The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
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It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man until their mid 30s with previous competitive weight lifting experience and now identifies as a woman having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
Even that doesn't mean she doesn't have an unfair advantage a) from being born male and b) from transitioning after puberty.
What is harder to determine is how much in what sports etc
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
Yes, you are right there... I'm wrong on that point and have edited my post above to reflect that.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
She broke records as a junior male.
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
She broke records as a junior male.
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
She broke records as a junior male.
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
How do you know that for a fact?
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
The talk about how transgender athletes were going to 'dominate' events and have an unfair advantage.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man and competitive weightlifter until their mid 30s and now identifies as a women having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
Not true, Laurel Hubbard said she quit lifting when she was 21 and then only started lifting again after her transition.
So a previously non elite male athlete was able to qualify for the women’s competition.
Surely that’s more damming for this argument?
She broke records as a junior male.
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
How do you know that for a fact?
I don't know it for a fact because it is unprovable. However the junior records in new Zealand that Hubbard set aged 20 and male do not translate to likely elite Olympic male lifts.
Regardless, the point being that as a male he held a junior weight lifting record which is no mean feat AND was born male and therefore has significant advantage over women who were born female as there are inherent physiological differences when it comes to strength and athletics beyond the arbitrary testosterone/ hormone levels that have been ushered in to give a false perception of fairness and level playing field.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
How do you know that for a fact?
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
How on earth do you deduce that 'if she had an unfair advantage she would have won'? That is ridiculous logic. She has an unfair advantage but still didn't win.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
How do you know that for a fact?
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
How on earth do you deduce that 'if she had an unfair advantage she would have won'? That is ridiculous logic. She has an unfair advantage but still didn't win.
Let's see how many 40 year old biological females are competing at the Olympics
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https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/07/05/olympics-testosterone-sprinters/
That is absurd if they then compete in the 200m!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics/2021/08/02/world-athletics-absurd-testosterone-rules-spotlight-athletes/
Edit; they both come 2nd in their semi finals.
She didn't perform a single successful lift and the Chinese athlete has lifted more than Hubbard has in her lifetime.
She still had an unfair advantage, but despite it, she still isn't good enough.
Men might have an advantage over women but it doesn't mean they'd be faster/win against them
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It's grossly unfair on the New Zealand athletes and other women who did not qualify based on that place being taken up by a person who was a man until their mid 30s with previous competitive weight lifting experience and now identifies as a woman having taken their place based on inherent biological advantages.
What is harder to determine is how much in what sports etc
Yes, you are right there... I'm wrong on that point and have edited my post above to reflect that.
We don't know how she would have competed as an adult male.
Would have got nowhere near the men's olympics which kind of proves the point. No born female would qualify for the male weightlifting events because of the inherent physiological differences that go deeper than hormone and testosterone.
I sympathise for Hubbard and I am sure she did not want to be thrust into the media spotlight but have far greater sympathy for women who have been hugely and unfairly disadvantaged and missed out on the olympics because of Hubbard's unfair advantage inherent of being born in a male body.
She is training just as hard as all the other female weightlifters around the world. If she did have an unfair advantage she would win.
There a huge amount of stories about how men not at world-level quality manage to beat world-level females. Surely if Laurel was getting so much advantage, she'd do the same after training 24/7 for the event?
Some headlines just write themselves!
I don't know it for a fact because it is unprovable. However the junior records in new Zealand that Hubbard set aged 20 and male do not translate to likely elite Olympic male lifts.
Regardless, the point being that as a male he held a junior weight lifting record which is no mean feat AND was born male and therefore has significant advantage over women who were born female as there are inherent physiological differences when it comes to strength and athletics beyond the arbitrary testosterone/ hormone levels that have been ushered in to give a false perception of fairness and level playing field.
Let's see how many 40 year old biological females are competing at the Olympics