The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league, lower their pay... all in order to manage us in L1 because we think we have "ambition." Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league to manage us in L1. Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
Money talks though Napa, I should have told you to have a tin hat handy after your first post and feel a bit guilty 😉.
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league, lower their pay... all in order to manage us in L1 because we think we have "ambition." Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
What on earth are you talking about? When did I say we would be poaching a manager from the Premier League?
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
...but at least they wont have been left behind. They'll be in the front, a dwindling band, leading nowhere.
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
Please don’t be an arse. None of us will be smiling I would hope. We are all Charlton supporters first and foremost. I won’t feel silly, but I will feel sad. None of us know the future or what would have been. I remember the Curbishley out campaign. ‘He has taken us as far as he can’, ‘it is time to hand the baton over’, ‘he lacks the vision’, ‘we should be pushing for Europe’. Fans like me we’re ridiculed and mocked for our support for him, but the mob got him. Not many still alive apparently. History is important. It is why our museum is important. We can learn from the past and be careful what we wish for. Bowyer has always been honest. You may not like how honest, but respect it. Fans are making judgments on things that they have no real knowledge about. We do not know about players knocks, their private family issues, their mental states.
What I know is that Bowyer has made changes to players and tactics in games that I can understand and I accept he makes those because he wants to win. He is not stupid. He also understands the club, wants to succeed and is passionate for us to succeed. I don’t think that we as a club should underestimate the need for stability either. This is not the time for change in my opinion. Losing is frustrating. The strong get up and go again. That should be us.
We are also getting stronger. I watch young Morgan and rejoice at his yellow for pulling back a player - he would have been in on the back four with runners. Sound decision. Chewing him out has made him better. Surely he is developing as the best box to box midfielder we have had in a long long time (that is our actually our player). We are bringing in players that will improve us. The attitude is good, players are putting their bodies on the line, we just need the rub of the green.
I sincerely hope you and I are smiling and saying you were wrong this time next year, as we will all be in a better place.
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
Please don’t be an arse. None of us will be smiling I would hope. We are all Charlton supporters first and foremost. I won’t feel silly, but I will feel sad. None of us know the future or what would have been. I remember the Curbishley out campaign. ‘He has taken us as far as he can’, ‘it is time to hand the baton over’, ‘he lacks the vision’, ‘we should be pushing for Europe’. Fans like me we’re ridiculed and mocked for our support for him, but the mob got him. Not many still alive apparently. History is important. It is why our museum is important. We can learn from the past and be careful what we wish for. Bowyer has always been honest. You may not like how honest, but respect it. Fans are making judgments on things that they have no real knowledge about. We do not know about players knocks, their private family issues, their mental states.
What I know is that Bowyer has made changes to players and tactics in games that I can understand and I accept he makes those because he wants to win. He is not stupid. He also understands the club, wants to succeed and is passionate for us to succeed. I don’t think that we as a club should underestimate the need for stability either. This is not the time for change in my opinion. Losing is frustrating. The strong get up and go again. That should be us.
We are also getting stronger. I watch young Morgan and rejoice at his yellow for pulling back a player - he would have been in on the back four with runners. Sound decision. Chewing him out has made him better. Surely he is developing as the best box to box midfielder we have had in a long long time (that is our actually our player). We are bringing in players that will improve us. The attitude is good, players are putting their bodies on the line, we just need the rub of the green.
I sincerely hope you and I are smiling and saying you were wrong this time next year, as we will all be in a better place.
Read, what I said before you start throwing your childish slurs. I said if the bowyer sceptics and outright outers are proven wrong, by Bowyer proving to be the right man. WE WILL be happy and smiling, despite having to eat humble pie.. So your none of us comment is incorrect. So please read it properly before becoming offensive.
As for Curbs, it’s the same deal really, people will only laud his fantastic achievements, with our club and surely he was a legend. However, he was not perfect, the annual down tools at 40 points annoyed a lot of people. The annual failure to compete in the cup competitions. Then in the season we did, he took a side to Middlesbrough that clearly was not trying to win. These and other issues were his demise. People felt that he had set himself up as more important than the club. His departure, which I did not want to see by the way, showed that he wasn’t.
I think Lee Bowyer should be given time. Things are improving. 4 or 5 games ago I would have said he was losing the plot because of his obsession with defense but that has changed now. Our performances have been significantly better the last few games. But, I would say he does have his limitations on how he sets us up from the start. Yesterday was a classic example where again our defence was like a sieve and it took until the half to correct it. He did it this time by changing the formation and bringing on Shinnie who played a very good 2nd half. But the fact is that this has been an occurrence over the past few games and is a concern. Hopefully having Shinnie back is the answer to this particular problem but we can't keep giving away early goals.
I would say if that continues then I would start to question if Bowyer has really lost the plot but at the moment I'm confident that we're slowly getting there and I wouldn't be surprised to see us going on another winning run. However, if he continues to tinker I would seriously question his judgment. Let's see how it goes.
We've got 14 points from the last 13 games in what has been a relatively easy run of fixtures - our season has been derailed by injuries to our two first choice CBs which doesn't say much for the squad or the manager's strategy.
We need to get near 80 points to make the playoffs which would mean roughly averaging two points a game for the rest of the season. Seems unlikely.
In fairness, not many managers/squads would do very well losing BOTH first choice CBs for such extended periods at once.
Bowyer's made mistakes for sure but that kind of luck has derailed bigger and better squads than ours before.
Is it a mistake or bad luck to base your entire season long strategy on 2 players that have played more than 20 games in a season once between them?
Then not address the situation at the earliest opportunity?
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league to manage us in L1. Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
Money talks though Napa, I should have told you to have a tin hat handy after your first post and feel a bit guilty 😉.
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league to manage us in L1. Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
Money talks though Napa, I should have told you to have a tin hat handy after your first post and feel a bit guilty 😉.
The main reason I don't wanna lose Bowyer is that he is a known
commodity. And there are no good managers available I see as any better
than him.
Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen
times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want
someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers
who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We
were a club within a few days of Administration during the last
transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three
players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we
are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the
table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite
fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a
relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a
salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I
believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate
the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some
slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most
clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
When you say “available” do you mean managers that are currently unemployed? Why would that be the limit of our ambition?
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league to manage us in L1. Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
Money talks though Napa, I should have told you to have a tin hat handy after your first post and feel a bit guilty 😉.
I do not buy all this ''he only had three weeks to build a team'' Yes he didn't have much time but he has had time to work with the players he acquired. Even with D.O and J.P that is an experienced defense at league one level. The players do not look like they really want to play for Bowyer at the moment at least until the last five minutes of games when we have a chance to get level. It is really odd to watch and I cant myself understand what is going on behind the scenes but something isn't right. Our injury problems are nothing like last season. We have players there and a strong bench every game at the moment
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
Please don’t be an arse. None of us will be smiling I would hope. We are all Charlton supporters first and foremost. I won’t feel silly, but I will feel sad. None of us know the future or what would have been. I remember the Curbishley out campaign. ‘He has taken us as far as he can’, ‘it is time to hand the baton over’, ‘he lacks the vision’, ‘we should be pushing for Europe’. Fans like me we’re ridiculed and mocked for our support for him, but the mob got him. Not many still alive apparently. History is important. It is why our museum is important. We can learn from the past and be careful what we wish for. Bowyer has always been honest. You may not like how honest, but respect it. Fans are making judgments on things that they have no real knowledge about. We do not know about players knocks, their private family issues, their mental states.
What I know is that Bowyer has made changes to players and tactics in games that I can understand and I accept he makes those because he wants to win. He is not stupid. He also understands the club, wants to succeed and is passionate for us to succeed. I don’t think that we as a club should underestimate the need for stability either. This is not the time for change in my opinion. Losing is frustrating. The strong get up and go again. That should be us.
We are also getting stronger. I watch young Morgan and rejoice at his yellow for pulling back a player - he would have been in on the back four with runners. Sound decision. Chewing him out has made him better. Surely he is developing as the best box to box midfielder we have had in a long long time (that is our actually our player). We are bringing in players that will improve us. The attitude is good, players are putting their bodies on the line, we just need the rub of the green.
I sincerely hope you and I are smiling and saying you were wrong this time next year, as we will all be in a better place.
Read, what I said before you start throwing your childish slurs. I said if the bowyer sceptics and outright outers are proven wrong, by Bowyer proving to be the right man. WE WILL be happy and smiling, despite having to eat humble pie.. So your none of us comment is incorrect. So please read it properly before becoming offensive.
As for Curbs, it’s the same deal really, people will only laud his fantastic achievements, with our club and surely he was a legend. However, he was not perfect, the annual down tools at 40 points annoyed a lot of people. The annual failure to compete in the cup competitions. Then in the season we did, he took a side to Middlesbrough that clearly was not trying to win. These and other issues were his demise. People felt that he had set himself up as more important than the club. His departure, which I did not want to see by the way, showed that he wasn’t.
Calm down. Silly arse? It was what my teachers said to us when I was at school. We never had a hissy fit. It just means I think you are wrong.
Your comments about Curbishley tell me everything I need to know. You are entitled to your opinion. All I would say is that it was crap then and is now. Goodnight.
We have the best manager for us in place. Move on or get left behind.
If the Bowyer loyalists are proven right, those who are not convinced, to the blatant out brigade, can all smile and say glad we were proven wrong. Unfortunately if at this stage next season we are going nowhere with an even worse squad and even worse results (despite that being quite difficult), you loyalists are going to feel very silly and very sad.
Please don’t be an arse. None of us will be smiling I would hope. We are all Charlton supporters first and foremost. I won’t feel silly, but I will feel sad. None of us know the future or what would have been. I remember the Curbishley out campaign. ‘He has taken us as far as he can’, ‘it is time to hand the baton over’, ‘he lacks the vision’, ‘we should be pushing for Europe’. Fans like me we’re ridiculed and mocked for our support for him, but the mob got him. Not many still alive apparently. History is important. It is why our museum is important. We can learn from the past and be careful what we wish for. Bowyer has always been honest. You may not like how honest, but respect it. Fans are making judgments on things that they have no real knowledge about. We do not know about players knocks, their private family issues, their mental states.
What I know is that Bowyer has made changes to players and tactics in games that I can understand and I accept he makes those because he wants to win. He is not stupid. He also understands the club, wants to succeed and is passionate for us to succeed. I don’t think that we as a club should underestimate the need for stability either. This is not the time for change in my opinion. Losing is frustrating. The strong get up and go again. That should be us.
We are also getting stronger. I watch young Morgan and rejoice at his yellow for pulling back a player - he would have been in on the back four with runners. Sound decision. Chewing him out has made him better. Surely he is developing as the best box to box midfielder we have had in a long long time (that is our actually our player). We are bringing in players that will improve us. The attitude is good, players are putting their bodies on the line, we just need the rub of the green.
I sincerely hope you and I are smiling and saying you were wrong this time next year, as we will all be in a better place.
Curbishley taking us to regular mid table finishes in the Premier League can't be compared to Bowyer taking 15 points from the last 14 matches in the 3rd division.
Curbs was competing against the likes of Everton, Fulham and West Ham in the midtable regions, whereas on PPG we are currently below Accrington and Lincoln, and just ahead of Crewe.
Does this mean that I want Bowyer out, probably no. However I'm certainly not ruling out that a change of manager might be needed.
For the record I never wanted Curbishley out and said it was the end of us completely and that once down, top flight football will be a long long time in returning , he was a miracle worker .
Bowyer is not fit to tie his boot laces and after over achieving in his first 2 years as manager he has Under achieved since the turn of last year we have been shite . Yes circumstances have been horrendous on occasion but 15 points from 14 games against the dross we have played is shameful . If he stays or goes I’m not bothered , I very much doubt any sensible recruit would do worse than what’s going on atm
and there has been unrest within the camp , I doubt it’s a revolt but I have heard it and so have others , hopefully these issues have been sorted but there’s no smoke without fire .
results are what it’s all about they should turn up but if we don’t make the play offs with this squad that is failure for me .
For the record I never wanted Curbishley out and said it was the end of us completely and that once down, top flight football will be a long long time in returning , he was a miracle worker .
Bowyer is not fit to tie his boot laces and after over achieving in his first 2 years as manager he has Under achieved since the turn of last year we have been shite . Yes circumstances have been horrendous on occasion but 15 points from 14 games against the dross we have played is shameful . If he stays or goes I’m not bothered , I very much doubt any sensible recruit would do worse than what’s going on atm
and there has been unrest within the camp , I doubt it’s a revolt but I have heard it and so have others , hopefully these issues have been sorted but there’s no smoke without fire .
results are what it’s all about they should turn up but if we don’t make the play offs with this squad that is failure for me .
Just to get this clear. You expected us to get in the playoffs at the start of the season?
Or did you think we would make the playoffs after TS took over?
For the record I never wanted Curbishley out and said it was the end of us completely and that once down, top flight football will be a long long time in returning , he was a miracle worker .
Bowyer is not fit to tie his boot laces and after over achieving in his first 2 years as manager he has Under achieved since the turn of last year we have been shite . Yes circumstances have been horrendous on occasion but 15 points from 14 games against the dross we have played is shameful . If he stays or goes I’m not bothered , I very much doubt any sensible recruit would do worse than what’s going on atm
and there has been unrest within the camp , I doubt it’s a revolt but I have heard it and so have others , hopefully these issues have been sorted but there’s no smoke without fire .
results are what it’s all about they should turn up but if we don’t make the play offs with this squad that is failure for me .
Just to get this clear. You expected us to get in the playoffs at the start of the season?
Or did you think we would make the playoffs after TS took over?
Please explain how you reach those conclusions.
Is this a serious question ?
Just to make it clear we improved as a squad after TS took over , hope that helps .
Thomas was keen to acquire us before the season , if he hadn’t and the squad stayed as it was for the first game , the play offs would have been a miracle but the likelihood of him taking over was more likely than not at some point before the window shut and the positive vibes he gave off made me believe we wouldn’t go with what we had but there’d be recruitment done . Once we were acquired by TS and the squad took shape , to me yes we should make the play offs and the more I saw of this division the more convinced I was that we had enough to be genuine challengers in it . I believe our squad is more than good enough to make the play offs .
“On paper Charlton enjoyed one of their better attacking performances of the season against Swindon, creating chances that totalled 3.0xG while Swindon managed a total of just 0.6xG.
Expected goals (xG) is used to measure the number of goals a team should score based on the quality of chances they create. And based on their opportunities generated, there was no way Charlton should have been battling for a draw on Saturday.”
This is a good example of why - as a legitimate statistic - xG is nonsense.
For the record I never wanted Curbishley out and said it was the end of us completely and that once down, top flight football will be a long long time in returning , he was a miracle worker .
Bowyer is not fit to tie his boot laces and after over achieving in his first 2 years as manager he has Under achieved since the turn of last year we have been shite . Yes circumstances have been horrendous on occasion but 15 points from 14 games against the dross we have played is shameful . If he stays or goes I’m not bothered , I very much doubt any sensible recruit would do worse than what’s going on atm
and there has been unrest within the camp , I doubt it’s a revolt but I have heard it and so have others , hopefully these issues have been sorted but there’s no smoke without fire .
results are what it’s all about they should turn up but if we don’t make the play offs with this squad that is failure for me .
Just to get this clear. You expected us to get in the playoffs at the start of the season?
Or did you think we would make the playoffs after TS took over?
Please explain how you reach those conclusions.
Is this a serious question ?
Just to make it clear we improved as a squad after TS took over , hope that helps .
Thomas was keen to acquire us before the season , if he hadn’t and the squad stayed as it was for the first game , the play offs would have been a miracle but the likelihood of him taking over was more likely than not at some point before the window shut and the positive vibes he gave off made me believe we wouldn’t go with what we had but there’d be recruitment done . Once we were acquired by TS and the squad took shape , to me yes we should make the play offs and the more I saw of this division the more convinced I was that we had enough to be genuine challengers in it . I believe our squad is more than good enough to make the play offs .
Thank you. It explains why we will never agree. At the start of the season I thought we had a very good chance of being relegated. After TS arrived I thought the additions to the squad made that unlikely and was hoping that if we managed to stay mid table, more players recruited in January could give us an outside chance of the playoffs.
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Who is available who has not been sacked half a dozen times (or more) for poor managing in the past and why would we want someone who has failed so many times? Also, if these supposed managers who would replace Bowyer are so good.... why are the available now?
We were a club within a few days of Administration during the last transfer window, with a transfer ban as well. We lost our best three players after relegation (Cullen, Taylor, Phillips) and yet right now we are the highest scoring team in League One and still top half of the table with talent I find of very mid-table quality.
I am quite fine with a mid-table finish this year. Or even just avoiding a relegation fight. We have a new owner, there is still (I believe) a salary cap and Covid is making life hard on all clubs below the PL.
I believe those angry we are not getting out this year need to appreciate the fact we still even exist right now and cut the whole club some slack, get perspective and realize we are in a better place than most clubs at the moment. Maybe a little gratitude is in order.
I think of ambition as a long-term vision, not a short-term one. I consider ditching Bowyer at this stage to be a sign of desperation and short-term thinking, not ambition.
As for poaching a manager from a club in a higher league, no PL manager is coming down here. Get real. They make millions per year. Eddie Howe ain't coming. Which leaves existing Championship managers. I seriously doubt a quality Championship manager is going to leave their current club and drop a league, lower their pay... all in order to manage us in L1 because we think we have "ambition." Managers want to move up their hierarchy, not down.
Amos
Gunter - Pearce ----Oshilaja - Maatsen
Watson
Shinnie ------Forster-Caskey
Maddison
Aneke ---------Washington
Subs: Maynard-Brewer, Pratley, Matthews, Purrington, Williams, Gilbey, Morgan, Bogle
You'd say we should easily be pushing automatic promotion. That's ignoring the January signings and other players like the CBs out injured + Smyth.
I won’t feel silly, but I will feel sad. None of us know the future or what would have been.
I remember the Curbishley out campaign. ‘He has taken us as far as he can’, ‘it is time to hand the baton over’, ‘he lacks the vision’, ‘we should be pushing for Europe’. Fans like me we’re ridiculed and mocked for our support for him, but the mob got him. Not many still alive apparently.
History is important. It is why our museum is important. We can learn from the past and be careful what we wish for. Bowyer has always been honest. You may not like how honest, but respect it. Fans are making judgments on things that they have no real knowledge about. We do not know about players knocks, their private family issues, their mental states.
Then not address the situation at the earliest opportunity?
Your comments about Curbishley tell me everything I need to know. You are entitled to your opinion. All I would say is that it was crap then and is now. Goodnight.
Curbs was competing against the likes of Everton, Fulham and West Ham in the midtable regions, whereas on PPG we are currently below Accrington and Lincoln, and just ahead of Crewe.
Does this mean that I want Bowyer out, probably no. However I'm certainly not ruling out that a change of manager might be needed.
Bowyer is not fit to tie his boot laces and after over achieving in his first 2 years as manager he has Under achieved since the turn of last year we have been shite .
Yes circumstances have been horrendous on occasion but 15 points from 14 games against the dross we have played is shameful .
If he stays or goes I’m not bothered , I very much doubt any sensible recruit would do worse than what’s going on atm
and there has been unrest within the camp , I doubt it’s a revolt but I have heard it and so have others , hopefully these issues have been sorted but there’s no smoke without fire .
results are what it’s all about they should turn up but if we don’t make the play offs with this squad that is failure for me .
Please explain how you reach those conclusions.
Once we were acquired by TS and the squad took shape , to me yes we should make the play offs and the more I saw of this division the more convinced I was that we had enough to be genuine challengers in it .
I believe our squad is more than good enough to make the play offs .
Expected goals (xG) is used to measure the number of goals a team should score based on the quality of chances they create. And based on their opportunities generated, there was no way Charlton should have been battling for a draw on Saturday.”
This is a good example of why - as a legitimate statistic - xG is nonsense.