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ST holders unable to attend to retain CAFC Cash / Ballot details for Wimbledon & Bristol Rovers p6
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Hope you are right I was taking my info from the below articleclive said:
With the covid rate going down in 31 of the 32 London boroughs that appears to be very unlikely.MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/12/04/london-tier-3-could-the-capital-change-tiers-as-covid-cases-rise-13702323/amp/
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Give it 3 weeks Cliveclive said:
With the covid rate going down in 31 of the 32 London boroughs that appears to be very unlikely.MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.1 -
A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.3 -
MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.Ignore, just seen the link reply above.0 -
It was a strange decision by the club to abandon the ballot rotation system so quickly, but it still looks as though there will be tickets remaining after the deadline passes on Monday, it must very frustrating for season ticket holders who attend most matches home & away to see season ticket holders not taking up the offer of tickets.
It will be interesting to see if other clubs are having the same issues & how they are resolving them maybe @MillwallFan or @Big_Bad_World can tell us how their clubs ballot/ticket system is working.2 -
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.
3. Id bet £10 that the Wimbledon game makes it to non season ticket holders again
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This is the problem until the take up of tickets is much higher by successful people in the ballots the club can argue that any season ticket holder [except tier 3] who wanted to attend could if they really wanted to.shine166 said:
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.0 -
Many more performances like Wednesday and we'd end up below 6thse9addick said:
Gotta be careful, many more performances like Wednesday and a stunning playoff final victory will be our route!ForeverAddickted said:
Why? - Season will be over by then and Bowyer / Gallen will be preparing for next season in the Championship?se9addick said:
I hope Kent manages to sort itself out and moves out of Tier 2, but not before 29/05/21!!ME14addick said:
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.1 -
But they’ve come to that conclusion after one game, which was a Wednesday evening at short notice.clive said:
This is the problem until the take up of tickets is much higher by successful people in the ballots the club can argue that any season ticket holder [except tier 3] who wanted to attend could if they really wanted to.shine166 said:
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.
Rotation is fair.
There is probably around 3000 season ticket holders in tier 2? So that would likely mean that 1000 selected for the MK game would have also been selected for the Wimbledon game.Perhaps a rotation every 2 games is the fairest way and then a fresh ballot that way everyone has an equal opportunity to attend both midweek and weekend games.2 -
Once you've been once you realise it's not much fun at all.clive said:
This is the problem until the take up of tickets is much higher by successful people in the ballots the club can argue that any season ticket holder [except tier 3] who wanted to attend could if they really wanted to.shine166 said:
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.
More a duty to the club and your own mental health.
The toilets are the obvious "danger point" for catching Covid but the absurd rules that force people spend more than four hours in the ground rather than two make it more difficult to stay safe.
Still, I'll be going whenever I can. But I don't think there will be a great repeat take - up.
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In terms of groups that is the decision the group would have to decide, is there group one where they all HAVE to go and if ne does not then so bet it, or are they a group where its not that important where one missing makes no difference to the others attendance. Depending on this they either enter the ballot as an induvial or a groupAFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.1 -
Anyone watching the Reading game. All the fans seem to be sat together in one stand with little or no social distancing....plus when they scored lots didn't have masks round their chops. Not sure of the rules there.
I know one or two at this match, some I will be working with next week...3 -
@cliveclive said:It was a strange decision by the club to abandon the ballot rotation system so quickly, but it still looks as though there will be tickets remaining after the deadline passes on Monday, it must very frustrating for season ticket holders who attend most matches home & away to see season ticket holders not taking up the offer of tickets.
It will be interesting to see if other clubs are having the same issues & how they are resolving them maybe @MillwallFan or @Big_Bad_World can tell us how their clubs ballot/ticket system is working.
All info is here. Have only skim read it myself as have no intention of going back until I can do so with friends. I can wait.
Having less ST holders means we have fewer disappointed in not being able to go. Also, the whole meeting of friends and general match day experience not being available will also put some off, meaning even less numbers missing out on the additional 500 tickets available to the second pool.
https://www.millwallfc.co.uk/news/2020/november/millwall-confirm-season-ticket-holder-attendance-plans/
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Had noticed that and has got me thinking if doing that at The Valley would help the atmosphere.Chippycafc said:Anyone watching the Reading game. All the fans seem to be sat together in one stand with little or no social distancing....plus when they scored lots didn't have masks round their chops. Not sure of the rules there.
2000 in the East Stand should be easy enough to do?1 -
Maybe me using the term bubble in this context is causing the confusion but I'm talking about people who want to sit in the ground nearest (not next to) people who they know. How they get to the ground and what they do inside the ground is to stay within the social distancing guidelines we all have to follow in the rest of our lives.Rob7Lee said:The club would have to be careful re the group idea (Qu 2.) as other than Support & Childcare bubble rules you can't socialise with anyone from outside your household (so I believe) in Tier 2. This is probably why they would only link those with the same address.
I suspect when they took the info back in August that was under the old, old rules.2 -
I missed out on the Wimbledon ballot after getting a ticket for MK Dons and while i'm disappointed at the prospect of spending another Saturday afternoon at home watching the game on TV when I already work from home all week I completely understand that I can't expect to go to all the games and will be trying my hardest come Monday to secure a ticket if i'm lucky.
I can't see how they can't create a MS Excel spreadsheet of all season ticket holders, what postcode they're in and with that which tier they're in, and which games they've attended so far. All it takes is a bit of data manipulation and you can easily rotate it so fans who went to the MK Dons game would then go to the bottom of the pile while ST holders who didn't / couldn't get first dibs.
It's not that complex at all to do if you know how to use MS Excel and i'd happily create something for the club if I had access to the data so we don't have fans missing out on both the games as appears to be the case in this thread.5 -
Agree, i'd even build it for them, drop down boxes for opt outs, links for groups etc. If I knew the fields they'd download it'd take a few hours tops.MartinCAFC said:I missed out on the Wimbledon ballot after getting a ticket for MK Dons and while i'm disappointed at the prospect of spending another Saturday afternoon at home watching the game on TV when I already work from home all week I completely understand that I can't expect to go to all the games and will be trying my hardest come Monday to secure a ticket if i'm lucky.
I can't see how they can't create a MS Excel spreadsheet of all season ticket holders, what postcode they're in and with that which tier they're in, and which games they've attended so far. All it takes is a bit of data manipulation and you can easily rotate it so fans who went to the MK Dons game would then go to the bottom of the pile while ST holders who didn't / couldn't get first dibs.
It's not that complex at all to do if you know how to use MS Excel and i'd happily create something for the club if I had access to the data so we don't have fans missing out on both the games as appears to be the case in this thread.
One thing I did think, I wonder what system they use to actually send the emails, would need to upload it afterwards to that to send the 2k emails.3 -
Do you normally get e mails from the club?meldrew66 said:
Well, I am yet to receive a single email from the club regarding my success or failure in either of the MKD orWimbledon ballots. This is despite me writing to the ticket office and them confirming that I AM definitely in the ballot. I think someone is telling me a porky pie!raytreacy69 said:
Spot on JeanFanny Fanackapan said:
Have you really thought this out ? ????J BLOCK said:I don't understand the displeasure. Any ST who wanted to have gone on Wednesday could have gone right? Due to them opening the ballot after we didn't sell out.
You are basically saying that those not successful in the first ballot for last Weds and again not successful again for next Saturday ( like me & my family) are basically 2nd class season ticket holders , and as such won't get first dibs on the seats they'd prefer...How is that a fair process when we ALL paid our money up front before we were "saved" by TS.
Why should I be happy in saying "Never mind. I'll probably pick up 5 when the dregs are left at the beginning of next week" ? AND this will be more difficult with less still on offer bearing in mind more fans will want to attend a Saturday match.
THIS new rule was not included in the original info we all received/saw on the OS when the process was announced.
THIS is due, apparently, to fan feedback from the successful ones who could not attend the MKDons game due to lack of childcare or work problems....and who will be in the ballot this time alongside those who were at The Valley on Weds and will likely be there again next Sat ! How can that be a fair and transparent policy ?
So, as it stands, my 5 will be "in the hat" as I prefer to call it, for the Tuesday evening game v Bristol Rovers ...another evening match where children accompanying us will still be at school and will be very late home post match .....but STILL may not be "lucky" ! In fact, there may well be fans who fail to attend ANY home games under the restrictions , all season if they are incredibly unfortunate. How can that be value to any degree for purchasing a season ticket, especially during those very uncertain times last summer ?
Another pertinent point is that if we have 4,000+ season ticket holders, and 2,000 finally attended the last match, then with 2,000+ non attenders , and a huge number of them residing in tier 3 ( esp Kent) there would inevitably been enough for all those eligible to attend 1 of the first 2 home games under the restrictions. THIS was surely how the system was intended to run !
I also note that there was nothing on the successful emails received regarding the new rule re no further rotation....so unless successful s. tkt holders looked at the OS, they would be oblivious of this amendment......
I cannot begin to express how I'm feeling at this moment. After all the plaudits given to our club recently ( and rightly so on the whole) this is totally unacceptable, disrespectful and unworkable. In fact I cannot believe how this was agreed by anyone from the club's SMT ! I am seething and am shaking so badly , I can barely type this.
I have emailed CAST to ensure that they are aware of this issue and I know they will respond accordingly.
I trust that those who know me are confident that this is NOT just for me & my group but for ALL fans, especially those with current season tickets and indeed those hoping to be able to purchase soon. I feel as though I have been kicked in the teeth ...something I kind of expected when KM was around but NOT in these halcyon days.
I was not successful in first ballot for MK but managed to get a ticket in next phase
I thought stupidly I would get a ticket in the ballot for Wimbledon - but received email to say I hadnt
The club has got difficult decisions to make here.
Would love to know what fans suggested doing a random ballot for every game - as someone has said that in theory that some Season T Holders will go to all games whilst some would go to none
That just cant be right or fair
I recall under RD some supporters telling the club not to contact them.
Some sort of opt out.
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It looked like Luton & Carlisle were similar midweek.Chippycafc said:Anyone watching the Reading game. All the fans seem to be sat together in one stand with little or no social distancing....plus when they scored lots didn't have masks round their chops. Not sure of the rules there.
I know one or two at this match, some I will be working with next week...
Standing together at Carlisle & many without masks.1 -
Indeed...just spoke to a mate at work who had a ticket for today, but couldn't go, he passed it on to his son who is there no problem. Plus they have the refreshment stalls open on the concourse.Belv said:
Had noticed that and has got me thinking if doing that at The Valley would help the atmosphere.Chippycafc said:Anyone watching the Reading game. All the fans seem to be sat together in one stand with little or no social distancing....plus when they scored lots didn't have masks round their chops. Not sure of the rules there.
2000 in the East Stand should be easy enough to do?1 -
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This was Shrewsbury the other night and I presume the same todayCovered End said:
It looked like Luton & Carlisle were similar midweek.Chippycafc said:Anyone watching the Reading game. All the fans seem to be sat together in one stand with little or no social distancing....plus when they scored lots didn't have masks round their chops. Not sure of the rules there.
I know one or two at this match, some I will be working with next week...
Standing together at Carlisle & many without masks.
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All the lottery options become unworkable once you want groups together. It would be much easier if they put all the ST holders into 3 or 4 blocks, gave people a few days to move around to line up with family members, and then rotated the booking priority each game - 1,2,3 then 2,3,1, 3,1,2. That means everyone gets a shot at tickets until they are all gone. Any left over go on sale based on points.You know what games you’ll be in the priority groups and can plan accordingly.1
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Delusions of grandeuraddick1956 said:
We bought tickets to the value of a million quid. Bowyer said they could not afford footballs days before Thomas appeared.Valleysarr said:Happy to say successful in both ballots!!
Don’t get when people bought their season ticket in a pandemic with scum owners they suddenly want to pick and choose their games??
maybe they always did and why there are so many empty seats on Sell Out games
That money probably helped save the club.
Then you wouldn't have had ballot to be in would you..these people also went through thick and thi whereas you maybe didn't.
I think you should thank us and stop crowing over good fortune solely down to us because if we all took upour seats you would not get a look in.0 -
Rumours from where?MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.0 -
Decision on the tiers is made in 10 days time though, not 3 weeks.clb74 said:
Give it 3 weeks Cliveclive said:
With the covid rate going down in 31 of the 32 London boroughs that appears to be very unlikely.MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.
Unless he's on about January onwards0 -
I'm on about once weve had the Christmas get together the rates will be going upCroydon said:
Decision on the tiers is made in 10 days time though, not 3 weeks.clb74 said:
Give it 3 weeks Cliveclive said:
With the covid rate going down in 31 of the 32 London boroughs that appears to be very unlikely.MStuartPerm said:
Rumours are London is likely to be moved to tier 3. That will be it for trips to the Valley.ME14addick said: it
Very unlikely that Kent will move into Tier 2, when cases are still on the rise in many areas of the county.se9addick said:
I think for the Wimbledon they should have stuck to what they said they would do - anyone not drawn in the ballot for MK would be prioritised. To change that (seemingly without warning) is really poor.AFKABartram said:No idea how I’ve managed to upset you Fanny, I agree with you that the process is wrong and I went out of my way to think of practical suggestions of how you can all go and sit together.Having announced what the priority aspect would effectively be for the Wimbledon game when they announced the MKD one, they shouldn’t have changed that to negatively impact those not drawn out first in the MKD ballot, which you and Mr F are an example of. That was my point.
@Rob7Lee says above, the social bubble of six was set up when the gov guidelines were different, and personally, though it would very much benefit me and my group, I’m not convinced it would be fair for everyone with just 2,000 tickets if people were able to take six tickets across multiple households if one of their bubble got picked in the draw.@JohnnyH2 suggestion is worth consideration, but if a collated entry of ‘one’ per social bubble was put in the draw, they would be drawn less frequently and if anyone within that group of six who was unable to make that particular game they’d have to wait even longer for the next opportunity.
as said, it’s not perfect and can be improved. I’m not sure what that is though that remains fair to everyone.No commitments had been made on what would come after that and I think that the best way would have been to simply make the tickets available to all ST holders on a first come first served basis. Whilst Kent remains in Tier 3 I actually think 2,000 tickets will be broadly sufficient.
If Kent moves to Tier 2 whilst we still have a 2,000 capacity cap then we might need to rethink, possibly leveraging the loyalty points system, but cross that bridge and all that.
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3 only happens because half the ST holders are in tier 3 !! Which makes your point 2 redundant !!!!shine166 said:
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.
3. Id bet £10 that the Wimbledon game makes it to non season ticket holders again
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Ah so its the clubs fault they are in teir 3 ?golfaddick said:
3 only happens because half the ST holders are in tier 3 !! Which makes your point 2 redundant !!!!shine166 said:
1. People that attended on Wednesday, would by default probably get stuck with midweek games for the foreseeable future, which you could also argue is unfairBlucher said:A bizarre decision by the club to abandon ballot rotation - particularly after announcing it - and very unfair on season ticket holders who are set to miss both games. I can't understand the rationale for this - if it's just to simplify the process of selection, that is not a justification for leaving a significant number of season ticket holders without a ticket.
Hopefully the club will listen to feedback from supporters and the Trust and that a good number of those who want to attend get a chance to do so in the second round.
2. No ST holder missed game 1 through anything other than choice.
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Ticket money is released game by game, not pre season so that they had footballs for training.addick1956 said:
Don't be a dick... it us obvious. Even you should be able to work that out. But then again, perhaps not.shine166 said:
Delusions of grandeuraddick1956 said:
We bought tickets to the value of a million quid. Bowyer said they could not afford footballs days before Thomas appeared.Valleysarr said:Happy to say successful in both ballots!!
Don’t get when people bought their season ticket in a pandemic with scum owners they suddenly want to pick and choose their games??
maybe they always did and why there are so many empty seats on Sell Out games
That money probably helped save the club.
Then you wouldn't have had ballot to be in would you..these people also went through thick and thi whereas you maybe didn't.
I think you should thank us and stop crowing over good fortune solely down to us because if we all took upour seats you would not get a look in.
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The game by game release only occurs on season tickets purchased by credit cardshine166 said:
Ticket money is released game by game, not pre season so that they had footballs for training.addick1956 said:
Don't be a dick... it us obvious. Even you should be able to work that out. But then again, perhaps not.shine166 said:
Delusions of grandeuraddick1956 said:
We bought tickets to the value of a million quid. Bowyer said they could not afford footballs days before Thomas appeared.Valleysarr said:Happy to say successful in both ballots!!
Don’t get when people bought their season ticket in a pandemic with scum owners they suddenly want to pick and choose their games??
maybe they always did and why there are so many empty seats on Sell Out games
That money probably helped save the club.
Then you wouldn't have had ballot to be in would you..these people also went through thick and thi whereas you maybe didn't.
I think you should thank us and stop crowing over good fortune solely down to us because if we all took upour seats you would not get a look in.2
