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  • EricBanterna
    EricBanterna Posts: 1,740
    That fight last week between Lovejoy and Charr for the wba belt was an absolute farce and just reiterates the points above.

    Its all about the money and protecting that 0 till they can cash out.
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,252
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 
    It'll be shown here, free, although no guarantees that the stream will be perfect:

    http://crackstreams.is/boxingstreams/watch-espn-ramirez-vs-taylor/

    Also here on PPV:

    https://www.fite.tv/watch/top-rank-ramirez-vs-taylor/2p9bp/

  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    Manny Pacquiao is set for his first fight in two years when he faces WBC and IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr in August.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Manny Pacquiao is set for his first fight in two years when he faces WBC and IBF welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr in August.

    Three months to get the juice working!
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Spence should be fighting Crawford. Agree with what was said above, the best should be fighting each other any time,.any place (well, preferably not Saudi Arabia...)
  • Blackheathen
    Blackheathen Posts: 6,656
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
    For me, Marciano just top 10 - Tyson outside the top 10.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.


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  • Blackheathen
    Blackheathen Posts: 6,656
    bobmunro said:
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
    For me, Marciano just top 10 - Tyson outside the top 10.
    Depends does it Bob whether you are judging a fighter at his best midway through his career - or overall.  Marciano was unbeaten over his career.  So many boxers carry on well past their prime.  Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali prime examples.
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Some interesting fights on Channel 5, just watched Stephen McKenna whoop someone, and then it's Sam eggingtons latest throw of the dice
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
    For me, Marciano just top 10 - Tyson outside the top 10.
    Depends does it Bob whether you are judging a fighter at his best midway through his career - or overall.  Marciano was unbeaten over his career.  So many boxers carry on well past their prime.  Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali prime examples.
    Many factors - overall career, at their best, and probably more importantly who they fought, and an attempt to match boxers from different eras.
    Marciano’s most memorable wins came against over the hill fighters - the rest were middling at best. Tyson was a scary man but a bit of a one trick pony. If he didn’t win quickly he struggled - and was found out against the better opponents.

    All opinions, no facts!
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
    Carlos Monzon probably the best pound for pound fighter of his day. 
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Eggington up for me against Molina at the halfway stage. I like eggington, he unpredictable
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Clear winner but cards wider than it looked to me
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,345
    One judge had it 119 - 109
  • bobmunro
    bobmunro Posts: 20,852
    Starinnaddick said:
    Blackheathen said:
    bobmunro said:
    Carter said:
    Ignore Mayweather as good as he was but I'm taking him out because of his fascination with getting to 50 without loss 

    Pacquiao, Cotton, Corralles, Froch all fighters in modern times who have fought whoever is out there. Add Alvarez to that as well although he has been cleverly managed fighting a lot of people at the right time but even so to have done what he did to BJS and Callus Smith in 2 of his last 3 is impressive 

    I'll always be more keen to too a good fight rather than the man of that makes sense. 

    I'm hoping that guys like Dubois who now has a loss on his record change that as there was no shame in losing the fight he did at the time he did to who he fought. Lennox Lewis for me is one of the best 5 if not 3 heavyweights of all time but he got starched a couple of times and came back from both. 

    I dont want boxing to become UFC but more fights like Ramirez v Taylor who are both men who fight everyone the better. And astonishingly I can't find anywhere I can watch that fight so shows the contempt promoters and TV have for actual fans of the sport 

    100% agree on Lennox.

    Also, Ali lost 5 times, Joe Louis 3 times (and those two are in the argument with most people as to the greatest heavyweight of all time), and arguably the best P4P of all time Ray Robinson lost 19 times.

    Carlos Monzon lost 3 times and drew 9 times - the best middleweight in my lifetime and second only to SRR in the all-time list.


    I’m always fascinated by these discussions but why is Rocky Marciano not in the mix and of course Mike Tyson.
    Carlos Monzon probably the best pound for pound fighter of his day. 
    Without a shadow of doubt.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Ring walks for Taylor expected at 2am now, rather than the 4am mentioned in the media previously
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    Starinnaddick said:
    One judge had it 119 - 109
    Crazy

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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Fury and Wilder 3 signed. A fight that no one wants.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    Kenny Bayless showing yet again why he's probably the most bent ref in the game.

    Saved Mayweather from defeat, due to being on his payroll, and now trying to do all he can to help Ramirez.

    Come on Josh!!!!
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    edited May 2021
    114-112 are some bizarre scores for that dominant performance
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Big_Bad_World said:
    Kenny Bayless showing yet again why he's probably the most bent ref in the game.

    Saved Mayweather from defeat, due to being on his payroll, and now trying to do all he can to help Ramirez.

    Come on Josh!!!!
    Gave Ramirez an absolute age to recover after the knock-downs
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,863
    Amazing achievement but imagine that like me, non boxing aficionados have probably never even heard of him. 

    Hope he gets the public recognition this deserves. 
  • Carter
    Carter Posts: 14,252
    Watched it this morning, didn't make it live 

    What a performance again by now the best light welter on the planet. Shameful that no mainstream broadcaster picked it up but whatever 

    Referee poor and visibly biased to Ramirez who turned up too and was live all the way through and a threat 

    I remember before the Ohara Davis fight I called it as an easy Taylor victory and he just keeps laying waste to everyone. Properly decent amateur who has seamlessly glided into the professional game. 

    The United Kingdom can legitimately say we now have a pound for pound current great and a legend in the making 
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,231
    Ffs, thought this was next weekend! Will watch it back later, what an achievement!
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,034
    Croydon said:
    Fury and Wilder 3 signed. A fight that no one wants.
    Including the fighters!
  • Maccn05
    Maccn05 Posts: 967
    Surely now Sky have lost Matchroom they should be doing everything they can to work with MTK and bring in a legit world class fighter like Taylor?

    I’m interested to see what they do next or will they just walk away from boxing.

    Criminal that nobody picked this fight up. Well done Josh!
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Croydon said:
    Fury and Wilder 3 signed. A fight that no one wants.
    Including the fighters!
    Fury did a two minute hype job last night, and I'm already bored of it. Can see a lot of fans becoming tired of it, especially those who'll think Fury has somehow bottled the AJ fight, and PPV numbers for the fight will be poor.

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