Post-match Thread: Charlton v Gillingham | 13th Feb 2021

Chunes said:

golfaddick said:

Dazzler21 said:

If JFC was injured why was he not replaced by Smith?

Bowyer making a point that Smith wasn't his choice perhaps  ?

I heard that the lizard people placed Smith in the side as a spy for the illumaniti

Jayajosh said:

cafc_se7 said:

Our fans are comical! Slate bowyer for tinkering and the poor fella can’t even do right when he sticks with the same line up! Ironically we lose JFC through not tinkering....

There was not a lot wrong with that performance as a whole today. A dreadful piece of defending from Deji cost us! Is Bowyer really to blame for that? Really?

You forgot to mention their third goal where their playmaker was given freedom to bring the ball thirty yards into our 18yd. That was catastrophic defending. Our first goal defending was nowhere near as bad as that third. Also Purrington got roasted again for their second which allowed the cross to come in. 

Chunes said:

Croydon said:

Jayajosh said:

cafc_se7 said:

Our fans are comical! Slate bowyer for tinkering and the poor fella can’t even do right when he sticks with the same line up! Ironically we lose JFC through not tinkering....

There was not a lot wrong with that performance as a whole today. A dreadful piece of defending from Deji cost us! Is Bowyer really to blame for that? Really?

You forgot to mention their third goal where their playmaker was given freedom to bring the ball thirty yards into our 18yd. That was catastrophic defending. Our first goal defending was nowhere near as bad as that third. Also Purrington got roasted again for their second which allowed the cross to come in. 

Who coaches the players? Everybody's fault but Bowyer

Any reason you believe that's a coaching issue?  These are professional footballers playing in a near elite league, not sure they need to be coached to go to the ball ther

Croydon said:

Chunes said:

Croydon said:

Jayajosh said:

cafc_se7 said:

Our fans are comical! Slate bowyer for tinkering and the poor fella can’t even do right when he sticks with the same line up! Ironically we lose JFC through not tinkering....

There was not a lot wrong with that performance as a whole today. A dreadful piece of defending from Deji cost us! Is Bowyer really to blame for that? Really?

You forgot to mention their third goal where their playmaker was given freedom to bring the ball thirty yards into our 18yd. That was catastrophic defending. Our first goal defending was nowhere near as bad as that third. Also Purrington got roasted again for their second which allowed the cross to come in. 

Who coaches the players? Everybody's fault but Bowyer

Any reason you believe that's a coaching issue?  These are professional footballers playing in a near elite league, not sure they need to be coached to go to the ball there

Because it happens every week. Positional play and marking are all coaching issues 

EveshamAddick said:

PragueAddick said:

Everyone wanted Bowyer to stop “tinkering”:as they call it, and start the same 11 that won at Rochdale with a near perfect performance. So that is what he did. And how was he rewarded? 

Within * 20 seconds* of k.o. Oshi, who had a cracking game at Rochdale, provides an inch perfect knock down - for Rob Lee’s son in a blue shirt. A mistake that Oshi always looks like he has in him, which is why he is where he is. Then JFC, who had just started to run the game, goes down with the hammy they all knew about, but someone told Bow was ok to risk. Early game hamstrings are a sure sign something isnt right, thats what did for Watson couple of games back. How about all you Championship Managers ask some questions about that side of things, because you know, even Paul Cook can’t heal the sick. 

Is any of this Bowyer’s fault? . Is it his fault that we injure both our centre backs who keep 6 consec.clean sheets, in training? And that both of them are out for the top end of original estimates? And just who are the better centre backs we could have brought in for £500 a week, as that was all that was left under the ridiculous salary cap? And what would we have done with them if, as Bow had probably been promised, both Famewo and Inniss were back by today?

But yeah, Paul effing Cook. FFS. 

This.

Also - I manage staff. I ensure they are trained, know what to do, and know about policies and procedures. But sometimes they still get things wrong. And when they do, my manager isn’t looking to give me the elbow - we look at how we can work with the staff to eradicate their mistakes.

Last week, everyone was back in love with LB, he hadn’t lost the dressing room, we were going to make top 6, maybe top 2. This week, it’s “LB’s got to go...”

It’s a marathon not a sprint. We are one point off the play offs and only 6 off second place. Bow’s is right - for a team thrown together in the worst possible circumstances when it looked like the club might fold, to be in the top 6 most of the season so far, that is overachieving by any measure. And all credit to LB and JJ to be able to achieve what they have so far this season.

peterreeves said:

Lincsaddick said:

DOUCHER said:

blackpool72 said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

I think Bowyer will see out the season. I don't think he will be the manager at the start of next season 

That's how I see it.
And it's wrong. 
Bring in a new manager now so he can assess the squad. 
Don't leave it to the summer when he doesn't know what the squad is like 

agreed - another few weeks of this and i think LB will have managed his way out of a job and TS will be able to act knowing that he has the backing of the vast majority for such a decision

another few weeks ? .. if Bowyer survives for another few weeks after his total mismanagement of the team this season, he'll be here until April/May when we have failed to get anywhere near promotion .. we need a manager experienced in tactics and man management if we stand any chance of going up, and Bowyer is not that manager. However, I still feel that Sandy doesn't know enough or doesn't have the heart to sack him. Problem is another season in this division will be a disaster, no income, a player exodus and yet another term of rebuilding and hoping . Bowyer has lost it, he need to be replaced. 

This 110% Lincs and Gravesend.

I was looking for the words to generalise about the predicament TS is in but you've covered it.

Yes Thomas is clearly business savvy but footy.... No way...hence his dilema. 

I'm really concerned about not going up this season... There is literally nobody running away with it and with 18 games to go there is still time to change things. 

TS would be derilict in his duty as CEO if he let's these performances carry on. I swear that after 50 years of watching Charlton that there are fundamental issues in the dressing room and with tactics. 

LB love him or not is out of his depth big time and to be honest should be replaced asap.

TS Derelict in his duty, eh? It’s his club and his money. What’s 50 years of support got to do with the price of eggs I’ve got 65 so what. And the dressing room unrest has been dispelled hasn’t it now certain personnel have left? If not where’s your evidence on that? 

Tactics and team selections I grant you have been questionable at times and the slating of players in public not on but as I’ve said before and I’ll say it again ,TS has just backed LB in the transfer window and is unlikely to pull the trigger three games on. He’ll do it when he feels the time is ready. Keep thumping the tub as much as you like but the reality is fans will just have to suck it up meanwhile.

Chunes said:

Croydon said:

Jayajosh said:

cafc_se7 said:

Our fans are comical! Slate bowyer for tinkering and the poor fella can’t even do right when he sticks with the same line up! Ironically we lose JFC through not tinkering....

There was not a lot wrong with that performance as a whole today. A dreadful piece of defending from Deji cost us! Is Bowyer really to blame for that? Really?

You forgot to mention their third goal where their playmaker was given freedom to bring the ball thirty yards into our 18yd. That was catastrophic defending. Our first goal defending was nowhere near as bad as that third. Also Purrington got roasted again for their second which allowed the cross to come in. 

Who coaches the players? Everybody's fault but Bowyer

Any reason you believe that's a coaching issue?  These are professional footballers playing in a near elite league, not sure they need to be coached to go to the ball there

Leeds_Addick said:

Poor performance, thought Gillingham were one of the worst sides I’ve seen us play but we still didn’t deserve anything out of it.

Some of the defending is atrocious. What on earth is Purrington doing for their winner. Oshilaja and Pearce were bullied all game by Akinde. 

Can't see us getting play offs this year. Bowyer really needs to sort this defence out over Summer.

carly burn said:

So just who is the Sam Allardyce/ red Adair type who's going to swoop in and save our season?


Any worth their salt certainly won't be coming down to little old Charlton Athletic in league one.

AFKABartram said:

DOUCHER said:

haven't read this thread yet but 2 things today that further convince me that bowyer is lacking in the football manager department:

1) Playing Darren Pratley
2) Leaving Stockley on his own up top once down to 10 men in a must win game 

Having played the game, you really surprise me @do@DOUCHER

Pratley gives us a physical presence in the middle of the pitch. He covers yards, lots of them, he’s big and imposing, mixes it and also keeps possession. He gives 100% effort 100% of the time.  

If you think at times we are a bit powder puff as a team, imagine us on a frozen, poor quality pitch against a direct physical team without him. 

DOUCHER said:

AFKABartram said:

DOUCHER said:

haven't read this thread yet but 2 things today that further convince me that bowyer is lacking in the football manager department:

1) Playing Darren Pratley
2) Leaving Stockley on his own up top once down to 10 men in a must win game 

Having played the game, you really surprise me @do@DOUCHER

Pratley gives us a physical presence in the middle of the pitch. He covers yards, lots of them, he’s big and imposing, mixes it and also keeps possession. He gives 100% effort 100% of the time.  

If you think at times we are a bit powder puff as a team, imagine us on a frozen, poor quality pitch against a direct physical team without him. 

same reason i used to bang on about semedo - no room in any midfield for people who can't play - you can be a good tackler but still play - kinsella, cullen, parker - pratley kills the flow - i don't fault his commitment, work rate or attitude but he's not for me - yesterday should have seen smith or morgan in there, not pratley. We created chances but never hadd them under sustained pressure because pratley treats the ball like a hot potato. 

golfaddick said:

Dazzler21 said:

If JFC was injured why was he not replaced by Smith?

Bowyer making a point that Smith wasn't his choice perhaps  ?

EveshamAddick said:

peterreeves said:

Lincsaddick said:

DOUCHER said:

blackpool72 said:

Gravesend_Addick said:

I think Bowyer will see out the season. I don't think he will be the manager at the start of next season 

That's how I see it.
And it's wrong. 
Bring in a new manager now so he can assess the squad. 
Don't leave it to the summer when he doesn't know what the squad is like 

agreed - another few weeks of this and i think LB will have managed his way out of a job and TS will be able to act knowing that he has the backing of the vast majority for such a decision

another few weeks ? .. if Bowyer survives for another few weeks after his total mismanagement of the team this season, he'll be here until April/May when we have failed to get anywhere near promotion .. we need a manager experienced in tactics and man management if we stand any chance of going up, and Bowyer is not that manager. However, I still feel that Sandy doesn't know enough or doesn't have the heart to sack him. Problem is another season in this division will be a disaster, no income, a player exodus and yet another term of rebuilding and hoping . Bowyer has lost it, he need to be replaced. 

This 110% Lincs and Gravesend.

I was looking for the words to generalise about the predicament TS is in but you've covered it.

Yes Thomas is clearly business savvy but footy.... No way...hence his dilema. 

I'm really concerned about not going up this season... There is literally nobody running away with it and with 18 games to go there is still time to change things. 

TS would be derilict in his duty as CEO if he let's these performances carry on. I swear that after 50 years of watching Charlton that there are fundamental issues in the dressing room and with tactics. 

LB love him or not is out of his depth big time and to be honest should be replaced asap.

We are in League One not the Champions League or even the Championship. Most of LB’s managerial career has been conducted at League One level. 

In his first season in charge he took over Robinson’s failing side, and  turned things around in time to make the play offs. 

In his first full season he got us into the play offs again, winning promotion in the final at Wembley.

The next season saw him almost guide us to safety in the Championship, but for our top scorer going on strike, and Barnsley remarkably winning their final two games against Forest and Brentford with injury time goals. All of this against a backdrop of the mad Belgian and the ESI shysters, we went down by 1 point.

This season, we almost went bust in the early season, with stability only arriving at the end of September. Despite that, we’ve been in the play off places nearly all season, and now are only one point outside them, 6 points off top 2. There are still 54 points to play for.

Every season has required an almost total rebuild as we have lost talented players either because they were sold from under us or recalled by their home clubs during the season . Not to mention the injuries to key players.

So what does “out of his depth” actually mean?