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Has Bowyer lost it?
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21 points from 19 games v's teams with an average position of 14th so bottom half. Comparing us to Wigan. Calling out players publicly. Each to their own but I don't see there being any argument that says he has not lost it sadly.8
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I guess the difference is that when you play reasonably well but let in stupid goals due to individual errors, you can blame the individuals for the resultScoham said:That interview was the opposite of Bowyer a few months ago. Rather than anger, frustration and outbursts blaming players/fans/refs he sounds like he’s given up on this squad. That’s not good for him or the players. I don’t think TS is right when he said player for player we have one of the best squads in the league, but Bowyer seems to have gone to the other extreme and has no real expectations of the players. Some of things that made him a good manager in the past were his high expectations and the belief he gave the players. This squad isn’t what some think it is, but Robinson’s 17/18 squad made the play-offs, this squad should be able to do the same.
When the team performance is awful, it's difficult to deflect it away from the manager...you can't blame individuals, you can't blame the officials, you can't blame the opposition scoring worldies...1 -
We played well against them away from home apart from the four goals we let in.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
You wait until we lose to Burton on Tuesday nighthoof_it_up_to_benty said:
I genuinely think we can't get worse now ...Fortune 82nd Minute said:
Now that is one of the bravest statements I have ever seen on Charlton Life.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:On a positive note we can't get much worse.3 -
Did he really say that? Bloody ridiculous if so.MuttleyCAFC said:I don't know of any manager even at grass roots level I came up against (and including myself) who didn't understand that with wind like today, you press high and aim to go in 2 or 3 to the good.
Bowyer blamed the players for playing it long, but surely he has an input in how we play FFS! He needs to go now. A new face is the best chance on us going on a run.1 -
Powell and Robinson both finished 13th in league one(Neither managed the whole season). If we finish below that this season then it’s an absolute disaster.0
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We have been shit for about a year bar a 5-6 game period. We don’t have a game plan or style. I really want LB to do well but I just don’t think it’s going to happen. Sadly I can’t see TS sacking him either and he risks making himself look like he has blind faith.0
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Absolutely this.DamoNorthStand said:Please please for the love of god stop this mindless support behind a man who is totally without spirit, drive, passion, tactical nous and leadership. Everything you need to get a decent set of players playing.
Enough is enough. If the owner listens to fan opinion at all getting behind Bowyer could kill this club for a very long time. Too long in this league will have long term consequences.
Too many hide behind ‘just having a club. Well I don’t run my business just to exist and I don’t expect my football club to work in the same way.
Just stop this craziness now as it can’t carry on.
Should have gone in December, but I really fear for us if nothing is changed sharpish.
We're wasting valuable time.6 -
They looked like Brazil and played us off the park .hoof_it_up_to_benty said:You'd have to be pretty crap to lose to Burton. How did we do against them away?Funny how many teams we make look like world beaters .3 -
Lee seems to inspire our opponents - pity he can't do the same for us...Bedsaddick said:
They looked like Brazil and played us off the park .hoof_it_up_to_benty said:You'd have to be pretty crap to lose to Burton. How did we do against them away?Funny how many team we make look like world beaters .0 -
I honestly think finishing below 6th is pretty bad.SouthWest_Addicks said:Powell and Robinson both finished 13th in league one(Neither managed the whole season). If we finish below that this season then it’s an absolute disaster.7 - Sponsored links:
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I will never understand this mentality. Ever.Arsenetatters said:Stick with him until the end of the season and then review it. It's good to be talking about the football rather than which con has taken us over. When you compare what was going on this time last year I'd take how it is now all day long. What we need is stability now. Get behind him.
Because it's better off the pitch, we should accept it being worse on it? Weird.9 -
Got to be it now I think, can accept the play offs are gone but the players are at least supposed to look like they're still fighting to get there. Bowyer clearly doesn't believe it's possible and it's showing on the pitch. No idea whether a new manager would get more out of this current squad but there's not much lost I doubt by trying.
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It would be some achievement to find a manager who could get less out of this squad.MattF said:Got to be it now I think, can accept the play offs are gone but the players are at least supposed to look like they're still fighting to get there. Bowyer clearly doesn't believe it's possible and it's showing on the pitch. No idea whether a new manager would get more out of this current squad but there's not much lost I doubt by trying.5 -
I actually don't think TS will sack him, so he's guilty of blind loyalty and stubbornness too!!Gravesend_Addick said:Anyone who still thinks Bowyer is the man to take the club forward is doing so out of blind loyalty and stubbornness.
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That's what they said when Parkinson was sacked in 2011!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It would be some achievement to find a manager who could get less out of this squad.MattF said:Got to be it now I think, can accept the play offs are gone but the players are at least supposed to look like they're still fighting to get there. Bowyer clearly doesn't believe it's possible and it's showing on the pitch. No idea whether a new manager would get more out of this current squad but there's not much lost I doubt by trying.1 -
I’d be very surprised if Lee’s position hadn’t been discussed behind the scenes with TS and the Chief Executive. Even more so after today .Gravesend_Addick said:
I actually don't think TS will sack him, so he's guilty of blind loyalty and stubbornness too!!Gravesend_Addick said:Anyone who still thinks Bowyer is the man to take the club forward is doing so out of blind loyalty and stubbornness.
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Parkinson had a far worse squad.Callumcafc said:
That's what they said when Parkinson was sacked in 2011!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It would be some achievement to find a manager who could get less out of this squad.MattF said:Got to be it now I think, can accept the play offs are gone but the players are at least supposed to look like they're still fighting to get there. Bowyer clearly doesn't believe it's possible and it's showing on the pitch. No idea whether a new manager would get more out of this current squad but there's not much lost I doubt by trying.2 -
I think it puts it in perspective.Croydon said:
I will never understand this mentality. Ever.Arsenetatters said:Stick with him until the end of the season and then review it. It's good to be talking about the football rather than which con has taken us over. When you compare what was going on this time last year I'd take how it is now all day long. What we need is stability now. Get behind him.
Because it's better off the pitch, we should accept it being worse on it? Weird.Bow and Gallen are building a team. No point in sacking him before he’s had time to work with the new players. The time to review it is the end of the season.2 -
How many times are we going to read.... we need to win the next or........?? So tedious watching and reading excuses to cover up the obvious!!. Fu***ing custard is gonna be out of date by the time I get to use it!!!😤😤😂1
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Bowyer looks a beaten man . Not sure he can motivate these underachievers . Can't see TS sacking him though .0
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Trust me, the loyalty of successful businessmen who see their money being pi**ed down the toilet only extends for so long.Gravesend_Addick said:
I actually don't think TS will sack him, so he's guilty of blind loyalty and stubbornness too!!Gravesend_Addick said:Anyone who still thinks Bowyer is the man to take the club forward is doing so out of blind loyalty and stubbornness.
Enough is enough
I speak from long experience of seeing this scenario in real life.0 -
I thought TS was the Chief Executive?Bedsaddick said:
I’d be very surprised if Lee’s position hadn’t been discussed behind the scenes with TS and the Chief Executive. Even more so after today .Gravesend_Addick said:
I actually don't think TS will sack him, so he's guilty of blind loyalty and stubbornness too!!Gravesend_Addick said:Anyone who still thinks Bowyer is the man to take the club forward is doing so out of blind loyalty and stubbornness.
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Hindsight is 20/20. Plenty of people at the time thought that squad was good enough to be challenging for promotion. I suspect we will look at this bunch in much the same way in ten years time.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Parkinson had a far worse squad.Callumcafc said:
That's what they said when Parkinson was sacked in 2011!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It would be some achievement to find a manager who could get less out of this squad.MattF said:Got to be it now I think, can accept the play offs are gone but the players are at least supposed to look like they're still fighting to get there. Bowyer clearly doesn't believe it's possible and it's showing on the pitch. No idea whether a new manager would get more out of this current squad but there's not much lost I doubt by trying.
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If we're willing to accept this season is a write off, then we can stick with him. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest he's going to turn it around, so we'll finish mid table and be sacked in the summer.Arsenetatters said:
I think it puts it in perspective.Croydon said:
I will never understand this mentality. Ever.Arsenetatters said:Stick with him until the end of the season and then review it. It's good to be talking about the football rather than which con has taken us over. When you compare what was going on this time last year I'd take how it is now all day long. What we need is stability now. Get behind him.
Because it's better off the pitch, we should accept it being worse on it? Weird.Bow and Gallen are building a team. No point in sacking him before he’s had time to work with the new players. The time to review it is the end of the season.
If we want to have any chanfe it playoffs this season, he simply has to go. He's had time with the players, and we're getting worse each week.2 -
We've been dire for months, clueless on tactics and Bowyer seems to have lost it. There are no signs of improvement and it increasingly seems everyone has given up.Arsenetatters said:
I think it puts it in perspective.Croydon said:
I will never understand this mentality. Ever.Arsenetatters said:Stick with him until the end of the season and then review it. It's good to be talking about the football rather than which con has taken us over. When you compare what was going on this time last year I'd take how it is now all day long. What we need is stability now. Get behind him.
Because it's better off the pitch, we should accept it being worse on it? Weird.Bow and Gallen are building a team. No point in sacking him before he’s had time to work with the new players. The time to review it is the end of the season.
I used to get annoyed or upset if we played badly or lost but now I just expect it. We're one of the worst sides in L1 at present and have been poor since the end of November.
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We’ve been losing since November 2019.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
We've been dire for months, clueless on tactics and Bowyer seems to have lost it. There are no signs of improvement and it increasingly seems everyone has given up.Arsenetatters said:
I think it puts it in perspective.Croydon said:
I will never understand this mentality. Ever.Arsenetatters said:Stick with him until the end of the season and then review it. It's good to be talking about the football rather than which con has taken us over. When you compare what was going on this time last year I'd take how it is now all day long. What we need is stability now. Get behind him.
Because it's better off the pitch, we should accept it being worse on it? Weird.Bow and Gallen are building a team. No point in sacking him before he’s had time to work with the new players. The time to review it is the end of the season.
I used to get annoyed or upset if we played badly or lost but now I just expect it. We're one of the worst sides in L1 at present and have been poor since the end of November.
Enough is enough, I won’t be tuning in until he goes, the football is beyond dreadful.2 -
What I will say is that niggly matches like the one today surely can’t have changes many minds. There are plenty of teams who would’ve gone to Fleetwood today in those conditions and struggled to dominate the game.
If you were Bowyer out before, you didn’t see enough to be swayed. If you were in the wait and see camp, you’re likely to look at the point gained in the playing conditions and think “ok take it and move on”.
Our away results have been good of late (MK, Rochdale, Bristol R). The results we need to address are at home. Big questions will be asked if we don’t beat Burton in midweek I suspect.8 -
Technical Director then . Ged RoddyArsenetatters said:
I thought TS was the Chief Executive?Bedsaddick said:
I’d be very surprised if Lee’s position hadn’t been discussed behind the scenes with TS and the Chief Executive. Even more so after today .Gravesend_Addick said:
I actually don't think TS will sack him, so he's guilty of blind loyalty and stubbornness too!!Gravesend_Addick said:Anyone who still thinks Bowyer is the man to take the club forward is doing so out of blind loyalty and stubbornness.
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I suspect that Sandgaard may be listening to the wrong people. I can't see Bowyer reverting to the sort of manager he was and am wondering whether there are health issues. He was positive, now he is depressive. Sorry but the negativity he exudes is not going to give the players any confidence whatsoever.
What may annoy all those that harp on about loyalty was the lack of loyalty Chelsea showed to Lampard. As a result of that disgusting lack of loyalty which is sadly all to common in football, they look like they may have turned their season around. It is disgusting!1 -
Last week it was “we’re unlucky because we were playing Gillingham, world renowned purveyors of worldy goals”, this week it’s “we’re unlucky because it was a bit windy”.Callumcafc said:What I will say is that niggly matches like the one today surely can’t have changes many minds. There are plenty of teams who would’ve gone to Fleetwood today in those conditions and struggled to dominate the game.
If you were Bowyer out before, you didn’t see enough to be swayed. If you were in the wait and see camp, you’re likely to look at the point gained in the playing conditions and think “ok take it and move on”.
Our away results have been good of late (MK, Rochdale, Bristol R). The results we need to address are at home. Big questions will be asked if we don’t beat Burton in midweek I suspect.The excuses are becoming rather more desperate week on week.3
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