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ShootersHillGuru said:Said it before that I thought the rebuild would need to take a few windows. Build a real quality first eleven and decent alternatives. Much prefer signing two really good players each window and getting there over three windows. Fill in gaps with loans until the quality is reached.
Another "plan" that is completely invalid in league 1.
If we sign no more players we will probably lose nearer 10 than 5 million this season and rinse and repeat next season. It costs more to not spend money! If Roland had spent an extra 5 or so million in the slade season it would have saved him 15 in the long run.2 -
I don’t see Crewe selling Dale for £500k even if he has just the year left on contract. They’ll look to get more than that for him if they are even willing to sell or he wants to leave.0
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SELR_addicks said:BR7_addick said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
So those who are going to make silly comparisons between Roland’s 6 years of transfers and TS’s 11 months, at least do it properly rather than half the story that you feel suits your narrative.Roland was an absolute shambles.1 -
superdulvertonred said:Cannot believe the number of unhappy people on here. We are in my opinion in a much better position than we have been for years. A engaged and enthusiastic owner who I don’t think anyone can argue against is laying solid foundations for the club to improve
A experienced and successful manager with a good back room staff.
I think we have made excellent acquisitions for this level so far and every confidence there will be more before the window shuts
Good academy players coming through who may not be ready to play a significant part in the first team yet but the future looks bright
And yet after a perfectly acceptable first league game and I agree a poor cup performance people are looking at relegation odds having a pop at the owner and manager writing off the new signings and the academy players and generally going into meltdown
I am not saying we will blow through this league but am confident we will be in the promotion picture at the end of the season
come on people less negatively on here COYR
Good post though, i agree with everything you've said.1 -
doronron said:cafc999 said:Macronate said:Dazzler21 said:Just because Golfie is bigging up Roland... Here's his first three years ins and outs for the first team squad - because I got bored. It seems having loads of players doesn't guarantee success at all!
Care free signings are as dangerous as too few.
Players sold:
Joe Gomez £4.4m
Liverpool announced £3.5 million, Cafc said undisclosed but there were add-on's which have pushed the figure higher. For Cafc sake a fit Joe deciding he fancies living and playing in Paris and giving the ball to the star players may be beneficial for our money stream !
The reason given for the low figure was if it was too high it wouldn't have been signed by Joe. Multi sources reported this.
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Weren't clubs being quoted £1m for just Dale earlier in the window? Maybe we've finally got to that stage of the window where it's take what's there8
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CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake4 -
soapboxsam said:doronron said:cafc999 said:Macronate said:Dazzler21 said:Just because Golfie is bigging up Roland... Here's his first three years ins and outs for the first team squad - because I got bored. It seems having loads of players doesn't guarantee success at all!
Care free signings are as dangerous as too few.
Players sold:
Joe Gomez £4.4m
Liverpool announced £3.5 million, Cafc said undisclosed but there were add-on's which have pushed the figure higher. For Cafc sake a fit Joe deciding he fancies living and playing in Paris and giving the ball to the star players may be beneficial for our money stream !
The reason given for the low figure was if it was too high it wouldn't have been signed by Joe. Multi sources reported this.1 -
BR7_addick said:SELR_addicks said:BR7_addick said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
So those who are going to make silly comparisons between Roland’s 6 years of transfers and TS’s 11 months, at least do it properly rather than half the story that you feel suits your narrative.Roland was an absolute shambles.5 -
MarcusH26 said:Weren't clubs being quoted £1m for just Dale earlier in the window? Maybe we've finally got to that stage of the window where it's take what's there
Buying club know this and come back with 500k. Selling club has no other option but to do a cut price deal in the next 2 weeks or risk not being able to afford to get through the next few months.4 - Sponsored links:
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:MarcusH26 said:Weren't clubs being quoted £1m for just Dale earlier in the window? Maybe we've finally got to that stage of the window where it's take what's there
Buying club know this and come back with 500k. Selling club has no other option but to do a cut price deal in the next 2 weeks or risk not being able to afford to get through the next few months.
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thenewbie said:Covered_End_Lad said:Scoham said:Covered_End_Lad said:Think Kirk is still pretty much done. Obviously the kid needs time to grieve.
Something like that could easily make him think he would rather stay with his family and move on next year instead, however the noises I’m hearing are suggesting he will still press on with the deal. Understandably he will want to take time to grieve and support his family before making that decision.
Like, what in other businesses would be compassionate leave or whatever, could we do the deal now but he doesn't necessarily join us in person yet.4 -
RonnieMoore said:Scoham said:bobmunro said:Dazzler21 said:Here's how ( I think) Transfers may be working.
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Adkins suggests the kind of players he needs, gives the requirements of what they MUST have and probably even names some that do the job of such players.
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Gallen goes out, taps up contacts and uses his relationships to find players that match Adkins requirements - Comes back to Adkins to check suitability
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When NA & SG are happy I'd hope it was straight to Sandgaard, but I fear this is where Roddy steps in. I don't get what he does, but he basically has to also ratify the signing before it can get to Sandgaard. Maybe he's acting as some sort of buffer to ensure we don't put forward signings over a certain price that don't add enough resale value etc?
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When it gets to Sandgaard I would assume the case is put forward on what the player brings, what their resale potential might be, how much we might need to spend to get them and whether they may or may not be able to make the step up.
Alternative
The other thing that may occur is you roll up the meetings where Gallen comes back to a 4-way between Adkins, Gallen, Roddy & Sandgaard and they thrash it out whilst chugging Monster's and listening to rap metal.
1. Owner (TS) sets the budget (transfer fee and wages)
2. Manager (NA) tells head of recruitment (SG) who/what he wants.
3. Head of recruitment draws up a shortlist
4. Manager reviews shortlist and selects those he wants to pursue.
5. Head of recruitment asks current club for permission to talk to player (yes, I know!!).
6. If player is interested the CEO (we don't have one but it could be Roddy in this instance) negotiates with player/club/agent within the confines of the budgets set in 1) above.
7. If agreement (within budget) is reached then player signs).
8. If agreement cannot be reached but manager wants to pursue further then CEO discusses budget with owner. If it can be increased then repeat 6) and 7).
9. If no agreement reached within an acceptable budget then all parties move on.
For us point 6 may be the issue.8 -
The deals are on the table .. as the club confirmed4
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LargeAddick said:thenewbie said:Covered_End_Lad said:Scoham said:Covered_End_Lad said:Think Kirk is still pretty much done. Obviously the kid needs time to grieve.
Something like that could easily make him think he would rather stay with his family and move on next year instead, however the noises I’m hearing are suggesting he will still press on with the deal. Understandably he will want to take time to grieve and support his family before making that decision.
Like, what in other businesses would be compassionate leave or whatever, could we do the deal now but he doesn't necessarily join us in person yet.0 -
RonnieMoore said:The deals are on the table .. as the club confirmed5
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shine166 said:RonnieMoore said:The deals are on the table .. as the club confirmed1
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BR7_addick said:SELR_addicks said:BR7_addick said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
So those who are going to make silly comparisons between Roland’s 6 years of transfers and TS’s 11 months, at least do it properly rather than half the story that you feel suits your narrative.Roland was an absolute shambles.0 -
Baah to Donny annoys me. Ripped us apart last season, plays in a position we desperately need.25
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RonnieMoore said:The deals are on the table .. as the club confirmed2
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RonnieMoore said:The deals are on the table .. as the club confirmed9
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Scoham said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:MarcusH26 said:Weren't clubs being quoted £1m for just Dale earlier in the window? Maybe we've finally got to that stage of the window where it's take what's there
Buying club know this and come back with 500k. Selling club has no other option but to do a cut price deal in the next 2 weeks or risk not being able to afford to get through the next few months.1 -
Dazzler21 said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
Couldn't remember date of take over, just went from end of August tbh.1 -
J BLOCK said:Baah to Donny annoys me. Ripped us apart last season, plays in a position we desperately need.
Just a thought but maybe Baah has always fancied living in Doncaster....8 -
cs1986 said:BR7_addick said:SELR_addicks said:BR7_addick said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
So those who are going to make silly comparisons between Roland’s 6 years of transfers and TS’s 11 months, at least do it properly rather than half the story that you feel suits your narrative.Roland was an absolute shambles.2 -
CL_Phantom said:Dazzler21 said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
Couldn't remember date of take over, just went from end of August tbh.1 -
DubaiCAFC said:CL_Phantom said:Dazzler21 said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
Couldn't remember date of take over, just went from end of August tbh.
Edit: Phillips was shortly after he got here.3 -
BR7_addick said:cs1986 said:BR7_addick said:SELR_addicks said:BR7_addick said:CL_Phantom said:BR7_addick said:golfaddick said:ForeverAddickted said:Rothko said:Quiet enjoying the revisionism of the RD eraNow give us a list of key players that Roland sold off for nothing/lower than market value Vs what TS has sold??
Roland outsButton undiscSmith undiscStephens undiscAlnwick freeYann undiscHughes freeCook freeCourt freeevina freeGower freeHolland's freeHamer freeGreen freePritchard freeDevite freePoyet compoWood freeMorrison freeBen haim freeLepoint undiscGomez 3.5 millionChurch freeEagles releasedEtheridge freeOnyewu releasedBikey cancelledWilson releasedWiggins undiscNego freeVaz te freeMoussa freeParzyszeck freeReza releasedMotta releasedPiggott releasedTucudean releasedDimitovic freeCousins undiscGudmundsson undiscPope undiscHenderson freeHarriot undiscBergdich releasedDiarra releasedLookman - 11 millionFoley releasedFox undiscBa releasedChicksen releasedJohnson releasedTexiera undiscCeballos undiscWatt undiscNovak undiscHolmes undiscCrofts releasedKonsa undiscLennon undiscMagennis undiscKashi releasedGrant undiscClarke freeAjose releasedAribo compoBauer freeFosu freeMarshall freeReeves freeParker freeVentokelle freeDijksteel undiscSandgaard outsLockyer freeBonne undisc (2mil)Phillips undiscLapslie undiscDoughty undiscBogle undiscWilliams undiscAmos freeAneke freeMadison releasedDeji releasedOztumer releasedPratley releasedShinnie releasedFor curiosities sake
So those who are going to make silly comparisons between Roland’s 6 years of transfers and TS’s 11 months, at least do it properly rather than half the story that you feel suits your narrative.Roland was an absolute shambles.0 -
J BLOCK said:Baah to Donny annoys me. Ripped us apart last season, plays in a position we desperately need.2
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