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Ok thanks, 6pts directly won via his winning goals. We can put the shine on it, or off it as we would wish,based on our opinions of him. The discipline based on minutes on the pitch isn’t very reliable is it?. Obviously we can’t forget the clowning around from the majority of our defence may well have helped figures. However for me chuks isn’t the one I’ll be hanging my hopes on. I don’t rate him as highly as some others obviously. He is at his level in my opinion, no better no worse which is why I’m happy for him to go. If he was better than league 1 he would never have played for us.Athletico Charlton said:
We drew 5 games he scored in and won two 1-0 where he scored. We beat Lincoln 3-1 when he scored and assisted. That is to name the key point changers of his goals.paulfox said:
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.
He was sent off once and carded 9 times in 38 game involvements.0 -
OK, but is there a better sub in League One? He turned games, not just where he scored. Why would we not want that weapon in our arsenal when subs play such a crucial part? He'd be about the last person I'd want to see come on against us with 30 minutes to go. Hope he stays, even if we do only get 30 minutes a match.11
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I would hope we don’t have to always wait until 30mins to go to win games!! If he’s that good why doesn’t he play the 1st 30 mins, based on that opinion we’d have won the game by halftime.would he have scored15 starting games?.Jonniesta said:OK, but is there a better sub in League One? He turned games, not just where he scored. Why would we not want that weapon in our arsenal when subs play such a crucial part? He'd be about the last person I'd want to see come on against us with 30 minutes to go. Hope he stays, even if we do only get 30 minutes a match.0 -
You’re right. We should be winning 5-0 after 60 minutes every game and just never need any subs.paulfox said:
I would hope we don’t have to always wait until 30mins to go to win games!! If he’s that good why doesn’t he play the 1st 30 mins, based on that opinion we’d have won the game by halftime.would he have scored15 starting games?.Jonniesta said:OK, but is there a better sub in League One? He turned games, not just where he scored. Why would we not want that weapon in our arsenal when subs play such a crucial part? He'd be about the last person I'd want to see come on against us with 30 minutes to go. Hope he stays, even if we do only get 30 minutes a match.
No one is saying pull out all the stops to keep him, but I’d far rather have him playing for us than against us this year.5 -
Do we still have five subs next season? Having only three could potentially impact decision making on what sort of deal to offer.
It’s not ideal to have one of three spots permanently reserved for one player every game, doesn’t give the other strikers much of a chance when on the bench.1 -
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.2 -
Even if it is just an U18 player it's really weird that fan accounts are announcing signings before the club.ForeverAddickted said:First signing of the season...
Ryan Viggars has signed a pro contract after appearing for the U18s in the Play-Offs, guess he comes in after being released by Sheffield United, Wales youth International.
Photo has been taken from the players Instagram
He looked good in the Wigan game though so happy with this0 -
They could offer him more than we are, but I bet their overall budget is less than ours.J BLOCK said:
It’s not bitter, it’s shock that Shrewsbury are (potentially) offering a better contract than ‘premier league in 5 years time’ CharltonDazzler21 said:So many bitter people Aneke is out of contract, let him go where he wants.
If it isn't here, I don't want him here.0 -
He could score a hattrick and we lose 4-3.Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.
Still no points.2 - Sponsored links:
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It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.0
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Mendonca got a hat trick but we only drew.Addickted said:
He could score a hattrick and we lose 4-3.Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.
Still no points.2 -
Yeah but Schwartz is shit so no.Shrew said:It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.
(This was sarcasm btw.)3 -
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Gallen and Parkes back off holiday next week - things should start moving13
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As others have said above, I don't understand why we don't make a best and final offer to a player - no mucking around with offering x, knowing the player will want y and settling on somewhere in the middle - and give the player 21 days to accept it. If he hasn't accepted it after 21 days, the offer is withdrawn and not re-instated if a later date if the player finds he can't get a better offer elsewhere.
That way, we know exactly where we stand and can start looking for replacements at an early stage instead of desperately trying to get faces through the door before the deadline.
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How do you know that hasn’t happened?Fortune 82nd Minute said:As others have said above, I don't understand why we don't make a best and final offer to a player - no mucking around with offering x, knowing the player will want y and settling on somewhere in the middle - and give the player 21 days to accept it. If he hasn't accepted it after 21 days, the offer is withdrawn and not re-instated if a later date if the player finds he can't get a better offer elsewhere.
That way, we know exactly where we stand and can start looking for replacements at an early stage instead of desperately trying to get faces through the door before the deadline.3 -
Rather than being a smart arse, read the discussion being made!, we were discussing the worth of having someone coming on for 30 mins in a game and knicking the odd goal to add to there tally.believe it or not, I’m happy and accepting of the fact people don’t all agree. But I don’t insist on digging someone out with a shit I’m better than you comment because of it.ffs!!🙄Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.2 -
Bit of an overreaction...paulfox said:
Rather than being a smart arse, read the discussion being made!, we were discussing the worth of having someone coming on for 30 mins in a game and knicking the odd goal to add to there tally.believe it or not, I’m happy and accepting of the fact people don’t all agree. But I don’t insist on digging someone out with a shit I’m better than you comment because of it.ffs!!🙄Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.1 -
👍👍Chunes said:
Bit of an overreaction...paulfox said:
Rather than being a smart arse, read the discussion being made!, we were discussing the worth of having someone coming on for 30 mins in a game and knicking the odd goal to add to there tally.believe it or not, I’m happy and accepting of the fact people don’t all agree. But I don’t insist on digging someone out with a shit I’m better than you comment because of it.ffs!!🙄Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.0 - Sponsored links:
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The player announced it himself on Instagram... They've just spotted it on thereLeeds_Addick said:
Even if it is just an U18 player it's really weird that fan accounts are announcing signings before the club.ForeverAddickted said:First signing of the season...
Ryan Viggars has signed a pro contract after appearing for the U18s in the Play-Offs, guess he comes in after being released by Sheffield United, Wales youth International.
Photo has been taken from the players Instagram
He looked good in the Wigan game though so happy with this2 -
I don't.Stu_of_Kunming said:
How do you know that hasn’t happened?Fortune 82nd Minute said:As others have said above, I don't understand why we don't make a best and final offer to a player - no mucking around with offering x, knowing the player will want y and settling on somewhere in the middle - and give the player 21 days to accept it. If he hasn't accepted it after 21 days, the offer is withdrawn and not re-instated if a later date if the player finds he can't get a better offer elsewhere.
That way, we know exactly where we stand and can start looking for replacements at an early stage instead of desperately trying to get faces through the door before the deadline.
If like last year Adam Matthews doesn't resign until after the season has started we'll know it hasn't.0 -
But 15 goals is not the odd goal, it put him joint 12th in the top scorers table with the lowest goals per minute ratio (by a mile from most who finished above him). The fact our defence regularly let us down by conceeding soft goals which meant not all his goals counted is nothing to do with Aneke.paulfox said:
Rather than being a smart arse, read the discussion being made!, we were discussing the worth of having someone coming on for 30 mins in a game and knicking the odd goal to add to there tally.believe it or not, I’m happy and accepting of the fact people don’t all agree. But I don’t insist on digging someone out with a shit I’m better than you comment because of it.ffs!!🙄Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.
His goals you don't count as they are not "dissisive" include giving us a 2 goal cushion late on v Swindon and Pompey... How many times when we have not done that have we let in last minute equalizers...
You also ignored the 5 points won by draws his goals secured us and the fact his assist and goal secured us the Lincoln win.
He is a very decent asset in L1 and no way we end up with 4 strikers better than him.
Of course he is only worth so much money, but at 27 I think keeping him for another two years is good business as I see him as having the ability and power to step up to the Championship too.
For Aneke himself I suspect that with 2 years of data and a very strong looking medical team now at Charlton (including our managers background), we are actually now the perfect place for him too.
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How does anyone, other than those involved, know we haven’t?Fortune 82nd Minute said:As others have said above, I don't understand why we don't make a best and final offer to a player - no mucking around with offering x, knowing the player will want y and settling on somewhere in the middle - and give the player 21 days to accept it. If he hasn't accepted it after 21 days, the offer is withdrawn and not re-instated if a later date if the player finds he can't get a better offer elsewhere.
That way, we know exactly where we stand and can start looking for replacements at an early stage instead of desperately trying to get faces through the door before the deadline.0 -
Ok I respect your opinion and you are expressing your opinion without being an arse!!😂. I don’t agree that he’s good enough for championship football because if he was we wouldn’t be wondering if he is going to stay, infact he probably wouldn’t have ever played for us. At the end of the day his contribution was part of a poor effort of getting promoted so should be judged as such...average at best!. If he stayed and banged in 20+ goals and played more minutes I’d happily eat humble pie as I support whoever where’s the shirt wether I think they are good or not. But I doubt we’ll find out!!.Athletico Charlton said:
But 15 goals is not the odd goal, it put him joint 12th in the top scorers table with the lowest goals per minute ratio (by a mile from most who finished above him). The fact our defence regularly let us down by conceeding soft goals which meant not all his goals counted is nothing to do with Aneke.paulfox said:
Rather than being a smart arse, read the discussion being made!, we were discussing the worth of having someone coming on for 30 mins in a game and knicking the odd goal to add to there tally.believe it or not, I’m happy and accepting of the fact people don’t all agree. But I don’t insist on digging someone out with a shit I’m better than you comment because of it.ffs!!🙄Chunes said:
So a striker's goals only count if the goals win the game... Well that's a novel argument.paulfox said: to
Just out of interest, and I don’t know as haven’t looked. How many of the 15 goals scored by him were the reason for winning 3pts? Whenever he started a game he was absolutely pony. So is the value of having him to bring on late beneficial to actually winning games or does it boost his ego by scoring against tired teams? I find him clumsy, has the turning circle of the titanic and fouls and gets petulant when things aren’t going his way. Other than that he’s ok. But over rated aswell.Athletico Charlton said:paulfox said:If chuks has it in his mind to look elsewhere, then so should we, he’d be no big loss in my opinion, get someone who wants to be at Charlton and can play for 90 mins if required. He was part of a team that failed so doesn’t deserve us begging him to stay.
Each to their own but I don't get the rationale. He is better than L1 on his day and if we bought in a striker who played 90 mins every game and got 20 in a season we would all love them. Chuks got 15 playing 20-30mins each game.
Next season, best case he finds.a way with our suddenly impressive looking medical team to play more and scores 20+ or does same as this season and wins us plenty of points from the bench.
Would rather have him playing for us than someone else. It is not easy to replace 15 goals and his power and overall game.
Mooney wanted to be at Charlton, he was crap. I would rather have the best players.
His goals you don't count as they are not "dissisive" include giving us a 2 goal cushion late on v Swindon and Pompey... How many times when we have not done that have we let in last minute equalizers...
You also ignored the 5 points won by draws his goals secured us and the fact his assist and goal secured us the Lincoln win.
He is a very decent asset in L1 and no way we end up with 4 strikers better than him.
Of course he is only worth so much money, but at 27 I think keeping him for another two years is good business as I see him as having the ability and power to step up to the Championship too.
For Aneke himself I suspect that with 2 years of data and a very strong looking medical team now at Charlton (including our managers background), we are actually now the perfect place for him too.0 -
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be. Europe (thanks to Brexit) is no different from the rest of the world. And players need a visa to work here. It is a points-based system. If you are an international superstar, no problem. If you are an unknown playing in the lower leagues, then far from straightforward. Details here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/28/football-and-brexit-a-guide-to-the-new-rules.Shrew said:It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.
As the article points out some highly successful additions to playing squads, like Teemu Pukki, would have failed to get a work permit under the new rules.2 -
Good. Sick of foreigners coming over here, scoring our goalscafcfan said:
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be. Europe (thanks to Brexit) is no different from the rest of the world. And players need a visa to work here. It is a points-based system. If you are an international superstar, no problem. If you are an unknown playing in the lower leagues, then far from straightforward. Details here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/28/football-and-brexit-a-guide-to-the-new-rules.Shrew said:It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.
As the article points out some highly successful additions to playing squads, like Teemu Pukki, would have failed to get a work permit under the new rules.18 -
Typically of Charlton we couldnt even find a Striker to do thatElliotCAFC said:
Good. Sick of foreigners coming over here, scoring our goalscafcfan said:
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be. Europe (thanks to Brexit) is no different from the rest of the world. And players need a visa to work here. It is a points-based system. If you are an international superstar, no problem. If you are an unknown playing in the lower leagues, then far from straightforward. Details here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/28/football-and-brexit-a-guide-to-the-new-rules.Shrew said:It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.
As the article points out some highly successful additions to playing squads, like Teemu Pukki, would have failed to get a work permit under the new rules.
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So we had one last chance to get a foreign bargain ... instead we got Ronnie who’s next to useless. Same old Charlton 🤣🤣🤣cafcfan said:
Nowhere near as easy as it used to be. Europe (thanks to Brexit) is no different from the rest of the world. And players need a visa to work here. It is a points-based system. If you are an international superstar, no problem. If you are an unknown playing in the lower leagues, then far from straightforward. Details here: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/28/football-and-brexit-a-guide-to-the-new-rules.Shrew said:It feels like there’s a bunch of league one clubs all after the same players , I feel we need to be looking further afield and the European leagues. Commitment, skill, game awareness and physicality trump, any previous experience of league one or the English game for me.
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I haven’t given up on Ronnie think there’s a goalscorer there needs a chance a run of games25
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