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Completely agree. I had it 6-2 to Canelo and even the two I gave to Saunders were touch and go.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
I was expecting some kind of boxing masterclass from Saunders but he looked like a rabbit caught in the headlights. His boxing looked awkward and disjointed.
Canelo just stalked him, worked him out by throwing faints and it was only a matter of time before he caught him.6 -
Seen it again, Canelo was not troubled at all but was landing beefy body shots from the start.5
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I don't think we'll see him again, period. Very bad injury apparently - multiple fractures of the orbital socket area. He won't come back from that.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.0 -
Yep, apparently far worse than the one Kell Brook sustained against GGG.bobmunro said:
I don't think we'll see him again, period. Very bad injury apparently - multiple fractures of the orbital socket area. He won't come back from that.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
That sort of injury will make him second guess everything that gets thrown at him the ring and will breed a huge amount of uncertainty and caution. Something he may have never experienced before.0 -
Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared0 -
It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.Maccn05 said:Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared1 -
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.0 -
bobmunro said:
It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.Maccn05 said:Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared
see no point in that... outside of Andrade and Plant there isnt a single fight I'd have any interest of watching, and to be honest, I think he walks through those relatively comfortably. Bivol and Beterbiev are fights that would have me on the edge of my seat.
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Could move up to light heavyweight?bobmunro said:
It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.Maccn05 said:Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
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He's already done that of course - but he could look at Beterbiev.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Could move up to light heavyweight?bobmunro said:
It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.Maccn05 said:Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared1 - Sponsored links:
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I completely agree with his corners decision.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
But the attitude and disrespect that those two throw around will always come back to haunt them - to the casual fan BJS is looking like a bit of a numpty today 'quitting' after getting solidly beaten for 8 rounds0 -
Realistically he'll have to move up.
Heard him recently say he wants to fight for 7 more years (i'll be pretty surprised if he does) but once he takes out Plant to unify the division there's no one left for him at his current weight except Benavidez.
Jermall Charlo i read is talking about moving up to face him.0 -
NSFWCAFCsayer said:bobmunro said:
It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.Maccn05 said:Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG
On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared
see no point in that... outside of Andrade and Plant there isnt a single fight I'd have any interest of watching, and to be honest, I think he walks through those relatively comfortably. Bivol and Beterbiev are fights that would have me on the edge of my seat.
I think Andrade may have a while to wait!!
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/877152/canelo-next-fight-caleb-plant-andrade-billy-joe-saunders/
That's a side to Canelo you rarely if ever see - very funny!!
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I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face.7 -
Quite an apt phrase considering the state of his face.SELR_addicks said:
I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face.
Looked like his cheek had collapsed on its self.1 -
Seriously? An injury like that doesn't just end fights, that ends careers. It's not something that you just fight through and the corner were 100% right to call it.SELR_addicks said:
I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face.8 -
thenewbie said:
Seriously? An injury like that doesn't just end fights, that ends careers. It's not something that you just fight through and the corner were 100% right to call it.SELR_addicks said:
I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.Maccn05 said:I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.
I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.
I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.
Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face.100%It also had the potential, if he had answered the bell for round 9, to result in life changing/life limiting injury - or even worse. If Tibbs hadn't stopped it he would have been guilty of gross negligence.I'm not sure @SELR_addicks has grasped the full nature and extent of the injury BJS suffered. Saunders' mistake (and crassness) was in calling out Dubois and claiming he would still fight on with two busted eye sockets or worse. (Dubois was class by the way with his tweet on Sunday).
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Billy Joe Saunders is a gobby, self assured traveller. You will find people with similar personalities in boxing gyms all over the UK. Gypsies are tough, its just in them, they are also prone to saying and doing incredibly stupid or crass things.
I signed into the app to let one of the blokes at work watch it and he gave every round to Alvarez for walking down Saunders. I still disagree, regardless of whether or not thats what was happening you don't win rounds of boxing by showing menacing intent. BJS is a career middleweight and has never been a big hitter as his style is coming into the pocket and firing off fast, scoring combinations and moving outside again and he did that well in this fight. @bobmunro has it right. BJS is world level, elite level at doing that but Alvarez is a different level and has another gear, even if I think Golovkin beat him in the first fight.
Breaking eye sockets and cheekbones is a nasty business and for anyone who has not been in a situation where you are in a physical pugilisitic contest with one of the finest boxers on the planet with an injury like that its probably best not to comment on quitting. Mark Tibbs did the right thing, as did Dominic Ingle for Kell Brook and Daniel Dubois made an unsurprising decision against Joe Joyce. John Murray has no vision in his right eye from not making decisions like that and Kevin Mitchell is lucky to have the use of both eyes still8 -
There's a bad eye injury and there's what sounds like broken bones,.big difference.0
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Well said mate I find it incredibly cringeworthy when casual boxing fans on social media use phrases like 'quitter' or 'he should go out on his shield' etc - total and utter nonsense, and part of the reason why boxing gets so much stick from the chattering classes.Carter said:Billy Joe Saunders is a gobby, self assured traveller. You will find people with similar personalities in boxing gyms all over the UK. Gypsies are tough, its just in them, they are also prone to saying and doing incredibly stupid or crass things.
I signed into the app to let one of the blokes at work watch it and he gave every round to Alvarez for walking down Saunders. I still disagree, regardless of whether or not thats what was happening you don't win rounds of boxing by showing menacing intent. BJS is a career middleweight and has never been a big hitter as his style is coming into the pocket and firing off fast, scoring combinations and moving outside again and he did that well in this fight. @bobmunro has it right. BJS is world level, elite level at doing that but Alvarez is a different level and has another gear, even if I think Golovkin beat him in the first fight.
Breaking eye sockets and cheekbones is a nasty business and for anyone who has not been in a situation where you are in a physical pugilisitic contest with one of the finest boxers on the planet with an injury like that its probably best not to comment on quitting. Mark Tibbs did the right thing, as did Dominic Ingle for Kell Brook and Daniel Dubois made an unsurprising decision against Joe Joyce. John Murray has no vision in his right eye from not making decisions like that and Kevin Mitchell is lucky to have the use of both eyes still
Some people make the mistake of thinking of boxing as different to other sports, and that there is a warrior code, that means you fight through whatever the circumstances - again total nonsense. It is a sport - pure and simple - and if you are badly injured in the ring (like Dubois), then like any other sport, you should get yourself out of harms way, and come back another day - no shame in that.
Any trainer who let their fighter go out with a fractured eye socket/cheekbone should lose their license for life, and I am so glad that Mark Tibbs took the sensible route, as to let BJS continue would have been against his principles of a 'duty of care' to his fighter.
It is irrelevant to me what BJS has said and done before the fight, you don't have to like him as a person - just admire him as a fighter, and for what it's worth I thought that he nicked a couple of rounds, but as Steve Bunce always says, he was fighting at maximum just to stay in the fight, and over twelve rounds against a legendary fighter like Canelo, that is never going to be enough.
As far Canelo - he is now running out of opponents, surely he'll have to go back up to light heavyweight again?8 - Sponsored links:
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EDIT: Fake news from my missus...it hasn't been confirmed yet!
Fury Joshua announced
https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12303436/anthony-joshua-vs-tyson-fury-set-to-be-staged-in-saudi-arabia-on-august-7-or-14-says-promoter-eddie-hearn
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Really impressed with Lerrone Richards, first time I've watched him... really slick0
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Yes but he seriously lacks power. He was awful the last time out so needed to look impressive in this one.CAFCsayer said:Really impressed with Lerrone Richards, first time I've watched him... really slick0 -
Like you said, didn't seem to have much power beind his shots but that was punch perfect. European title level and didn't give the other fella winning 30 seconds of that, never mind a round0
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Vicious ko from Buatsi2
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Agree on Richards he has the look, the charisma and the silky skills to be a big star.
but while he was tactically & technically very good it was a dull watch. I never once felt he wanted to get him out of there... was so bored I fast forwarded the 2nd half.
I truly think JB is the real deal he’s an absolute predator. Only problem is this division is pretty loaded and the Champs are serious fighters.2 -
Has to be JB vs Yarde next1
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Hit and don't get hit is the name of the game though. I don't think many people will want to fight him, his footwork and head movement was superb.Maccn05 said:Agree on Richards he has the look, the charisma and the silky skills to be a big star.
but while he was tactically & technically very good it was a dull watch. I never once felt he wanted to get him out of there... was so bored I fast forwarded the 2nd half.
I truly think JB is the real deal he’s an absolute predator. Only problem is this division is pretty loaded and the Champs are serious fighters.1 -
Adam Smith had to talk him up so much during the fight because it was boring to the casual, and boring won't sell.Bolderhumphreyreid said:
Yes but he seriously lacks power. He was awful the last time out so needed to look impressive in this one.CAFCsayer said:Really impressed with Lerrone Richards, first time I've watched him... really slick1
