Bowyer to me seems exhausted from what's gone on off the pitch.
The mess off the pitch began in Late November and lasted till September. That's around 9 months of uncertainty that nearly led to us going under.
The stress and uncertainty from that was a nightmare for fans, staff and players
Bowyer knew it early on when he did that interview for the Hull Game on sky last year. 9 months of not knowing what was going to happen would have damaging long term effect on anyone decision making and feelings towards their position.
This period also saw our best player and goalscorer refuse to play in a relegation battle, when as a manager you rely on these players to help you out in the bad times. If we had of stayed up, it would have given bowyer a huge boost and possibly rejuvenated him. Considering that would be just a big of an achievment as winning promotion and with Sangaard over him, imo we would comfortably mid table in the championship or at least giving it a right go.
Roland, Meire, Southall, Nimer, Farnell and Elliot and all the others have done huge damage long term that means that we have to plan long term, so I understand why people would want Bowyer to stay.
But tactically he has been bad this season. The chopping and changing of starting 11s just suggests no belief in the players he has and unsure on the team he has and a lot of that comes from long term off the pitch problems, not the whole reason but it's a huge factor.
I think we need a fresh start, who that is I don't know, but I don't think under Bowyer we're going up anytime soon
In any normal walk of life Bowyer would of had a proper break after the summer window shut. It probably would have made the world of difference.
The reasons it's got to this stage are undeniable, but that doesn't change the fact we have.
Most of us are formed from situations as young adults, it's telling the amount of times he references getting dropped by Graham at Leeds. IMO Bowyer's solution to any football problem is work harder, try more things, try and be more clever with "wacky" formations.
If we stick with Bowyer through the summer he is going to get, what, a week off? Then come back and have to deal with 20 odd transfers?
If you going to do that give him April off although you run the risk of an up turn in performances "proving" he was the problem.
It’s an interesting thought that having a little time away maybe good for Bowyer and the team. As you say though in football especially if results and performances suddenly picked up that the conclusion would be that its time for him to go. Alas in football no one gets a mini sabbatical from a club.
I saw enough from Bowyer in the two years previous to know there's a good manager in there. That for me is enough to give him a full pre season and summer window with a owner that will back him. If we aren't in contention by mid October with a squad he has built then that's the time to go. Everyone is desperate to get out of this league which I get but give him a chance without he's hands tied behind his back for once. If he stays until the summer I can see about 15 players leaving
Whoever is in charge next season, I think it will be Bowyer still I hope they won’t make these two mistakes in the summer.
1) Stop getting the maximum amount of loan players in. Get the bare minimum not maximum.
2) Sign younger demographic of players. Need to reduce the average of the squad and not increase it.
Yes I agree. There's nothing wrong with a loan signing but if you've got 5 in a starting 11 that's half the team that are temporary. I think it would also be wise to have loan slots free for later in the season. 3 players I'd sign first thing in the summer would be Baxter on loan from Chelsea he's Accrington keeper. Balogun on loan from Arsenal who's a young forward that looks rapid and can score goals and Also Bishop from Accrington a young forward who has come up from non league and looks hungry. I'd be inclined to try and sign Stockley and if we could I'd probably let Aneke go. As much as I like Pratley it's probably time to say bye and start building a midfield around JFC and Morgan. 2 decent CBs are needed urgently too
You would let our top scorer go and replace him with a forward who could be playing championship football next season?
It is @GenevaCharlton and it’s very easy for fans to ‘make’ these decisions when it’s not them that actually have to make it and have a full insight into the other considerations and impacts attached to it (financial etc).
Interesting though on where roughly your trigger point is for not having faith in taking forward next year, as I’m hovering around mine.
Barring something catastrophic ie sliding into relegation trouble I’d like to see how we start next season. As others have said I would write this season off and get some stability on the ins and outs hopefully.
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well Karl is sitting pretty with Oxford one place above Charlton albeit on GD but with two games in hand. I wouldn’t want Robinson back but my point is that Charlton have a better squad than Robinson does and are performing worse. Now if anyone wants to argue that his squad is in fact better than ours then bring it on. We are comfortably mid table and look good value to stay there. I’ve no idea what’s not right at The Valley but something definitely is.
I think Bowyer has lost it and I don't understand those who want to persevere with him. I desperately wanted him to succeed but there are no signs of improvement and it's all getting a bit depressing.
We're one of the worst sides in L1 at present based on form since December - far beyond a blip. There haven't been any convincing or fluent performances and our squad should be capable of better than this.
We can't just stick with Bowyer out of sentiment or the fear that the next manager might do even worse.
If you were TS would you trust Bowyer to launch a promotion campaign next season?
I know we are coming from different perspectives and we all want the best for Charlton. It’s just a discussion, but having faith in someone who has delivered for the most part under difficult circumstances and is having a bad run of form why isn’t that seen as a possible way out or not something that’s possible to understand / consider?
Or in the last 15 months we've been woeful other than a brief good spell earlier this season . In which case the blip was the good form.
Personally I thought we got promoted with a good bunch of players as I thought we should have. I think Bowyer lucked out with Gallacher and as soon as he left he had no idea how to arrest the slump and we played some awful, tactically inept, negative football which got us relegated, and this season we have continued in the same vein other than a brief positive blip.
Yet despite all that I wanted him to stay, and succeed, because I felt he deserved the chance for not jumping ship when things were going well.
He's had that chance. It's getting worse. I don't want him replaced today because I think someone else can come in and get us promoted. I want him removed so we have time to bring in a replacement who will have a full transfer window to build, and to work out how to get the best out of the players we do have.
Finally it's def not about results for me. I'm used to us losing games. It's the performances. It's the utter lack of hope or expectation. It's never thinking we're going to turn up and win a game. It's knowing when we do win that we easily could have lost it. It's watching team after team outplay us. Every game. That is the thing that pushed me over about 5 games ago. Since then it's got much worse.
But say over 15 months we’ve lost so many good players starting after the play offs Bauer Aribo etc and it’s just been impossible to hold onto a core for any sustained period, it’s tough to have that turnover of quality player and keep finding the replacements. As we know player recruitment is far from a perfect science, I remember John Carver and Steve Walsh from Newcastle and Leicester being lorded as recruitment kings but they plateaued out. Maybe in the summer 1 or 2 inspirational signings could change everything.
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
Bowyer to me seems exhausted from what's gone on off the pitch.
The mess off the pitch began in Late November and lasted till September. That's around 9 months of uncertainty that nearly led to us going under.
The stress and uncertainty from that was a nightmare for fans, staff and players
Bowyer knew it early on when he did that interview for the Hull Game on sky last year. 9 months of not knowing what was going to happen would have damaging long term effect on anyone decision making and feelings towards their position.
This period also saw our best player and goalscorer refuse to play in a relegation battle, when as a manager you rely on these players to help you out in the bad times. If we had of stayed up, it would have given bowyer a huge boost and possibly rejuvenated him. Considering that would be just a big of an achievment as winning promotion and with Sangaard over him, imo we would comfortably mid table in the championship or at least giving it a right go.
Roland, Meire, Southall, Nimer, Farnell and Elliot and all the others have done huge damage long term that means that we have to plan long term, so I understand why people would want Bowyer to stay.
But tactically he has been bad this season. The chopping and changing of starting 11s just suggests no belief in the players he has and unsure on the team he has and a lot of that comes from long term off the pitch problems, not the whole reason but it's a huge factor.
I think we need a fresh start, who that is I don't know, but I don't think under Bowyer we're going up anytime soon
In any normal walk of life Bowyer would of had a proper break after the summer window shut. It probably would have made the world of difference.
The reasons it's got to this stage are undeniable, but that doesn't change the fact we have.
Most of us are formed from situations as young adults, it's telling the amount of times he references getting dropped by Graham at Leeds. IMO Bowyer's solution to any football problem is work harder, try more things, try and be more clever with "wacky" formations.
If we stick with Bowyer through the summer he is going to get, what, a week off? Then come back and have to deal with 20 odd transfers?
If you going to do that give him April off although you run the risk of an up turn in performances "proving" he was the problem.
It’s an interesting thought that having a little time away maybe good for Bowyer and the team. As you say though in football especially if results and performances suddenly picked up that the conclusion would be that its time for him to go. Alas in football no one gets a mini sabbatical from a club.
If you think about it it's mental really.
Obviously there are exceptions at both ends of the scale but generally speaking most managers seem to follow the same pattern.
Come in as a breath of fresh air. Pick a couple of players that were frozen out under the previous manager, drop a couple of the previous favourites. Up tick in results. Players looking happy etc etc. Injured players make a lazarus like return. Add a few of their players to the squad for the next season. That normally last 18 months to 2 years.
Then they start becoming more defensive in the media, what was once refreshing becomes stale. The challenges become burdens. They get sacked. Someone else, who probably went through exactly the same cycle a few months earlier comes in and repeats it all again.
Sacked manager rocks up somewhere else in 2 or 3 months time and starts the same cycle again.
Do they become bad managers, then good managers again? Almost certainly not. The fact people are happy to spend, in some cases, 10s of millions on transfer fees yet not give the most important employee a proper holiday, is quite frankly, bizarre.
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
What even is a well respected League 1 manager? If they've been in this division for so long (like Robinson) then is probably because that's their level. If Bowyer is replaced then I hope it's with someone we can see growing with the club and being here in the long term.
I think Bowyer has lost it and I don't understand those who want to persevere with him. I desperately wanted him to succeed but there are no signs of improvement and it's all getting a bit depressing.
We're one of the worst sides in L1 at present based on form since December - far beyond a blip. There haven't been any convincing or fluent performances and our squad should be capable of better than this.
We can't just stick with Bowyer out of sentiment or the fear that the next manager might do even worse.
If you were TS would you trust Bowyer to launch a promotion campaign next season?
I know we are coming from different perspectives and we all want the best for Charlton. It’s just a discussion, but having faith in someone who has delivered for the most part under difficult circumstances and is having a bad run of form why isn’t that seen as a possible way out or not something that’s possible to understand / consider?
Or in the last 15 months we've been woeful other than a brief good spell earlier this season . In which case the blip was the good form.
Personally I thought we got promoted with a good bunch of players as I thought we should have. I think Bowyer lucked out with Gallacher and as soon as he left he had no idea how to arrest the slump and we played some awful, tactically inept, negative football which got us relegated, and this season we have continued in the same vein other than a brief positive blip.
Yet despite all that I wanted him to stay, and succeed, because I felt he deserved the chance for not jumping ship when things were going well.
He's had that chance. It's getting worse. I don't want him replaced today because I think someone else can come in and get us promoted. I want him removed so we have time to bring in a replacement who will have a full transfer window to build, and to work out how to get the best out of the players we do have.
Finally it's def not about results for me. I'm used to us losing games. It's the performances. It's the utter lack of hope or expectation. It's never thinking we're going to turn up and win a game. It's knowing when we do win that we easily could have lost it. It's watching team after team outplay us. Every game. That is the thing that pushed me over about 5 games ago. Since then it's got much worse.
But say over 15 months we’ve lost so many good players starting after the play offs Bauer Aribo etc and it’s just been impossible to hold onto a core for any sustained period, it’s tough to have that turnover of quality player and keep finding the replacements. As we know player recruitment is far from a perfect science, I remember John Carver and Steve Walsh from Newcastle and Leicester being lorded as recruitment kings but they plateaued out. Maybe in the summer 1 or 2 inspirational signings could change everything.
But that's lower league football. Squad stability is a myth. Lincoln and Doncaster, for example, have had as high, if not higher, churn as us. Both have been held up as examples of clubs building for years.
It is @GenevaCharlton and it’s very easy for fans to ‘make’ these decisions when it’s not them that actually have to make it and have a full insight into the other considerations and impacts attached to it (financial etc).
Interesting though on where roughly your trigger point is for not having faith in taking forward next year, as I’m hovering around mine.
Barring something catastrophic ie sliding into relegation trouble I’d like to see how we start next season. As others have said I would write this season off and get some stability on the ins and outs hopefully.
Ok, cheers. I’m in a different place to you and suspect the vast majority are (including Sandgaard), but appreciate you sharing your thoughts
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
What even is a well respected League 1 manager? If they've been in this division for so long (like Robinson) then is probably because that's their level. If Bowyer is replaced then I hope it's with someone we can see growing with the club and being here in the long term.
I’m sure it’s not as easy as I’m portraying but if Bowyer leaves then Thomas has to sell the club to a manager / Head Coach who wouldn’t normally give us a second thought. Certainly salary but also sell a joint vision of what the owner and the new man want to build together. Financial support in the transfer market with a blueprint including targets and expectations. Run the football club like you run your medical business Thomas by getting the very best people you can.
I think there is a good case for Bowyer having time away and coming back more like the manager he was. We have seen what a good manager he was after all. The problem is, this can only work in football when a manager leaves a club.
It is @GenevaCharlton and it’s very easy for fans to ‘make’ these decisions when it’s not them that actually have to make it and have a full insight into the other considerations and impacts attached to it (financial etc).
Interesting though on where roughly your trigger point is for not having faith in taking forward next year, as I’m hovering around mine.
Barring something catastrophic ie sliding into relegation trouble I’d like to see how we start next season. As others have said I would write this season off and get some stability on the ins and outs hopefully.
Ok, cheers. I’m in a different place to you and suspect the vast majority are (including Sandgaard), but appreciate you sharing your thoughts
I accept that, it’s just good for us to share opinions together knowing we all want the same thing
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
He most definietly was well respected when he was appointed Charlton manager.
So go on then, who would be your pick as the biggest and most ambitious?
I think there is a good case for Bowyer having time away and coming back more like the manager he was. We have seen what a good manager he was after all. The problem is, this can only work in football when a manager leaves a club.
It doesn't happen, but I don't see why it can't. Most clubs seasons are over by April, yet I have never seen a manger have a month off.
Look at Pep and Klopp, for example, they are both probably nearer the end than the beginning of their current jobs. A proper break could probably add years to their longevity. I would wager who ever takes over from them doesn't do as well so a year off would be better for everyone wouldn't it?
Not everyone is Sir Alex, which makes his longevity ever more remarkable.
Finding it harder to justify the heart over head stance with each passing game. Hope he can turn it around but not seen anything recently to suggest he will. Massive game on Tuesday and failure to win that will make that stance difficult to defend beyond blind faith, hope and optimism.
Not a fan of chopping and changing managers and like the fact we have a Charlton man and he is massively in credit with me for the past 2.5 years but think I am perhaps romanticising that and the reality of the modern game doesn't work like that.
In my mind Bowyer has to keep winning herein to justify his position....amongst those who have been saying enough for a while now and many of those of us who have been calling for him to be given time and hoping to be vindicated.
Which is a huge amount of pressure and a massive ask and maybe impossible.
Finding my arguments for doing so aren't stacking up after the last 2 games and difficult to keep arguing for it in the cold harsh reality of football in 2021.
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
He most definietly was well respected when he was appointed Charlton manager.
So go on then, who would be your pick as the biggest and most ambitious?
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
He most definietly was well respected when he was appointed Charlton manager.
So go on then, who would be your pick as the biggest and most ambitious?
Backed him and continue to do so but it’s worrying. We have a very good squad and they’ve looked devoid of ideas, shape or consistency.
Bowyer’s subs today were just bizarre.
I get the feeling he doesn’t know what system to play, which means the players don’t know what to do either.
Consistency is the key and we just haven’t had any of it all season.
Given your observations, I genuinely don't understand why you are still backing him.
Because he’s a decent manager. He’s proved that over the last two seasons. There have been mitigating circumstances this season, although I agree, those excuses are wearing thin.
I’m just tired of the upheaval and mess of the last few years and don’t fancy more of it by binning off Bowywr and going through another cycle of big name/big reputation managers who want to change the squad AGAIN and don’t work out.
I think it’ll be very interesting to see what Thomas does. His first big decision, really. I hope he doesn’t bring in an unknown Dane, however well intentioned that might be.
We didn't go through any big name managers.. They were all foreign no marks brought in by Roland the rat.
I was thinking of Robinson. A well respected League 1 boss who was heralded when appointed.
Who is out there that you’d realistically want instead of Bowyer?
Well for a start NOT a well respected league one manager. I’d take at this point a well respected Championship manager or aim even higher. It will be the man at the helm that ultimately gets us to where our owner wants. Make the next managerial appointment the biggest and most ambitious in our history would be my advice to Thomas. Pay peanuts. Get monkeys.
What even is a well respected League 1 manager? If they've been in this division for so long (like Robinson) then is probably because that's their level. If Bowyer is replaced then I hope it's with someone we can see growing with the club and being here in the long term.
I’m sure it’s not as easy as I’m portraying but if Bowyer leaves then Thomas has to sell theclub to a manager / Head Coach who wouldn’t normally give us a second thought. Certainly salary but also sell a joint vision of what the owner and the new man want to build together. Financial support in the transfer market with a blueprint including targets and expectations. Run the football club like you run your medical business Thomas by getting the very best people you can.
I just saw these words. God I hope that day never comes!
How can the players respect Bowyer when he has publicly consistently torn them apart in the press. If not them then their mates! Not good for team morale! Always thought Jackson would be next in line but think he is now tarnished too. Tactics, team selection, square pegs in round holes etc........would get a new man in now to assess the squad & build for next season..... If we could get Paul Cook I’d be happy!
How can the players respect Bowyer when he has publicly consistently torn them apart in the press. If not them then their mates! Not good for team morale!
Always been disappointed that when a journalist has praised a player he’s always replied, ‘yes, we’ve improved him’. That’s not good for morale either.
All seems to have wrong since Ged Roddy got his feet under the table..I am repeating myself but I feel certain that lb is pushing back against things internally and it has reflected on the players.
Bowyer has no sophisticated coaching or management background and hes probably a bit lost now ..should get someone with proven experience now so they can assess who they want to keep and recruit for a successful season next time.Also if we have a better budget not so many loans
I think Bowyer has lost it and I don't understand those who want to persevere with him. I desperately wanted him to succeed but there are no signs of improvement and it's all getting a bit depressing.
We're one of the worst sides in L1 at present based on form since December - far beyond a blip. There haven't been any convincing or fluent performances and our squad should be capable of better than this.
We can't just stick with Bowyer out of sentiment or the fear that the next manager might do even worse.
If you were TS would you trust Bowyer to launch a promotion campaign next season?
I know we are coming from different perspectives and we all want the best for Charlton. It’s just a discussion, but having faith in someone who has delivered for the most part under difficult circumstances and is having a bad run of form why isn’t that seen as a possible way out or not something that’s possible to understand / consider?
I think Bowyer lucked out with Gallacher and as soon as he left he had no idea how to arrest the slump and we played some awful, tactically inept, negative football which got us relegated
Just want to point out LB being blamed for last year's relegation again.
I feel it's pretty unfair and revisionist, nobody was blaming him last year when we were fielding a midfield of youth players and a striker back from Enfield upfront.
I don't disagree with anything else you've written by the way.
How can the players respect Bowyer when he has publicly consistently torn them apart in the press. If not them then their mates! Not good for team morale!
Always been disappointed that when a journalist has praised a player he’s always replied, ‘yes, we’ve improved him’. That’s not good for morale either.
There is a massive difference between giving people an opportunity and improving them as players.
Is Gallagher a Premier league footballer through hard work and 10 years at Chelsea or six months under Bowyer?
Also the comments about changing the current Matt Smith into a box to box midfielder. If Arsenal wanted to do that maybe they could have done it themselves?
It all comes down to believing in the person. Do you believe in Bowyer or not? I do. This is his first job and we all learn by our mistakes, Most of us actually get better through our experiences. Yet football managers are not given that chance to grow without getting fired.
We are not going to be relegated and this is a guy who has a completely different starting 11 than from Leeds game barely 7 months ago and not by choice. He’s shown too much quality up until the last few months. Il be with him to the end not just out of loyalty but because I believe in his ability.
So how is Bowyer learning from his mistakes, as we all do?
Managing people doesn’t work like that IMHO. You have a team of people who believe in you back in July and were 3 points away from staying up, You then lose all your best employees and you have to basically start again in a completely unstable work environment. We have no idea what is going on in the background and by the comment I assume unless you see a big improvement in results he’s not learning anything. Who knows it could be a month or it could be 6 months by the time we are back on track. We’ve had some shocking managers over the last 5 or 6 years and Bowyer as shown us he’s a good manager. Again completely different personnel from 7 months ago, I don’t understand the rush for him to leave.
6 months til we improve? Backing Bowyer over the success of Charlton. I just don't get it.
We’ve been pretty much awful for the last 15 years barring 1 or 2 seasons. I’d rather give the guy responsible for 1 of those good seasons more time because I believe that’s what’s best for the club in the long run. Just think back to Slade or Robinson, wasted seasons wouldn’t you agree? People assume the next manager will be better in the long term, but it could be more wasted seasons. I know it’s not a popular view and we all just want the team to do well.
I'll agree on that point as I never wanted Slade. He'd never been promoted and it was a wasted appointment. Robinson built some good foundations, but lost it towards the end.
What I don't understand is why that is what's best for the club? Stick with someone who's clearly failing, because we had a good season 3 years ago? I want Charlton to succeed, but Bowyer is absolutely holding us back right now.
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Obviously there are exceptions at both ends of the scale but generally speaking most managers seem to follow the same pattern.
Come in as a breath of fresh air. Pick a couple of players that were frozen out under the previous manager, drop a couple of the previous favourites. Up tick in results. Players looking happy etc etc. Injured players make a lazarus like return. Add a few of their players to the squad for the next season. That normally last 18 months to 2 years.
Then they start becoming more defensive in the media, what was once refreshing becomes stale. The challenges become burdens. They get sacked. Someone else, who probably went through exactly the same cycle a few months earlier comes in and repeats it all again.
Sacked manager rocks up somewhere else in 2 or 3 months time and starts the same cycle again.
Do they become bad managers, then good managers again? Almost certainly not. The fact people are happy to spend, in some cases, 10s of millions on transfer fees yet not give the most important employee a proper holiday, is quite frankly, bizarre.
Look at Pep and Klopp, for example, they are both probably nearer the end than the beginning of their current jobs. A proper break could probably add years to their longevity. I would wager who ever takes over from them doesn't do as well so a year off would be better for everyone wouldn't it?
Not everyone is Sir Alex, which makes his longevity ever more remarkable.
Not a fan of chopping and changing managers and like the fact we have a Charlton man and he is massively in credit with me for the past 2.5 years but think I am perhaps romanticising that and the reality of the modern game doesn't work like that.
In my mind Bowyer has to keep winning herein to justify his position....amongst those who have been saying enough for a while now and many of those of us who have been calling for him to be given time and hoping to be vindicated.
Which is a huge amount of pressure and a massive ask and maybe impossible.
Finding my arguments for doing so aren't stacking up after the last 2 games and difficult to keep arguing for it in the cold harsh reality of football in 2021.
Grim situation for all involved.
Bowyer has no sophisticated coaching or management background and hes probably a bit lost now ..should get someone with proven experience now so they can assess who they want to keep and recruit for a successful season next time.Also if we have a better budget not so many loans
I feel it's pretty unfair and revisionist, nobody was blaming him last year when we were fielding a midfield of youth players and a striker back from Enfield upfront.
I don't disagree with anything else you've written by the way.
Is Gallagher a Premier league footballer through hard work and 10 years at Chelsea or six months under Bowyer?
Also the comments about changing the current Matt Smith into a box to box midfielder. If Arsenal wanted to do that maybe they could have done it themselves?
Its starting to sound like a parody.
What I don't understand is why that is what's best for the club? Stick with someone who's clearly failing, because we had a good season 3 years ago? I want Charlton to succeed, but Bowyer is absolutely holding us back right now.