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So who / what do you want next?
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So it looks like Cowley is getting the Portsmouth job
Does seem weird that there's not really another solid choice that makes sense other than Jacko getting the job.
I'd be so disappointed if it was Adkins but I can't see TS being so stupid.3 -
For those saying Jacko is too young, Eddie Howe was 30 when he took the Bournemouth job.
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I would be happy for JJ getting the job, if he wanted Curbs to help out I think that could work out well.
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Because he's been managing in the Premier league for the past two seasons and has much bigger clubs that are interested. I've seen him linked with Celtic and Newcastle. He took over Sheff Utd when they were in League 1 and got them promoted over 5 seasons, I can't see him dropping two leagues to do that againjamiebcool said:Honestly don't understand why the Wilder mentions are getting LOL'ed.
He's gone from Northampton to Sheffield United (who he took over in league one), not Manchester United to Real Madrid.
He may fancy his chances higher up the pyramid but the Charlton job is far from unrealistic.2 -
If the Crewe game is postponed due to international call ups then the perfect time to bring in a new manager would be after the Wimbledon game so it would give the new person 2 weeks with the majority of players before Donny.
As for who, I have no idea but please not Atkins nor JJ and Curbs but keep JJ as a coach/assistant which should be part of any agreement with a new manager.1 -
Last night was great, I really don’t think it’s evidence that JJ is going to lead us from League One to Europe though.Would be a mistake to give him the job on a permanent basis and we can’t really afford to make a mistake here.10
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No to Adkins for me. I'd have wanted him many years ago but not now. No to JJ for me too. He'd be a punt and if TS is as ambitious as he says he is, and I believe he is, then I don't think he'll take a punt on a rookie manager and entrust him with a sizeable budget.
I think some people are underestimating the calibre of Manager we can attract.
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Not Adkins ffs.The day before yesterday’s man.2
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Parochial is good 😉 It’s served us well in the past. Firmani, Bailey, Curbishley, Gritt, Powell, Bowyer, Jackson...I’d rather managers with a Charlton connection. I think that goes a long way in creating something special.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
Doesn't that all sound a bit parochial and narrow?Yorkshireaddick said:Having slept on it, now firmly in the JJ with Curbs in a supporting role camp. Throw in Steve Brown and Jason Euell as dedicated backs and forwards coaches respectively and I’d be very happy with that.
Maybe we should get Lennie in as well and we can have a big emotional special CAFC group hug and steadfastly resolve to be plucky.
Don't get me wrong, I love them all to bits and it may be a good call in a temporary transitional capacity.
But we have an ambitious owner with money now and without getting all recklessly Hulyer, maybe we are in a position to make a more astute and ambitious appointment
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Only if it was until the end of the season first. If Thomas can't find or get the perfect person for the role right now then no harm in giving it to JJ for the last 10 games. Good experience for him, becomes an extended job interview, safer for Thomas as if it works then great we might have unearthed a very good manager, if it doesn't we can ask him to stay on as coach and gain more experience or he could choose to go elsewhere and get some experience and I think we'd all wish him well and nothing would turn sour. Rushing in to a long term contract on the back of 1 game as manager does not seem like a smart choice to me.Johnnysummers5 said:I would be happy for JJ getting the job, if he wanted Curbs to help out I think that could work out well.0 -
Lots of people going to be disappointed with our appointment if they genuinely think Wilder/Howe are viable candidates.
Name me one other manager in the last 20 years whom has left a PL job and taken one up immediately in L1 (maybe there are loads I genuinely don't know and would be interested to hear). Even more so when said manager was highly regarded which Howe and Wilder both are.3 -
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Lead us to europe? Am i missing something here, we’re an outside bet for the play offs at the moment in league 1. The priority should be getting out of this relatively poor division.se9addick said:Last night was great, I really don’t think it’s evidence that JJ is going to lead us from League One to Europe though.Would be a mistake to give him the job on a permanent basis and we can’t really afford to make a mistake here.Even then, how is a 1 game, which we actually won, anywhere near a good enough sample size to see if JJ is the man to lead us for the next 5 years or so.6 -
No one is going to lead us to Europe though.se9addick said:Last night was great, I really don’t think it’s evidence that JJ is going to lead us from League One to Europe though.Right now, we need someone to help get us out of League One in the next 14 months.21 -
that's the thing, TS has made it very clear what his intentions are for the club so will be looking for a manager that can lead us all the way not people that he will have to replace every time we step up a level.blackpool72 said:
Indeed.jamiebcool said:Honestly don't understand why the Wilder mentions are getting LOL'ed.
He's gone from Northampton to Sheffield United (who he took over in league one), not Manchester United to Real Madrid.
He may fancy his chances higher up the pyramid but the Charlton job is far from unrealistic.
If Tommy boy can sell him his vision and offer him a decent wage he may well fancy it.
Sends out a real statement of intent as well
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Yeah now you say it makes me think Atkins will be the choice based on his achievements with Southamptoncafcdave123 said:
that's the thing, TS has made it very clear what his intentions are for the club so will be looking for a manager that can lead us all the way not people that he will have to replace every time we step up a level.blackpool72 said:
Indeed.jamiebcool said:Honestly don't understand why the Wilder mentions are getting LOL'ed.
He's gone from Northampton to Sheffield United (who he took over in league one), not Manchester United to Real Madrid.
He may fancy his chances higher up the pyramid but the Charlton job is far from unrealistic.
If Tommy boy can sell him his vision and offer him a decent wage he may well fancy it.
Sends out a real statement of intent as well1 -
Seems as if, if true, it's more a case of we didn't want him.SteveKielyCambridge said:1 -
I’d be fairly happy with Johnnie so long as there’s experienced heads around him, I think he’s the type of character who will take advice rather than a dictator type manager.2
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Have you shared that with Sandgaard because he’s made a cast iron guarantee that the next managerial appointment will lead us to European football in the next 10 years.AFKABartram said:
No one is going to lead us to Europe though.se9addick said:Last night was great, I really don’t think it’s evidence that JJ is going to lead us from League One to Europe though.Right now, we need someone to help get us out of League One in the next 14 months.3 -
Julien Nagelsman: The boss at RB Leipzig is 33 and has been a manager in the Bundesliga since he was 28. He never made a professional appearance as a player.
Jackson is vastly experienced with 445 app over 20 years from Spurs to Charlton.
8 different clubs including loans; clubs where he would have learnt so much. Good the bad and the ugly but John is discerning and intelligent and will have his own way.
The day Slade was appointed I asked JJ(at Sparrows lane) when he will write his book about his time at Cafc ?
Only when I leave the club, came the reply.
I really hope JJ doesn't write the on field and off field action anytime soon.
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As an aside, far too much emphasis seems to be getting put on managers imo, particularly intra game when players make mistakes. I’m starting to feel some fans think the managers control the players like computer games.
good managers don’t guarantee success and bad managers don’t instantly mean failure. All of these people have been in football all their lives, their approach and decision making is relatively narrow and overlapping.The right budget, coaching, support and medical team and facilities, training facilities, recruitment policy, contract management, club strategy etc are all just as important as the man who picks the team and sets the tactics and formation.33 -
Actually I was.soapboxsam said:ShootersHillGuru said:
Too early in his coaching career not age. If JJ was currently number two at any other club and was appointed as our manager then most of us would be very disappointed. We need to stop letting our hearts rule our heads.Ormiston_Addick said:
Whatever else it may be it is certainly not too early for Jackson, he is 38 years of age - four years younger than Curbs when he took the reins and younger than Karl Robinson too when he took the job.ShootersHillGuru said:Don’t get carried away with the emotion of tonight. It’s just too early for JJ in my opinion. Would really hate it going wrong for him and tarnishing his true legend status. Go somewhere else JJ and cut your teeth and then you never know.
He has not been on the playing staff for three years now and has been coaching under Robinson and Bowyer so if he is not ready now he never will be.
If we were in the Championship it may be different but he is perfectly well qualified for the role and from his point of view he may never get this type of chance again.
Were you disappointed when the Leicester number 2 under Nigel Pearson was appointed Charlton manager ?
When he could bring his own players in, the following season, Powell topped 100 points.
If we lose Johnnie from Charlton now it will be a retrograde step. He made the decision to drop two senior men straight away in the collecters of Yellow cards Pratley and Watson.
It's Thomas Sandgaard's right to bring in who he chooses but nothing to do with loyalty, but Jackson is the right man for the job now but it sounds like that won't happen.
Howe was given the Bournemouth job at 29 in League 2.0 -
Tactical nous and more importantly having the ability to manage and motivate a wide and differing personality range of ego-centric young men.AFKABartram said:As an aside, far too much emphasis seems to be getting put on managers imo, particularly intra game when players make mistakes. I’m starting to feel some fans think the managers control the players like computer games.
good managers don’t guarantee success and bad managers don’t instantly mean failure. All of these people have been in football all their lives, their approach and decision making is relatively narrow and overlapping.The right budget, coaching, support and medical team and facilities, training facilities, recruitment policy, contract management, club strategy etc are all just as important as the man who picks the team and sets the tactics and formation.
The latter is far more important - good quality coaches can do the first bit.3 -
I totally get where you are coming from, and as much you do have to wonder why the turn over of managers at clubs in the modern age is so quick.AFKABartram said:As an aside, far too much emphasis seems to be getting put on managers imo, particularly intra game when players make mistakes. I’m starting to feel some fans think the managers control the players like computer games.
good managers don’t guarantee success and bad managers don’t instantly mean failure. All of these people have been in football all their lives, their approach and decision making is relatively narrow and overlapping.The right budget, coaching, support and medical team and facilities, training facilities, recruitment policy, contract management, club strategy etc are all just as important as the man who picks the team and sets the tactics and formation.
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Recruitment policy yes, but most managers have a big say in that don’t they, unless the club is skint.
Motivation and tactics also vital, and again, that’s a big part of the manager’s job. But of course tbe manager is only part of the jigsaw, just a pretty big part.[Edit: Of course the manager can only have a limited effect if he doesn’t have the players to work with. Would be interesting to give Pep a year at Barnet or José a year at Plymouth to see how they get on].0 -
Adkins has jumped to 2nd favourite in the betting. Please god NO.
Would take JJ over Adkins all day long if it's between those 222 -
Your last paragraph is spot on - and is a list of things that were hugely damaged under the Spivs, Roland and the shower of shit before TSAFKABartram said:As an aside, far too much emphasis seems to be getting put on managers imo, particularly intra game when players make mistakes. I’m starting to feel some fans think the managers control the players like computer games.
good managers don’t guarantee success and bad managers don’t instantly mean failure. All of these people have been in football all their lives, their approach and decision making is relatively narrow and overlapping.The right budget, coaching, support and medical team and facilities, training facilities, recruitment policy, contract management, club strategy etc are all just as important as the man who picks the team and sets the tactics and formation.0 -
Adkins now joint favourite on 6/4 with Jacko0
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