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Has Bowyer lost it?

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  • First big test for the owner.

    Personally, I’m very much Bowyer in, but ultimately the decision  within the next two weeks is either a big rebuild in the summer with Bowyer in charge or change manager and make a last push for promotion.

    Time will tell. 
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    Maybe Powell would be a good option in a temporary capacity. Extend if it goes well.
    I don't think he'd accept that as he seems happy where he is at the Spurs academy. Able to pass on his knowledge in a low pressure environment, with time for a bit of media work
  • First big test for the owner.

    Personally, I’m very much Bowyer in, but ultimately the decision  within the next two weeks is either a big rebuild in the summer with Bowyer in charge or change manager and make a last push for promotion.

    Time will tell. 
    I think promotion is gone for this year - but I would word it as get a manager in now so they can hit the ground running with the summer rebuild.

    Exactly what we did with Powell.
    Spot on.
  • I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.

    He will walk, and soon. 

    You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it. 

    I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going. 
  • If we'd got in earlier, Mick McCarthy might have been interested...
    I would have lol’d that a month ago!
  • cafctom said:
    I’d have Chris Powell back in a heartbeat. Now that’s a manager who can get talented players running through brick walls for them and bought into a unified vision. I also think he’d be the sort of bloke Sandgaard would get on well with. 

    I know things didn’t work out with Huddersfield/Southend, but I do believe that sometimes certain managers/clubs just fit together. 
    Would he fancy it though even if we wanted him?

    Current job he has is a pretty cushty one.
  • cafctom said:
    I’d have Chris Powell back in a heartbeat. Now that’s a manager who can get talented players running through brick walls for them and bought into a unified vision. I also think he’d be the sort of bloke Sandgaard would get on well with. 

    I know things didn’t work out with Huddersfield/Southend, but I do believe that sometimes certain managers/clubs just fit together. 
    Would he fancy it though even if we wanted him?

    Current job he has is a pretty cushty one.
    Under this regime he would be back in a heartbeat!
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  • If you were Bowyer out before, you didn’t see enough to be swayed. If you were in the wait and see camp, you’re likely to look at the point gained in the playing conditions and think “ok take it and move on”.
     We didn't gain a point today. We started at 0-0 if the game plays out that way you gain 1 point

    We took a 1-0 lead and still came away with a point. That is 2 points dropped for sure.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
    I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.

    He will walk, and soon. 

    You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it. 

    I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going. 
    What makes you convinced he’ll walk rather than wait to be sacked?

    Liked Williams but he’s replaceable and not someone we could ever build a team around. Will always be a squad player whatever level he’s at because he’ll never be fit enough to regularly start games.
  • Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.

    He will walk, and soon. 

    You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it. 

    I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going. 
    What makes you convinced he’ll walk rather than wait to be sacked?

    Liked Williams but he’s replaceable and not someone we could ever build a team around. Will always be a squad player whatever level he’s at because he’ll never be fit enough to regularly start games.
    Because I honestly thinks it dawned on him, over the last week or so, that he has lost this team.  I firmly believe that if he thinks he can't turn it around he will walk away, I mean that as a compliment as well. 
  • It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.

    We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.
    He's shown zero quality in the last few months.
  • I suspect that Sandgaard may be listening to the wrong people. I can't see Bowyer reverting to the sort of manager he was and am wondering whether there are health issues. He was positive, now he is depressive. Sorry but the negativity he exudes is not going to give the players any confidence whatsoever.

    What may annoy all those that harp on about loyalty was the lack of loyalty Chelsea showed to Lampard. As a result of that disgusting lack of loyalty which is sadly all to common in football, they look like they may have turned their season around. It is disgusting! 
    And look at what McCarthy is achieving at Cardiff.
  • It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.

    We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.
    So how is Bowyer learning from his mistakes, as we all do?
  • We've started 

    19 different defences, 26 midfields and 23 forward lines now. 

    Rochdale and Gillingham the only two consecutive 11s.
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  • I made quite clear that those wanting change six weeks or so ago were imo far too soon off the mark with it and there were factors that needed to be taken into consideration and were overwhelmingly pointing towards, stability, giving time, giving a chance for Bowyer to work through this period.

    But its getting harder and harder to maintain that stance and it feels heavy heart territory is potentially approaching quite quickly. 

    Cold facts are just 3 wins in 13, 13 points out of 36. That’s not good enough against anyone at our clubs expectations in L1, including Bowyer i’m sure.

    More importantly than the results, performances are just not picking up and the whole season has been a drought where it comes to ‘good performances’.

    Unless a miracle happens now I think it’s looking almost certain that Bowyer won’t be managing us next season. I suspect there’s all sorts of strategy and financial considerations on whether to enforce the change earlier or not, but further poor performances and result in the next few games may hasten it regardless. 


    Interesting to hear this view as it shows Bowyer is losing more support on a game by game basis. More will turn the longer it goes on, which is why I think he has to go now
  • "I think they played the conditions better than us. They created the odd chance here and there".

    The odd chance:  Fleetwood had 22 shots, 8 on target.  Charlton had 4, 1 on target.
  • I made quite clear that those wanting change six weeks or so ago were imo far too soon off the mark with it and there were factors that needed to be taken into consideration and were overwhelmingly pointing towards, stability, giving time, giving a chance for Bowyer to work through this period.

    But its getting harder and harder to maintain that stance and it feels heavy heart territory is potentially approaching quite quickly. 

    Cold facts are just 3 wins in 13, 13 points out of 36. That’s not good enough against anyone at our clubs expectations in L1, including Bowyer i’m sure.

    More importantly than the results, performances are just not picking up and the whole season has been a drought where it comes to ‘good performances’.

    Unless a miracle happens now I think it’s looking almost certain that Bowyer won’t be managing us next season. I suspect there’s all sorts of strategy and financial considerations on whether to enforce the change earlier or not, but further poor performances and result in the next few games may hasten it regardless. 


    It is sad to say but he really isn’t having a positive effect on the performances of the players. I just don’t know what’s going on with tactics and patterns of play. It’s not a good combination.I’m not keen on someone we call our own being given the elbow but not sure the answer is to give him more rope!!. When TS took over it was so positive but has fallen flat on the football side. Only bows and his team can have an influence on that and it’s not good!!.Obviously it’s not all doom and gloom as a club is concerned, thankfully.also I don’t think  the clubs status is a good enough reason to rest on our laurels either.
  • Cafc43v3r said:
     We’ve got Famewo back though, once Inniss has returned watch us sniff out that last play off place.
    I hope Inniss is fit for the Euros, he must be the best center back in the world by now. 

    He’s got magic beans in his boots.
  • Croydon said:
    It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.

    We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.
    He's shown zero quality in the last few months.
    But that falls on everyone’s shoulders not just Bowyer
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