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  • eaststandmike
    eaststandmike Posts: 14,956
    Brighton_Addick said:
    Lee put himself under pressure with the team selection tonight - looked odd then didn’t work. 

    Dropping (... resting?!) Millar with DJ ready to come in on Sat looked wrong from the start. 

    Desperate for Innis back. 
    DJ & Smith have played all season for Swindon so fitness was not an issue, baffling how they did not play especially based on the Swindon fans comments. 
  • agim
    agim Posts: 1,135
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    eaststandmike said:
    Brighton_Addick said:
    Lee put himself under pressure with the team selection tonight - looked odd then didn’t work. 

    Dropping (... resting?!) Millar with DJ ready to come in on Sat looked wrong from the start. 

    Desperate for Innis back. 
    DJ & Smith have played all season for Swindon so fitness was not an issue, baffling how they did not play especially based on the Swindon fans comments. 
    DJ wasn't registered in time. Smith should have started.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,316
    eaststandmike said:
    Brighton_Addick said:
    Lee put himself under pressure with the team selection tonight - looked odd then didn’t work. 

    Dropping (... resting?!) Millar with DJ ready to come in on Sat looked wrong from the start. 

    Desperate for Innis back. 
    DJ & Smith have played all season for Swindon so fitness was not an issue, baffling how they did not play especially based on the Swindon fans comments. 
    DJ not allowed to play this one
  • roseandcrown
    roseandcrown Posts: 7,587
    edited February 2021
    Bolderhumphreyreid said:
    roseandcrown said:
    se9addick said:
    Bowyer won’t be sacked this season, certainly not now, would be crazy to make that decision the day after the transfer window closes.

    Not saying I agree with it, but that’s how I see it. 
    Agree give him to the end of the season and review then. 


    Why wait for the inevitable? I really don’t get this attitude.

    The excuses are drying up now.

    I’m sure Bowyer said after the Rochdale debacle that that would never happen with a Pratley or a Watson on the pitch.

    The players are so scared to not show they’re weak after the public shaming of Albie, Williams and Maddison that they’ve forgotten how to play football. The amount of stupid fouls we gave away tonight was horrendous.

    I’m incredibly thankful for everything he’s done for the club over the past few years but we need to get out of this league and we’re not going to do it with him in charge.
     I’m just a little uneasy with getting rid without giving a chance after the window. 

    I am one of the first people to call for stability and patience something which is lacking in football now days, the club has been run short term for so long I wanna give a bit more time. 

    I understand i might be in a minority now and I certainly am critical of team selection, tactics and chopping around this season but prepared to give the benefit of a bit more time. 

    Mistakes have been made no denying that, all managers make mistakes I just want to give the opportunity to learn from them and fix it otherwise you could be changing managers so often which I am not a fan off. 

    Bowyer has done some very good things as manager I don’t necessarily wanna give up on him the first bad patch. 



  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    eaststandmike said:
    Brighton_Addick said:
    Lee put himself under pressure with the team selection tonight - looked odd then didn’t work. 

    Dropping (... resting?!) Millar with DJ ready to come in on Sat looked wrong from the start. 

    Desperate for Innis back. 
    DJ & Smith have played all season for Swindon so fitness was not an issue, baffling how they did not play especially based on the Swindon fans comments. 

    DJ wasn’t signed in time.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Can anyone offer any justification as to why Millar was relegated to the bench? 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    AddickUpNorth said:
    Can anyone offer any justification as to why Millar was relegated to the bench? 
    Bowyer said he had tight hammies after the last game and can't do Saturday-Tuesday every week... Or something similar...ignoring it's been Tuesday-Tuesday this week.
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  • Covered_End_Lad
    Covered_End_Lad Posts: 5,725
    My main issue is that I don’t see any clear system, style or tactic in the way we play. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what style of football we play. Constant tinkering of first 11 and formation just creates really messy and incoherent performances.
  • AddickUpNorth
    AddickUpNorth Posts: 8,325
    Dazzler21 said:
    AddickUpNorth said:
    Can anyone offer any justification as to why Millar was relegated to the bench? 
    Bowyer said he had tight hammies after the last game and can't do Saturday-Tuesday every week... Or something similar...ignoring it's been Tuesday-Tuesday this week.

    How many other teams have consistently had so many players who can only play one game on, one off? It’s fucking ridiculous.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    eaststandmike said:
    Brighton_Addick said:
    Lee put himself under pressure with the team selection tonight - looked odd then didn’t work. 

    Dropping (... resting?!) Millar with DJ ready to come in on Sat looked wrong from the start. 

    Desperate for Innis back. 
    DJ & Smith have played all season for Swindon so fitness was not an issue, baffling how they did not play especially based on the Swindon fans comments. 
    DJ wasn’t signed in time has to be by midday the day before I think.
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    ForeverAddickted said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
    I don't think he was especially good when you look at the players he had. We've been pretty crap since the end of the Championship season and this season his constant tinkering doesn't suggest he knows what he is doing.

    If I was TS I wouldn't build the club's future on him.
  • agim
    agim Posts: 1,135
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was you saying that two years ago or even at the start of this season? He's not a shit manager we are just having a shit season. Is he to blame? Of course but he's also let down by the players almost every week. Time is needed 
  • FishCostaFortune
    FishCostaFortune Posts: 10,773
    edited February 2021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
    Look at the level the majority of that squad is playing at now. You could probably argue that we should have done better then go up in the play offs with that squad. 

    Its a thing that irks me when people try and compare this squad to that one, like it's some glowing endorsement that Bows got the best out of a rag tag bunch (just like the Accrington manager is doing now actually) when let's be honest that squad was far to good for league one. 
  • hudson-son-son
    hudson-son-son Posts: 2,645
    ForeverAddickted said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
    It's probably a point for a different thread rather than judging him now, but I have wondered recently whether our promotion looks less impressive over time, not going up automatically with a team which had the talent of Aribo, Cullen, Bielek, Taylor, Grant with what they have done since... Obviously could also say he got the best out of them to improve, which is valid too.
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    Would have made the decision after the Rochdale game. Think it would have been the time to make the decision. However, didn’t happen and I respect TS decision for sticking with Bowyer. Would be shocked if Bowyer didn’t last the season.

    Robbo went 4 wins in 19 before resigning in 2018. Bowyer is now 4 wins in 17. 
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,450
    agim said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was you saying that two years ago or even at the start of this season? He's not a shit manager we are just having a shit season. Is he to blame? Of course but he's also let down by the players almost every week. Time is needed 
    I've never thought he was a particularly good manager.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    My main issue is that I don’t see any clear system, style or tactic in the way we play. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what style of football we play. Constant tinkering of first 11 and formation just creates really messy and incoherent performances.
    Nail on the head. He doesn’t know what his best team is or what his best formation is. The amount of half time substitutions we have made this season is a joke.  I would honestly rather we stick with something for a few weeks and get some kind of consistency (I’m a positive way). Also the body language from Bowyer and Jackson is a joke. They just look lost.  It’s not like Bowyer has no managerial experience either. He makes the sort of mistakes that you would expect from somebody a few games in to the job to do. 

    We just look totally disjointed. 
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Would have made the decision after the Rochdale game. Think it would have been the time to make the decision. However, didn’t happen and I respect TS decision for sticking with Bowyer. Would be shocked if Bowyer didn’t last the season.

    Robbo went 4 wins in 19 before resigning in 2018. Bowyer is now 4 wins in 17. 
    Powell had two wins in 19... Although that wasnt his team so not surprising he struggled
  • Dave Rudd
    Dave Rudd Posts: 2,865
    ForeverAddickted said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
    I once ran a Marathon in less than three hours.

    Could I do it now?  No.

    Your point?

    PS It's 'mediocre'.
  • agim
    agim Posts: 1,135
    FishCostaFortune said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
    agim said:
    Stick with him. We've had too many managers over the last 10 years and the club needs stability. It looks like we have it with TS so let's back him and build something. THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. We had our best periods under Curbs after giving him time.
    No point sticking with a mediocre manager.
    Was Bowyer a mediorce manager when we went up two years ago?
    Look at the level the majority of that squad is playing at now. You could probably argue that we should have done better then go up with the play offs with that squad. 

    Its a thing that irks me when people try and compare this squad to that one, like it's some glowing endorsement that Bows got the best out of a rag tag bunch (just like the Accrington manager is doing now actually). 
    No team is entitled to get promoted but that season we assembled a good team and went up. This year it hasn't worked out. Managers get things wrong. I believe to be successful the club needs to get some of our old culture back. He needs to rip this squad up and start again in my opinion and he probably knows that himself 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,729
    edited February 2021
    ForeverAddickted said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Its potentially an interesting discussion for another thread

    But is it a sign of how Technology has changed since 1992 what with the introduction of Internet Forums etc.

    My point is in 1991/92 we finished 7th under Curbs and Gritt

    The following year we had a period were we got 14-points from seventeen games, ended up 12th in the League

    This season we're going through a period of 18-points from seventeen games

    Should Curbs and Gritt have gone?
    Curbs and Gritt were in the Championship and building. Gritt did end up going! Not sure what your point is there.
    Well not really as we went backwards in those two years, that wouldnt be acceptable from fans now, it really wouldnt

    Parkinson got sacked because we finished 4th and were then sitting 4th the following year

    Bowyer is in League One and building

    Unfortunately for Lee he's just come off the back of a Championship relegation where he was betrayed by owners and players

    As for Gritt, he didnt leave for another two seasons
    Bowyer has come off a relegation where negativity in the final games cost us the one point we needed to stay up. Yes, he got us up but lets put it this way. I don't know Bowyer personally, what I know is how he sets up his team and what players say about him and playing for him. And indeed what he says himself.

    Now I defy anybody to say the Bowyer we have seen from January last year to now is the same person we saw before that. Of course people might say, don't be stupid, of course he was the same person. I would say Bowyer as a player was a mixture of sublime and a total knob. It was reasonable to assume he had matured out of the latter, but we are seeing he hasn't.

    We can blame the players for being shit all we like, but he dug out three players publicly that have all gone. Two to higher placed clubs. I know for a fact that players at the club were/are unhappy of his treatment of those players. That contributes to bad confidence along with poor results. I think he has lost it and the signs were there a while back and I call them when I see them. None of this hoping they go away nonsense!
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    ForeverAddickted said:
    SouthWest_Addicks said:
    Would have made the decision after the Rochdale game. Think it would have been the time to make the decision. However, didn’t happen and I respect TS decision for sticking with Bowyer. Would be shocked if Bowyer didn’t last the season.

    Robbo went 4 wins in 19 before resigning in 2018. Bowyer is now 4 wins in 17. 
    Powell had two wins in 19... Although that wasnt his team so not surprising he struggled
    Powell hit the ground running next season so it was forgotten about by September. Question is what happens if we don’t hit the ground running next season under Bowyer? Would be starting the season under huge pressure if we complete collapse until the end of the season and finish 11th etc. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,561
    esseffect said:
    Bolderhumphreyreid said:
    esseffect said:
    Hahahahhaha you guys gave it a week!
    We know he’s your love child but you can’t defend it any more surely?
    I just think give him until the end of the season. 

    On the post-match thread I called what I thought were mistakes.

    He even said tonight the squad is good enough so if they don’t make play offs that’s a lot of pressure on him.

    I think the squads good enough but there are still some individual errors.

    I’m disappointed he didn’t call out Watson for not clearing the ball, but people here don’t want him calling players out so..
    He don’t call out senior pros.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,344
    23 wins from 72 games.

    Also known as worse than Karl Robinson's record with us 27 in 74.
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    To be this far into a season and our players play like strangers it is really not a good endorsement for the way Lee is going about things. We have three sections of a team, defence, midfield and attackers, and none of them are cohesive as individual units,so how the hell are we going to see a cohesive team. Far too much tinkering for far too long, I do wonder if the two cb’s had stayed fit whether he would of still cocked about with them!!!. I’m so frustrated at the moment because I’m not thinking like some in believing that our players aren’t very good, maybe a bit confused!!.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Covered_End_Lad said:
    My main issue is that I don’t see any clear system, style or tactic in the way we play. I genuinely couldn’t tell you what style of football we play. Constant tinkering of first 11 and formation just creates really messy and incoherent performances.
    Any benefit Bowyer thinks we're getting by tweaking the team and formation almost every game is lost by the negatives it brings.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    edited February 2021
    Dazzler21 said:
    23 wins from 72 games.

    Also known as worse than Karl Robinson's record with us 27 in 74.
    To be fair Bowyer's run of games has been Championship - League One

    Robinson's was League One - League One
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