fans are allowed back.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,227
    Greenhithe said:
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    killerandflash said:
    Arsenetatters said:
    Does this mean that clubs in Kent, Ebbsfleet, Dartford etc will be allowed to play as normal but still no spectators?
    I assume so, seeing that they played on through the second lockdown

    A bit of a disadvantage for Kent clubs, as their home games will be behind closed doors, whereas their away games will have up to 2000 home fans there
    Top of the league Dartford travel to Eastbourne on 5th December. How are club who sales tickets on the door going to stop anyone from travelling and arriving on the gates. One of those when you wont see colours at the matches.
    Quite a few of us going to that. Can’t wait. Come on you Darts. 
    Make sure you know the capacity allowed in.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,803
    Kent being in tier 3 mainly because of the convicts on Swale. Thanks guys......
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,803
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Hearing that Charlton sorting the final bit outs with the Met Police atm, and looks very certain we will have a crowd in place for Franchise game next Wednesday. Loyalty points system will be used.
    When does lockdown officially end and the tier system start ?? Is it midnight of the 1st or midnight of the 2nd as surely this dictates who can go. 
  • BalladMan
    BalladMan Posts: 1,146
    Confirmed here (although the Sun, so you might have to believe me rather than click on it) that fans can return from Wednesday: https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/13271436/football-fans-stadiums-december-2-rules-relaxed/

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