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Has Bowyer lost it?

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  • If our signing plan had emulated Lincoln's, our fan base would have hit the roof. Many would have been calling TS potless. The fact they have been so successful is both lucky and clever. If the plan hadn't worked, they've not overspent, if it works they go up with no financial worries and start in championship with a bucket of cash to spend. 
  • Squad isn’t good enough. Simple as that.
    Look at Lincoln City.  Do you think individually their squad is stronger?  The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team.  He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.  
    I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager.
    Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season.
    In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.

    Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.

    They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
  • Squad isn’t good enough. Simple as that.
    Look at Lincoln City.  Do you think individually their squad is stronger?  The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team.  He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.  
    Are they average? I expect they have at least a few stand out players who will be impressing at a higher level in the next few years. Many of our better players in our promotion sides went on to do exactly that.

    We've got a lot of older players in this squad and not many younger players who I could see going on to do that. Morgan, Famewo, Maatsen, Millar, Smith (too early to tell), maybe Inniss.

    Thinking about it it feels as though Bowyer and Gallen focused too much on experience and the majority of our squad are players past their peak. They're all different but between them they don't quite have the hunger, pace, sharpness or fitness to give us that edge in games.

    Jaiyesimi is a good start and I hope we focus on building a younger squad for the long term in the summer.
  • If our signing plan had emulated Lincoln's, our fan base would have hit the roof. Many would have been calling TS potless. The fact they have been so successful is both lucky and clever. If the plan hadn't worked, they've not overspent, if it works they go up with no financial worries and start in championship with a bucket of cash to spend. 
    Lucky? Seriously?
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  • Redrobo said:
    Squad isn’t good enough. Simple as that.
    Look at Lincoln City.  Do you think individually their squad is stronger?  The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team.  He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.  
    I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager.
    Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season.
    In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.

    Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.

    They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
    Didn't they completely change there whole squad in the 2020 transfer windows.  About 15-20 in and out and a massive reduction in average age. 
  • Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

  • Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
  • Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
  • edited February 2021
    Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game

    You only need to take a look at how better Albie has gotten at defending - Granted last night he wasnt great but then thats going to happen occasionally, its all part of a players development
  • Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
    Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism 
  • edited February 2021
    Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
    Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism 
    To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit

    As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?

    Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it

    He doesn't go away and sulk
  • Redrobo said:
    Squad isn’t good enough. Simple as that.
    Look at Lincoln City.  Do you think individually their squad is stronger?  The difference is that their manager has average individuals playing together as a strong team.  He has sold them on the idea and they have belief.  
    I collected a lot of lol’s for suggesting they would be in the top six at the end of the season, and yes, I think their squad was stronger than ours. Maybe still is. It would be wrong IMO to assume that little old Lincoln are punching above their weight or a bit lucky with their manager.
    Cowley Bros took over at the end of 2015/16 season.
    In 2016/17 they beat Ipswich, Oldham and Brighton to go into the 5th round of the FA cup, and then beat Burnley to get into the quarter finals as a non league club! 2017/18 they won the EFL Cup at Wembley. 2018/19 promotion to League 1.

    Lincoln is a well run club, and one that has been well run for several years. One based on stability, good planning, and good signings. Steadily built over several years. They have a committed squad of players because of that. They are not lucky. They have worked hard.

    They are light years away from where we are. We should be learning from them, but you carry on.
    Well thanks for the permission.

    You just rephrased the point I was making.

    I'm not saying Lincoln got a bit lucky with their manager. I'm saying that their manager is doing what a manager should be doing. He is making the team as a whole perform better than its constituent parts.

    "We should be learning from them". Exactly. But "we" aren't.
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  • If we fail this season, 100% Bowyer won’t be here next season. I think that’s a given.  
  • edited February 2021
    Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
    Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism 
    To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit

    As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?

    Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it

    He doesn't go away and sulk
    Did Williams go away and silk? Did he get treated fairly? Am I wrong about fosu and Maddison?
  • If we fail this season, 100% Bowyer won’t be here next season. I think that’s a given.  

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    Define failure. I never expected anything from this season.
  • edited February 2021
    Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
    Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism 
    To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit

    As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?

    Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it

    He doesn't go away and sulk
    Did Williams go away and sulk? Did he get treated fairly? Am I wrong about fosu and Maddison?
    No Williams got on with it himself, dont recall him being called out again after Shrewsbury because he got on with the task, and like Morgan learnt from his mistake

    Nor can I confirm / deny what went wrong with Fosu

    Maddison on the other hand... Well I've already said I cant repeat what I've been told

    But then I wasnt arguing about those three in my original reply was I... I was calling you out for including Morgan
  • Scoham said:
    Bowyer has always treated certain players badly. Fosu for example, that went under the radar because we were winning!

    Even the top managers don't get the most out of every player - is getting the best out of every player a realistic expectation? Sometimes players move on, learn from it and come back stronger.
    It’s a certain type of player that bowyer can’t seem to manage and criticises, fosu, Maddison, Williams, Morgan. All players that can create and add something different in the final third
    Can you add Morgan to that list? - Could argue that Morgan is actually responding to Bowyer's comments and is raising his game
    Yes, he is a flair player that received criticism from bowyer. Players like Pearce and Watson who have very little flair, seem to escape criticism 
    To say Bowyer cant manage him though is bullshit

    As for players like Pearce who he has been picking out after Accrington and Peterborough you mean?

    Like I just said, you can argue that Bowyer's criticism of Morgan works because he responds to it

    He doesn't go away and sulk
    Did Williams go away and sulk? Did he get treated fairly? Am I wrong about fosu and Maddison?
    No Williams got on with it himself, dont recall him being called out again after Shrewsbury because he got on with the task, and like Morgan learnt from his mistake

    Nor can I confirm / deny what went wrong with Fosu

    Maddison on the other hand... Well I've already said I cant repeat what I've been told
    But that’s the point.

    bowyer called him out and shouldn’t ldnt have. Bowyer called out Morgan and shouldn’t have. Despite fosu being one of our top players under Robinson, bowyer got rid. Look at fosu now. Despite Maddison’s impressive league 1 states, bowyer wouldn’t play him but plays pratley and Watson every week.

    the common denominator here is bowyer. He has lost it, he is negative, he is stubborn, he gets rid of flair players, he drops match winners all the time

    he is very lucky to still have a job.
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