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Has Bowyer lost it?
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Spot on.DamoNorthStand said:
I think promotion is gone for this year - but I would word it as get a manager in now so they can hit the ground running with the summer rebuild.SurvivaloftheFittest said:First big test for the owner.
Personally, I’m very much Bowyer in, but ultimately the decision within the next two weeks is either a big rebuild in the summer with Bowyer in charge or change manager and make a last push for promotion.
Time will tell.
Exactly what we did with Powell.3 -
It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.
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I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.
He will walk, and soon.
You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it.
I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going.0 -
I would have lol’d that a month ago!killerandflash said:If we'd got in earlier, Mick McCarthy might have been interested...0 -
Would he fancy it though even if we wanted him?cafctom said:I’d have Chris Powell back in a heartbeat. Now that’s a manager who can get talented players running through brick walls for them and bought into a unified vision. I also think he’d be the sort of bloke Sandgaard would get on well with.
I know things didn’t work out with Huddersfield/Southend, but I do believe that sometimes certain managers/clubs just fit together.
Current job he has is a pretty cushty one.0 -
Under this regime he would be back in a heartbeat!North Lower Neil said:
Would he fancy it though even if we wanted him?cafctom said:I’d have Chris Powell back in a heartbeat. Now that’s a manager who can get talented players running through brick walls for them and bought into a unified vision. I also think he’d be the sort of bloke Sandgaard would get on well with.
I know things didn’t work out with Huddersfield/Southend, but I do believe that sometimes certain managers/clubs just fit together.
Current job he has is a pretty cushty one.1 -
We didn't gain a point today. We started at 0-0 if the game plays out that way you gain 1 pointCallumcafc said:If you were Bowyer out before, you didn’t see enough to be swayed. If you were in the wait and see camp, you’re likely to look at the point gained in the playing conditions and think “ok take it and move on”.
We took a 1-0 lead and still came away with a point. That is 2 points dropped for sure.0 -
What makes you convinced he’ll walk rather than wait to be sacked?Cafc43v3r said:I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.
He will walk, and soon.
You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it.
I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going.
Liked Williams but he’s replaceable and not someone we could ever build a team around. Will always be a squad player whatever level he’s at because he’ll never be fit enough to regularly start games.4 -
Because I honestly thinks it dawned on him, over the last week or so, that he has lost this team. I firmly believe that if he thinks he can't turn it around he will walk away, I mean that as a compliment as well.Scoham said:
What makes you convinced he’ll walk rather than wait to be sacked?Cafc43v3r said:I think all the speculation of if/when Thomas sacks him is irrelevant.
He will walk, and soon.
You can suggest he has or hasn't lost the dressing room but they aren't running through walls for him and he now knows it.
I hope the next manager doesn't regret Williams going.
Liked Williams but he’s replaceable and not someone we could ever build a team around. Will always be a squad player whatever level he’s at because he’ll never be fit enough to regularly start games.2 -
And that is relegation form and those that say we are just having a blip, 5 wins in 19 games isn’t a blip.Athletico Charlton said:21 points from 19 games v's teams with an average position of 14th so bottom half. Comparing us to Wigan. Calling out players publicly. Each to their own but I don't see there being any argument that says he has not lost it sadly.9 - Sponsored links:
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He's shown zero quality in the last few months.GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.1 -
And look at what McCarthy is achieving at Cardiff.MuttleyCAFC said:I suspect that Sandgaard may be listening to the wrong people. I can't see Bowyer reverting to the sort of manager he was and am wondering whether there are health issues. He was positive, now he is depressive. Sorry but the negativity he exudes is not going to give the players any confidence whatsoever.
What may annoy all those that harp on about loyalty was the lack of loyalty Chelsea showed to Lampard. As a result of that disgusting lack of loyalty which is sadly all to common in football, they look like they may have turned their season around. It is disgusting!0 -
I made quite clear that those wanting change six weeks or so ago were imo far too soon off the mark with it and there were factors that needed to be taken into consideration and were overwhelmingly pointing towards, stability, giving time, giving a chance for Bowyer to work through this period.
But its getting harder and harder to maintain that stance and it feels heavy heart territory is potentially approaching quite quickly.Cold facts are just 3 wins in 13, 13 points out of 36. That’s not good enough against anyone at our clubs expectations in L1, including Bowyer i’m sure.
More importantly than the results, performances are just not picking up and the whole season has been a drought where it comes to ‘good performances’.
Unless a miracle happens now I think it’s looking almost certain that Bowyer won’t be managing us next season. I suspect there’s all sorts of strategy and financial considerations on whether to enforce the change earlier or not, but further poor performances and result in the next few games may hasten it regardless.27 -
So how is Bowyer learning from his mistakes, as we all do?GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.3 -
We've started
19 different defences, 26 midfields and 23 forward lines now.
Rochdale and Gillingham the only two consecutive 11s.4 -
#BringBackPowell5
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If we assume he’s not going to be here next season then he has to go now so a new man can assess the squad properly before rebuilding it. Wait till the end of the season that opportunity is gone and makes a successful rebuild much harder.8
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Interesting to hear this view as it shows Bowyer is losing more support on a game by game basis. More will turn the longer it goes on, which is why I think he has to go nowAFKABartram said:I made quite clear that those wanting change six weeks or so ago were imo far too soon off the mark with it and there were factors that needed to be taken into consideration and were overwhelmingly pointing towards, stability, giving time, giving a chance for Bowyer to work through this period.
But its getting harder and harder to maintain that stance and it feels heavy heart territory is potentially approaching quite quickly.Cold facts are just 3 wins in 13, 13 points out of 36. That’s not good enough against anyone at our clubs expectations in L1, including Bowyer i’m sure.
More importantly than the results, performances are just not picking up and the whole season has been a drought where it comes to ‘good performances’.
Unless a miracle happens now I think it’s looking almost certain that Bowyer won’t be managing us next season. I suspect there’s all sorts of strategy and financial considerations on whether to enforce the change earlier or not, but further poor performances and result in the next few games may hasten it regardless.1 -
We’ve got Famewo back though, once Inniss has returned watch us sniff out that last play off place.17
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"I think they played the conditions better than us. They created the odd chance here and there".
The odd chance: Fleetwood had 22 shots, 8 on target. Charlton had 4, 1 on target.4 - Sponsored links:
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If a change is made it needs to happen with at least 10 games to go so the new man can assess his players and start planning summer moves.9
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It is sad to say but he really isn’t having a positive effect on the performances of the players. I just don’t know what’s going on with tactics and patterns of play. It’s not a good combination.I’m not keen on someone we call our own being given the elbow but not sure the answer is to give him more rope!!. When TS took over it was so positive but has fallen flat on the football side. Only bows and his team can have an influence on that and it’s not good!!.Obviously it’s not all doom and gloom as a club is concerned, thankfully.also I don’t think the clubs status is a good enough reason to rest on our laurels either.AFKABartram said:I made quite clear that those wanting change six weeks or so ago were imo far too soon off the mark with it and there were factors that needed to be taken into consideration and were overwhelmingly pointing towards, stability, giving time, giving a chance for Bowyer to work through this period.
But its getting harder and harder to maintain that stance and it feels heavy heart territory is potentially approaching quite quickly.Cold facts are just 3 wins in 13, 13 points out of 36. That’s not good enough against anyone at our clubs expectations in L1, including Bowyer i’m sure.
More importantly than the results, performances are just not picking up and the whole season has been a drought where it comes to ‘good performances’.
Unless a miracle happens now I think it’s looking almost certain that Bowyer won’t be managing us next season. I suspect there’s all sorts of strategy and financial considerations on whether to enforce the change earlier or not, but further poor performances and result in the next few games may hasten it regardless.1 -
I hope Inniss is fit for the Euros, he must be the best center back in the world by now.AddickUpNorth said:We’ve got Famewo back though, once Inniss has returned watch us sniff out that last play off place.7 -
Cafc43v3r said:
I hope Inniss is fit for the Euros, he must be the best center back in the world by now.AddickUpNorth said:We’ve got Famewo back though, once Inniss has returned watch us sniff out that last play off place.
He’s got magic beans in his boots.2 -
Wheresmeticket? said:
So how is Bowyer learning from his mistakes, as we all do?GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.Managing people doesn’t work like that IMHO. You have a team of people who believe in you back in July and were 3 points away from staying up, You then lose all your best employees and you have to basically start again in a completely unstable work environment. We have no idea what is going on in the background and by the comment I assume unless you see a big improvement in results he’s not learning anything. Who knows it could be a month or it could be 6 months by the time we are back on track. We’ve had some shocking managers over the last 5 or 6 years and Bowyer as shown us he’s a good manager. Again completely different personnel from 7 months ago, I don’t understand the rush for him to leave.7 -
But that falls on everyone’s shoulders not just BowyerCroydon said:
He's shown zero quality in the last few months.GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.2 -
I was quoting from your comment. You said "This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes".GenevaCharlton said:Wheresmeticket? said:
So how is Bowyer learning from his mistakes, as we all do?GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.Managing people doesn’t work like that IMHO. You have a team of people who believe in you back in July and were 3 points away from staying up, You then lose all your best employees and you have to basically start again in a completely unstable work environment. We have no idea what is going on in the background and by the comment I assume unless you see a big improvement in results he’s not learning anything. Who knows it could be a month or it could be 6 months by the time we are back on track. We’ve had some shocking managers over the last 5 or 6 years and Bowyer as shown us he’s a good manager. Again completely different personnel from 7 months ago, I don’t understand the rush for him to leave.
I don't see any evidence that he is learning from his mistakes. You may assume that I mean "unless you see a big improvement in results he’s not learning anything" but that isn't what I mean. What I mean is that we are seeing poor strategy, poor set up of teams and poor performances and, yes, poor results, presumably at least in part because of those issues. This has been going on for a while, so by your own criteria, if learning from your mistakes is a given or a requirement, he doesn't seem to be doing it.4 -
But he is the manager. Part of the job description of a manager is that the buck stops there.GenevaCharlton said:
But that falls on everyone’s shoulders not just BowyerCroydon said:
He's shown zero quality in the last few months.GenevaCharlton said:It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.2 -
Curbs used to have spells where we'd struggle for a good few weeks. He'd go back to basics. Solidify everything. Build from the back and it would slowly build confidence back up. Tough to watch at times but it worked.
Now we struggle. Put on a half decent performance where you think we'll push on and a week later we're back where we started.
I actually thought Bowyer would struggle with the losing cycle early on in his managerial career with us. There just didn't seem to be much in his locker. But he proved me wrong. Whether that was because of the players he had at his disposal I don't know?
But it's proving itself with a vengeance now. He hasn't got the answers.1 -
I know we're not meant to mention his name on here, but I think we're now seeing how integral a certain Nottingham forest striker was to Bowyer's success16
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