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Has Bowyer lost it?
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So your saying that the 33 players we have used this season have all magically managed to get worse in 6 months just like that? It's all a coincidence?AFKABartram said:
That just doesn’t make sense. The number of individual player mistakes and poor individual decision making over the last few months is borderline farcical. There’s nothing a manager can do when Pearce and Oshilaja run into each other, DJ doesn’t go with his runner at a throw in, Watson toes a ball on the edge of the box straight to the opponent, Pearce doesn’t deal with a long ball from the opposing keeper, there’s literally been dozens of them.Cafc43v3r said:This should be the easiest squad in the league to manage. Players that have played that many games don't need telling to close people down and stop the crosses/shots at source. They wouldn't have played 100 games if they did.
Blame him for starting 11s, substitutions, shape and tactics, style of play, collective player approach and attitude, potentially signings (though we really don’t know how much say he has in that),
But don’t let the players off the hook in their part in this over the last few months.
Its not the individual mistakes that are the problem, they happen, but we highlight them by playing poorly.
If we had dominated the game today and lost because of the goals we did you could say we were unlucky.
We were, quite frankly crap, very few of the players could walk off the pitch saying they left everything out there. Bowyer even hinted they were coasting himself. If that's not the managers fault, who's is it?11 -
A failing manager means your club losing. 99.9% of fans wouldn’t want that. Not fair to suggest otherwise.Callumcafc said:
Given some of the posts on this thread, I’d have to question that...MuttleyCAFC said:It doesn't matter what you believe. You are trying to put it on people who are sadly being proven right. Your world is what you want it to be and that is why it doesn't matter. J Block doesn't want Bowyer to be failing, he is merely pointing out that he is.4 -
He was a great manager for Millwall, but I would prefer a manager that plays football.carly burn said:
Pain in the arse of a manager that's caused us plenty of heartache over the years.doronron said:
But would our fans except him ,if we made the play offs and got promoted ,how would we feel thencarly burn said:Here's one for you.
.Neil Harris
I think he'd be great.1 -
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
I’m also not the only one who’s heard similar.
Let’s look at some facts
His man management/treatment/comments of players this season has been a total 180 of previous years, Williams, Maddison, bogle etc
Tactically we are all over the show. Coming to the end of Feb and he still doesn’t know his best team
He dug the fans out for not making enough noise against mk dons, very unlike him
The players are not playing for him. Tonight, did we really look like we wanted it when we went 2v1 down ??
Finally, and it’s the big one, just look at the consistent results, it is getting worse ..
I’ll make my judgement on all of the above on whether there is any unrest in the camp or not.11 -
When bowyer first started he was proactive in his tactics and style of play and imposed it on the opposition, now every week it is the opposition setting up how they want and Lee is being reactive unsuccessfully to them. He is being continually out thought, maybe the players just don’t buy into his way anymore.that’s not to say the players shouldn’t be blamed aswell.5
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Good luck with that.Redrobo said:
He was a great manager for Millwall, but I would prefer a manager that plays football.carly burn said:
Pain in the arse of a manager that's caused us plenty of heartache over the years.doronron said:
But would our fans except him ,if we made the play offs and got promoted ,how would we feel thencarly burn said:Here's one for you.
.Neil Harris
I think he'd be great.
You're wasting your time in this tin pot shitty league1 -
Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!1
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Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.2 -
I don’t think I would ever watch football again if I believed that.carly burn said:
Good luck with that.Redrobo said:
He was a great manager for Millwall, but I would prefer a manager that plays football.carly burn said:
Pain in the arse of a manager that's caused us plenty of heartache over the years.doronron said:
But would our fans except him ,if we made the play offs and got promoted ,how would we feel thencarly burn said:Here's one for you.
.Neil Harris
I think he'd be great.
You're wasting your time in this tin pot shitty league0 -
Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless0 -
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To be fair I am inclined to believe what you are saying just because I remember Bows a lot seemingly fixated on it being a 'mens game' and you've got to be 'men' etc etc.MuttleyCAFC said:
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
Perhaps a bit of an outdated view now, but don't necessarily think that is what is making him being tactically all over the place at the moment, but it may feed into it.1 -
Who got relegated, bowyer or the cowleys?cafc_se7 said:Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
were they toilet when they scored 5 against us?3 -
Everything feeds into everything. If you are not all pushing in the same direction it becomes a lot harder. That isn't to say players are going out to lose, but when things are wrong they affect things.1
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Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.ForeverAddickted said:Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless0 -
The pool of potential managers who could come straight in is probably pretty shallow. The question is are any of that small number going to be good enough to achieve what TS proclaims he wants for the club? We’re going to be incredibly fortunate if that is the case.0
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I do not know much about them. Can you elaborate on their preferred style of play, youth development views and success on transfers. I obviously have heard their names but do not know anything about them.Todds_right_hook said:
Who got relegated, bowyer or the cowleys?cafc_se7 said:Honestly the Cowleys? I would honestly rather stick with Bow! Such an overrated pair! Huddersfield were toilet under them last year!
were they toilet when they scored 5 against us?0 -
Does TS want Lee in charge for the rest of the season? Just delaying the inevitable? A caretaker can at least shore things up a bit.AddickUpNorth said:The pool of potential managers who could come straight in is probably pretty shallow. The question is are any of that small number going to be good enough to achieve what TS proclaims he wants for the club? We’re going to be incredibly fortunate if that is the case.
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Even if TS gave it to Pearce, it doesn't matter. Just make a change. TS needs to decide who should take over using the inside knowledge we don't have, but there is nothing wrong with a temporary decision at this point rather than this death by a thousand cuts.3
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Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the momentShootersHillGuru said:
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.ForeverAddickted said:Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.
If we're getting someone new in then it has to happen before the end of the season, we cant go down the route of Caretaker Manager until the summer... We need the new bloke settled so he can work out who to keep and who to get rid.
Wait until the summer to find the new long term replacement and its potentially a repeat of Dowie all over again where we're left behind because we're suddenly making our signings late, because once again its another squad rebuild - This is why I'm of equal stance, if Bowyer goes, he goes now, if he doesnt go now then he get to prove himself into next year1 -
Muttley in being patronising shocker.MuttleyCAFC said:
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.
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If LB goes (which I think will happen now) it could be a temporary post for someone until the end of the season... Euell or JJ but not sure what's best.
Its a real problem at this stage when in all fairness and as ridiculous as it as sounds there is still time to make a push.. Look at Cardiff for example!
My fear is LB still being in charge for Blackpool on Saturday... That does fill me with dread!
I really hope TS does the right thing and puts LB out of his misery because let's all be honest he is not the same fella anymore and looks done in.
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The end is surely nigh now. This is the classic situation, where a manager is trying everything to get results, and nothing is working. The players aren't responding, and there's a massive gloom about the place.
Take out the brief winning run in the autumn, and this has been a ropey season completely at odds with the events off the pitch. Poor results, poor performances, constant tinkering with team selections and formations, players going backwards, young players not being given a chance, signings being binned off 3 months after they arrived, players being publicly criticised on VP
Yes we're weak at the back - and sorry I don't believe we couldn't have found another CB - but we have ridiculous depth in our squad. Gunter and Morgan plus the injured Innis and Gilbey not making the 18 today, and other than the GK no academy players in today's 18 either, so we're not being forced to play the kids. But we don't have a team, just a collection of individuals nearly all playing worse than they used to individually, and badly as a collective unit. And the buck stops with the management
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The official facebook page hasn’t posted tonights score/game report. Thats not normal is it?
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Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.ForeverAddickted said:
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the momentShootersHillGuru said:
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.ForeverAddickted said:Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.0 -
You are the one being patronising.Callumcafc said:
Muttley in being patronising shocker.MuttleyCAFC said:
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.1 -
It would be Roddy doing the heavy lifting. Especially as TS is in the USForeverAddickted said:Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless1 -
I know you are but what am I? :-)MuttleyCAFC said:
You are the one being patronising.Callumcafc said:
Muttley in being patronising shocker.MuttleyCAFC said:
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.2 -
Sorry I edited my post to elaborate further - I do agree though with your comments about it being disrespectful to Lee if we are talking to Managers behind his back, I dont like it when others do it.ShootersHillGuru said:
Is it pissing around ? Getting the right man in is paramount. If we’ve got someone ready and waiting I’ll be disappointed on two levels. Firstly it would be completely disrespectful to Lee Bowyer who despite needing to go deserves better than that and secondly we won’t have had the benefit of a proper selection process.ForeverAddickted said:
Hate to say it but you can probably ignore lifting the fans at the momentShootersHillGuru said:
Not for me. I desperately wanted LB to turn this around but he is now hanging around our necks like an albatross. Give it to someone for the remaining games. Kill off the depression hanging over the club and lift the fans and players. Recruit properly between now and end of season. My choice would be Curbs full in the knowledge that it’s just a caretaker role. Think he might be persuaded with that. Failing that Jason.ForeverAddickted said:Would be curious to know if there is any movement happening in the background
It could equally be foolish of Sandgaard to sack Bowyer if
- A - He doesnt have a list of targets
- B - He's confident that he'll get one of those targets
Based on the second assumption I wouldnt be surprised in the slightest if we pretty much get a replacement in the moment Bowyer is out the door - If Bowyer is to go now and we still have aspirations of the Play-Offs (even I snigger at that particular prospect now) then wasting three / four more games trying to find the right bloke could be just as pointless
We're not going to games so the atmosphere from the stands isnt effecting performances
I'm not saying that we shouldnt get rid of Bowyer, what I'm saying is if we are to get rid of Bowyer tomorrow, I'd be happier if we've got the new bloke coming in on Thursday - Lets not be one of these clubs that pisses about for weeks on end because we think we can get our first, second, third choice in and end up with someone else just for the sake of it that doesnt improve us.1 -
You can see the truth every Saturday at 3pm and Tuesday at 7pm.Callumcafc said:
Muttley in being patronising shocker.MuttleyCAFC said:
Like I believe the young player who said he was weird, a rubbish manager and treats the young players like they were kids. I haven't said all that before, just the rubbish manager bit, but I know who J Block is referring too and what he said to him and I know a younger player saying it and that informs me.J BLOCK said:
Good for you, just like I believe the player that told me that he’s lost the plot weeks ago.Callumcafc said:
I think I’ll believe them over someone who’s had it in for Bowyer for months.J BLOCK said:
Naive to think senior players would come out and confirm there was any dressing room unrest.Callumcafc said:
There are a handful of fans that bring up every little thing to fault the bloke, sometimes contradictory criticism. Others spread rumours of dressing room unrest (later put to bed by Pratley/Watson). Some are calling him a prick etc. It’s totally unnecessary.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
He says he believes the results could still turn which suggests he has faith in Bowyer and accuses fans of 'bloodlust'.ForeverAddickted said:
Doesnt he say that its time to give it to someone else rather than persevere with Bowyer?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Why on earth do you want to persevere with a manager who is doing such a terrible job?Callumcafc said:Honestly I’m just sad about the whole thing, with the results and with the bloodlust I’m seeing from our own fanbase. I genuinely believe that the results could still turn given a chance but it’s clear the overwhelming majority are no longer willing to give him the time that that would require.That means we should probably move on at this point, give it to Euell until the end of the season.
Most fans want a decent manager.
Callam can call J Block and me liars all he likes but when you know something you can't unknow it. Even, and this is a lesson for some, even if you would like to.
And whether these players are right or wrong, this is not what you want in a dressing room if you want to be successful.
Here’s what I know: on one side you have two senior pros who quite clearly stated there’s no dressing room unrest. Do I believe that everything is hunky dory at Sparrows Lane? No I’m not that stupid, players can see the constant formation changes etc and know that things aren’t working out as planned.
On opposite end of the spectrum, you have two blokes on an Internet forum (the two most vocal Bowyer critics at that) claiming they’ve spoken to squad players about Bowyers tactics and man management. You could well be telling the truth but I need more info before believing you.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle but I’m sick and tired of the bleating on here & Bowyer’s time is clearly up anyway.5
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