The thread about Boxing

Seen it again, Canelo was not troubled at all but was landing beefy body shots from the start. 

bobmunro said:

Maccn05 said:

I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.

I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.

I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.

I don't think we'll see him again, period. Very bad injury apparently - multiple fractures of the orbital socket area. He won't come back from that.

Yep, apparently far worse than the one Kell Brook sustained against GGG.

That sort of injury will make him second guess everything that gets thrown at him the ring and will breed a huge amount of uncertainty and caution. Something he may have never experienced before.

Maccn05 said:

Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG

On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared

It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

bobmunro said:

Maccn05 said:

Lets face it Kell Brook hasn't been the same since. He was top draw before that career ending fight with GGG

On that subject the hype for Canelo vs. GGG III seems to have almost disappeared

It will likely come back, Canelo will have to start recycling opponents, although it will be tough, maybe impossible, for him to make middleweight again.

Could move up to light heavyweight?

He's already done that of course - but he could look at Beterbiev.

Realistically he'll have to move up.

Heard him recently say he wants to fight for 7 more years (i'll be pretty surprised if he does) but once he takes out Plant to unify the division there's no one left for him at his current weight except Benavidez.

Jermall Charlo i read is talking about moving up to face him.

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Maccn05 said:

I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.

I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.

I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.

His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.

I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there. 

Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face. 

SELR_addicks said:

Chris_from_Sidcup said:

Maccn05 said:

I'm not aware of any Mexican blood but I had it 6-2 to Canelo maybe 5-3.

I thought BJS just ran and jabbed, Canelo stalked him the whole fight, waited for him to tire and then stepped it up and he couldn't respond. BJS wasn't even close to winning that fight IMO.

I'm a BJS fan as a fighter, he's really talented but as a person (like Fury) he's an idiot and looks even more so after mugging off Dubois and then doing exactly the same. Guess that's karma I don't think we'll see BJS again unless he spunks his money.

His corner pulled him out, and rightly so given the extent of the injury.

I don't think he looked like he wanted to go back out there. 

Seems like the 'corner pulling him out' is to save face. 

Seriously? An injury like that doesn't just end fights, that ends careers. It's not something that you just fight through and the corner were 100% right to call it.

Billy Joe Saunders is a gobby, self assured traveller. You will find people with similar personalities in boxing gyms all over the UK. Gypsies are tough, its just in them, they are also prone to saying and doing incredibly stupid or crass things. 

I signed into the app to let one of the blokes at work watch it and he gave every round to Alvarez for walking down Saunders. I still disagree, regardless of whether or not thats what was happening you don't win rounds of boxing by showing menacing intent. BJS is a career middleweight and has never been a big hitter as his style is coming into the pocket and firing off fast, scoring combinations and moving outside again and he did that well in this fight. @bobmunro has it right. BJS is world level, elite level at doing that but Alvarez is a different level and has another gear, even if I think Golovkin beat him in the first fight. 

Breaking eye sockets and cheekbones is a nasty business and for anyone who has not been in a situation where you are in a physical pugilisitic contest with one of the finest boxers on the planet with an injury like that its probably best not to comment on quitting. Mark Tibbs did the right thing, as did Dominic Ingle for Kell Brook and Daniel Dubois made an unsurprising decision against Joe Joyce. John Murray has no vision in his right eye from not making decisions like that and Kevin Mitchell is lucky to have the use of both eyes still 

Carter said:

Billy Joe Saunders is a gobby, self assured traveller. You will find people with similar personalities in boxing gyms all over the UK. Gypsies are tough, its just in them, they are also prone to saying and doing incredibly stupid or crass things. 

I signed into the app to let one of the blokes at work watch it and he gave every round to Alvarez for walking down Saunders. I still disagree, regardless of whether or not thats what was happening you don't win rounds of boxing by showing menacing intent. BJS is a career middleweight and has never been a big hitter as his style is coming into the pocket and firing off fast, scoring combinations and moving outside again and he did that well in this fight. @bobmunro has it right. BJS is world level, elite level at doing that but Alvarez is a different level and has another gear, even if I think Golovkin beat him in the first fight. 

Breaking eye sockets and cheekbones is a nasty business and for anyone who has not been in a situation where you are in a physical pugilisitic contest with one of the finest boxers on the planet with an injury like that its probably best not to comment on quitting. Mark Tibbs did the right thing, as did Dominic Ingle for Kell Brook and Daniel Dubois made an unsurprising decision against Joe Joyce. John Murray has no vision in his right eye from not making decisions like that and Kevin Mitchell is lucky to have the use of both eyes still 

Well said mate I find it incredibly cringeworthy when casual boxing fans on social media use phrases like 'quitter' or 'he should go out on his shield' etc - total and utter nonsense, and part of the reason why boxing gets so much stick from the chattering classes.

Some people make the mistake of thinking of boxing as different to other sports, and that there is a warrior code, that means you fight through whatever the circumstances - again total nonsense. It is a sport - pure and simple - and if you are badly injured in the ring (like Dubois), then like any other sport, you should get yourself out of harms way, and come back another day - no shame in that.

Any trainer who let their fighter go out with a fractured eye socket/cheekbone should lose their license for life, and I am so glad that Mark Tibbs took the sensible route, as to let BJS continue would have been against his principles of a 'duty of care' to his fighter.

It is irrelevant to me what BJS has said and done before the fight, you don't have to like  him as a person - just admire him as a fighter, and for what it's worth I thought that he nicked a couple of rounds, but as Steve Bunce always says, he was fighting at maximum just to stay in the fight, and over twelve rounds against a legendary fighter like Canelo, that is never going to be enough.

As far Canelo - he is now running out of opponents, surely he'll have to go back up to light heavyweight again?

EDIT: Fake news from my missus...it hasn't been confirmed yet!

Fury Joshua announced 

https://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/12303436/anthony-joshua-vs-tyson-fury-set-to-be-staged-in-saudi-arabia-on-august-7-or-14-says-promoter-eddie-hearn

CAFCsayer said:

Really impressed with Lerrone Richards, first time I've watched him... really slick

Yes but he seriously lacks power. He was awful the last time out so needed to look impressive in this one.

Has to be JB vs Yarde next 

Bolderhumphreyreid said:

CAFCsayer said:

Really impressed with Lerrone Richards, first time I've watched him... really slick

Yes but he seriously lacks power. He was awful the last time out so needed to look impressive in this one.

Adam Smith had to talk him up so much during the fight because it was boring to the casual, and boring won't sell.