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  • If he has signed on loan, does anybody know when? Is he eligible for today’s game?
    Its not been announced on the OS yet.

    So in that case I'd be extremely surprised if we've kept it quiet since midday yesterday.
    Fair enough but that's what we have been fed for ages isn't in "lots going on behind the scenes", nice and quiet, so who knows, could all be cleared paperwork wise for today :*
    I'll certainly be having a little giggle when the team sheet gets announced if he's on there

    I dont see why teams dont do it more... e.g. we didnt say anything about Forster-Caskey's injury ahead of the Sunderland game until that moment, so why not do it with signings as well if everything has been signed off in time.
  • BigRedEvil
    BigRedEvil Posts: 11,071
    Only thing I'd question about Arter is why forest who are bottom of the league don't fancy him. 

    But he should still be good enough for L1
  • Similar reactions from Sheffield Wednesday fans when we signed Michael Morrison from them. For some reason it just doesn’t work at some clubs. I’d be happy with him back.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Think that would leave us needing a left back, back up right sided centre back, and striker.


    I agree but if we signed someone like Omole then Adkins could see him as LB and CB cover. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Despite all the Watson jokes, I can't forget that the big fish came to us as Forest's player of the year.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
  • kentaddick
    kentaddick Posts: 18,729
    Arter would be a great signing at this level, add to that the “unfinished business”. He is getting on a bit though. 
  • _MrDick
    _MrDick Posts: 13,104
    My mood has been lifted with the news that Harry Arter might be joining 


  • DamoNorthStand
    DamoNorthStand Posts: 10,934
    Think that would leave us needing a left back, back up right sided centre back, and striker.


    I agree but if we signed someone like Omole then Adkins could see him as LB and CB cover. 
    Think we need a quality out and out left back - especially for Adkins current system. 
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  • Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing

    Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
  • cafcfan1990
    cafcfan1990 Posts: 12,811
    Think that would leave us needing a left back, back up right sided centre back, and striker.


    I agree but if we signed someone like Omole then Adkins could see him as LB and CB cover. 
    Think we need a quality out and out left back - especially for Adkins current system. 
    I don't disagree, I think we need a LB and a CB. But if we only sign one I can see us signing one that can play both, particularly given rumours of Bridge and Omole who both fit that. 
  • Leuth said:
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
    Yes, they were.
    We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
  • Maccn05 said:
    I’ll be the voice of caution here…

    flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)

    He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.

    Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
    I'll be curious to see what happens with Tom Lowery if he remains @ Crewe beyond the Window.

    He's clearly not going to play, even for the U23s if he doesnt sign a new deal

    So does he sign something with a bit of a pathetic release clause so they get something for him next season... Or does it drag on and Crewe end up selling him for even less come January, a bit like what we were forced to do with Doughty.
  • I did I didn’t realise that arter was 31. That’s relatively young in terms of Charlton midfielders
  • Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing

    Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
    Well he was a PL regular in 16-17 and again in 18-19 and now he's 31 and coming to league one, so i'd say it's pretty obvious his best days are behind him.

    But he should be more than capable of pulling the strings in this division, he's not past it. Unfair to compare him to Watson who is 36. I think he'll be a decent signing*

    *i also thought this when Gunter signed.
  • Arter certainly has all the signs of being a very good signing

    Just being a little bit cautious for the time being that he's not going to be another Ben Watson and his best days are behind him - Unfortunately it gets to a point for all where players just cant perform to the level expected.
    Any new player carries that risk. Arter is 31 not 36. At his age you would expect that major injury aside, he should be still 99% effective. Footballers these days are fitter and better prepared than ever before. A 31 year old who still has the mental drive should be still near his peak.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Leuth said:
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
    Yes, they were.
    We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
    If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
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  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,801
    Good signing for this level, experienced, good on ball, can play a pass. Midfield looking a lot better already
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
    Yes, they were.
    We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
    If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
    Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w.  He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance 

    You weren't at Milton Keynes then!
  • Football is chock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows. 
  • KiwiValley
    KiwiValley Posts: 3,379
    Football is cock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows. 
    Edited you post for accuracy 
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,735
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
    Yes, they were.
    We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
    If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
    Absolute nonsense . 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    Leuth said:
    This is why I'd advise caution for now. Admittedly, Arter has shown he can do it at a much higher level - but were Sunderland fans wrong about Dobson?
    Yes, they were.
    We haven’t given him someone to pass to in midfield who can then make plays. Dobson sits in front of the back four well and collects the ball to pass it on. Since the Wednesday game, we’ve simply reverted to our back four lumping it up to Stockley
    If that was the sum total of Dobson's job, you or I could do it. He's been torrid and has had to be substituted almost every game
    Totally disagree. He was mom against sheff w.  He played well against Wigan and soon as he was substituted, our midfield collapsed. He was substituted because we changed tactics and formation, not because of performance 

    You weren't at Milton Keynes then!
    Even if true that makes it more good games than bad and certainly not "torrid." He's never going to be a dynamic playmaker type but we don't need him to be.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    Football is cock full of players that for myriad reasons struggle at one club and thrive at another. It is the job of the Gallens of this world to identify those young players who for whatever reason don’t make the expected progress from their early potential and decide whether or not there is a bargain to be had. Sometimes it will pay off and other times it won’t. I certainly haven’t written off either Dobson or Clare. I very much doubt either we’re brought in to be immediate first team starters but as squad players with potential. I don’t think either were or are ready to carry the midfield or weight of expectation at Charlton. In a years time who knows. 
    Edited you post for accuracy 
    Didn't change it to 'Carlton', deducted marks
  • JoshAddick
    JoshAddick Posts: 1,786
    Maccn05 said:
    I’ll be the voice of caution here…

    flopped at his last three clubs (Cardiff, Fulham, Forrest) Now considered an injury prone and Forrest fans are delighted to get rid (and they are shite)

    He’s 31 does he still have the hunger after earning Prem money? and means we now likely won’t be in for Dempsey or Lowery now.

    Not exactly one for the future. I predict this doesn’t end well. Would much rather one of the above personally - young & hungry and a permanent.
    He didn’t flop at Cardiff. Was their best player in their Premier League season.
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    This is literally Ben Watson 2.0. 

    His legs have gone 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,625
    Firstly.      WIOTOS.....so lets temper our excitement a bit shall we.

    Secondly. Doesn't really fit in with our "lowering the age of the squad" mantra.

    Thirdly. Smacks of desperation & not a position we really need filling - unless he is going to play left back. 

    But is an ex player & everyone wets their pants wanting to sign those so lets crack on with the " now we are going to storm the league".


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