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Adkins Out? - Match Thread
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The squad showed fight today. That is a positive I haven't seen for a few games!3
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He is pretty much just Ted Lasso isn't he.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:1 -
Don't know why he couldn't have said this Tuesday. Drawing with Portsmouth is not like drawing with Gillingham.Scoham said:0 -
Yeah, by tomorrow I’ll prob agree with you. Fingers crossed two draws have stopped the rot, coming back twice today is positive. Hopefully the team starts to gel & we can push on.WhenIwasLittleBoy said:
I sincerely hope those at work don’t have a rough time of it and get the boot after a coupe of monthsYes Charlton_Road_James said:I think Adkins time should be up but I just don’t think Sandgaard will sack him, he’s his man at the end of the day. Like someone posted earlier at the FF all his talk is about giving him time. Plus he’s not gonna want to pay his contract up.1 -
Clare was perfectly fit earlier in the season, he had the full summer with usRob said:Put this on the post match thread but more relevant here….
I’m prepared to give Adkins a bit of time. The last two games have been more positive, especially today. I don’t think we should underestimate the effect on players who aren’t 100% match fit. I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least for a few more games.I think that’s why he’s been chopping and changing. But he will get a settled team. For example Clare looked a good player today but when he first came in he didn’t. Fitness plays a big part in professional sports.I know the big part of that was the slow transfer window but it is what it is. That’s in the past. But I’m feeling a bit more positive today that Nigel has a plan. We’ll see anyway over the next few games.
Indeed if Adkins had stuck with his "summer" players and only integrated the "deadline" signings or injured/ill players when they were fit to play proper amounts of time, every game, it would have made sense. We started the season with a dull 0-0, with Morgan, Dobson and Clare in midfield and DJ on the wing, 7 weeks later none of them started today0 -
Clare signed 21 July. Is that classed as a full summer? Anyway, match fitness isn’t all about stamina. It’s just as much about understanding the system and gelling with the other players, a lot of whom joined after that date. I think you’re splitting hairs.1
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I imagine most clubs in L1 can make the same excuses as us...
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We had exactly the same discussion when we appointed the bloke, people on here trying to claim Adkins was a success at Hull, pathetically clinging to the hope he wasn’t a busted flush with three straight failures behind him.Valiantphil said:
HullWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Never failed at Hull…look what he done at Southampton and Scunthorpe..as well as missed out on the play offs on goal difference.. give the fella a chanceValiantphil said:Failed at Reading
Failed at Sheff U
Failed at Hull.Doesn’t know what his best team is at CAFC.
Need him gone.We will lose the next 2 anyway, so we might as well bite the bullet now and make a change.
first full season in charge - finished 13th.Left by mutual consent at the end of the season.Hardly success is it ?
Soton was 2010 - so far back it doesn’t mean anything now.
I mean, seriously, the last success he had in management was taking Saints to the Premier League - and that was in 2011/12!If he was any bloody good then he’d have been picked up by someone else after he left Hull following his glory days there, but, no, he had to wait two years before he found a rookie chairman that would buy his BS, I bet he couldn’t believe his luck.
He had Bowyer’s team last year but this is HIS team and they are a bloody shambles.8 -
Both more than a DECADE ago… since then he’s spent his time doing shit corporate training on how to manage expectations and give feedback… he’s just a crap middle managerWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Never failed at Hull…look what he done at Southampton and Scunthorpe..as well as missed out on the play offs on goal difference.. give the fella a chanceValiantphil said:Failed at Reading
Failed at Sheff U
Failed at Hull.Doesn’t know what his best team is at CAFC.
Need him gone.We will lose the next 2 anyway, so we might as well bite the bullet now and make a change.1 -
The players can't gel with other players because Adkins keeps chopping and changing the teamRob said:Clare signed 21 July. Is that classed as a full summer? Anyway, match fitness isn’t all about stamina. It’s just as much about understanding the system and gelling with the other players, a lot of whom joined after that date. I think you’re splitting hairs.
Clare started the first 3 games of the season, when we played the same formation (as indeed we did in pre season) so he should know the system as well as anyone. We played with Clare as one of the 2 more defensive central midfielders, which is what he played when he came on today0 - Sponsored links:
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Gelling happens in training as well. Anyway, let’s see how the next few games work out. I had originally said that Adkins had to go but I’ve seen signs of improvement last Tuesday and today so I think we should give him a few games to turn it around.3
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We look much better with Clare in the middle of the park providing some running power, from all the games so far it's been noticeable that we look very pedestrian in midfield and people basically pass the ball around us.Rob said:Gelling happens in training as well. Anyway, let’s see how the next few games work out. I had originally said that Adkins had to go but I’ve seen signs of improvement last Tuesday and today so I think we should give him a few games to turn it around.
Even when we win the ball back in midfield Watson, Morgan and the rest have no pace to burst forward and stretch the opposition, Clare provides that kind of running power that we used to get from Aribo when he was here.1 -
I'd so much rather it works out under Adkins than having to bring someone else in. And I'm still really hoping it does. We just look so easy to play against this season, which is so surprising. What happened to the Adkins side that went away to Sunderland, battled for everything and got the win? We looked so hard to beat at the end of last season, we look like a pushover now.
I'm hoping this is down to the current set of players not understanding when to press and when to hold and huge holes opening up as a result, but I honestly don't know.5 -
A question for the Adkins in mob.
We are improving, slightly, I’ll agree there, just not enough for me.So with that in mind, between now and the end of the season could you see us getting more points than Wigan or Sunderland by a margin of 13? The requirement for us have a shot at autos.
When it’s put like that I think it’s an obvious no, and for that reason, do you not think a manager that has killed automatic promotion off within just 9 games, should be sent packing? For me that is unforgivable.0 -
A fair question but aimed at the wrong people. I agree with what you say but I don't think Sandgaard is about to pull the trigger.BR7_addick said:A question for the Adkins in mob.
We are improving, slightly, I’ll agree there, just not enough for me.So with that in mind, between now and the end of the season could you see us getting more points than Wigan or Sunderland by a margin of 13? The requirement for us have a shot at autos.
When it’s put like that I think it’s an obvious no, and for that reason, do you not think a manager that has killed automatic promotion off within just 9 games, should be sent packing? For me that is unforgivable.0 -
Wasn’t there a suggestion that TS started lining up a replacement for Bowyer before he left?I wonder if he’s doing the same now, and that why there hasn’t been any sudden sacking?1
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I think the question needs to be aimed at them, not as some “ah ha gotcha” moment, just asking the question a different way can sometimes help see other perspectives.thenewbie said:
A fair question but aimed at the wrong people. I agree with what you say but I don't think Sandgaard is about to pull the trigger.BR7_addick said:A question for the Adkins in mob.
We are improving, slightly, I’ll agree there, just not enough for me.So with that in mind, between now and the end of the season could you see us getting more points than Wigan or Sunderland by a margin of 13? The requirement for us have a shot at autos.
When it’s put like that I think it’s an obvious no, and for that reason, do you not think a manager that has killed automatic promotion off within just 9 games, should be sent packing? For me that is unforgivable.
Ill be honest I don’t feel proud calling for the guys head, it’s not usually my style, I get the stability argument for sure. This just doesn’t feel right for me. And agreed I think TS will give him a decent crack at this maybe even till the end of the season.
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Just so you know Thomas, not getting results is a sackable offence in football.said:
No verbal warnings. No written warnings. No final written warnings. Don't reach for the capability procedure policy.
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Now let's look at the full context. He took over a team in 20th and kept them up. Then the next season got them to 13th. That's a success based on the fact it's clear progression. Hull fans loved him.Valiantphil said:
HullWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Never failed at Hull…look what he done at Southampton and Scunthorpe..as well as missed out on the play offs on goal difference.. give the fella a chanceValiantphil said:Failed at Reading
Failed at Sheff U
Failed at Hull.Doesn’t know what his best team is at CAFC.
Need him gone.We will lose the next 2 anyway, so we might as well bite the bullet now and make a change.
first full season in charge - finished 13th.Left by mutual consent at the end of the season.Hardly success is it ?
Soton was 2010 - so far back it doesn’t mean anything now.
He didn't leave by mutual consent, they offered him a renewed contract and he said no because he didn't feel the owner shared his vision on the clubs future.
The following season Hull finished bottom.23 -
On reflection I think this is where I am. If the last couple of games have stopped the rot, then we should expect the rot not to return and wins to start from here. I don't think Adkins has a lot of time and we need to start picking up the points or he is toast.Rob said:Gelling happens in training as well. Anyway, let’s see how the next few games work out. I had originally said that Adkins had to go but I’ve seen signs of improvement last Tuesday and today so I think we should give him a few games to turn it around.2 - Sponsored links:
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That’s not the full context. He kept them up and took them to mid table with Bowen,Grosicki, Campbell, scoring about 45 goals between them. They lost all those players, he left and they finished bottom the next season.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Now let's look at the full context. He took over a team in 20th and kept them up. Then the next season got them to 13th. That's a success based on the fact it's clear progression. Hull fans loved him.Valiantphil said:
HullWhenIwasLittleBoy said:
Never failed at Hull…look what he done at Southampton and Scunthorpe..as well as missed out on the play offs on goal difference.. give the fella a chanceValiantphil said:Failed at Reading
Failed at Sheff U
Failed at Hull.Doesn’t know what his best team is at CAFC.
Need him gone.We will lose the next 2 anyway, so we might as well bite the bullet now and make a change.
first full season in charge - finished 13th.Left by mutual consent at the end of the season.Hardly success is it ?
Soton was 2010 - so far back it doesn’t mean anything now.
He didn't leave by mutual consent, they offered him a renewed contract and he said no because he didn't feel the owner shared his vision on the clubs future.
The following season Hull finished bottom.If you are clinging onto him doing the same for us, I think you are going to be disappointed.2 -
I think if he doesn't win either of the next 2 games then he'll be gone over the international break.MuttleyCAFC said:
On reflection I think this is where I am. If the last couple of games have stopped the rot, then we should expect the rot not to return and wins to start from here. I don't think Adkins has a lot of time and we need to start picking up the points or he is toast.Rob said:Gelling happens in training as well. Anyway, let’s see how the next few games work out. I had originally said that Adkins had to go but I’ve seen signs of improvement last Tuesday and today so I think we should give him a few games to turn it around.1 -
Again.
How long does the next manager get if we sack Adkins?
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How can anyone answer that?clb74 said:Again.
How long does the next manager get if we sack Adkins?
If a manager comes in and loses 10 in a row and is the reincarnation of Karel Fraeye then obviously he won't get very long. If we're average but there's a clear style of play and a plan then he'll obviously get longer. At the moment i don't see a plan, he doesn't have a clue of his best XI and it feels like he's just changing 4/5/6 players every game in the hope something works.
He's been in charge for 21 games and we've won 7. In league one. If that becomes 23 i think he'll be gone after Fleetwood.3 -
Not long if he only wins 1 in 9 and we play boring turgid dog ooo long ball football up to a lone strikerclb74 said:Again.
How long does the next manager get if we sack Adkins?
long enough if we improve and win football matches.2 -
Tbh I only asked because I was thinking back to last season.
Bowyer was manager and was it 8 games unbeaten with 7 clean sheets?
Then things started to go pear shaped, was it roughly about 10 games after the unbeaten streak that we started turning on him?
All we had been through with Bowyer, hed lost his 2 centre backs and 10 games later we were judging him.
My point is ,if we only gave Bowyer 10 games what chance has another manager got?9 -
looking forward to Wilder bringing Lyle back7
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Keohane out
Roddy out
Adkins out
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It’s when things aren’t going too well at Charlton that you realise how little your fellow supporters actually know about football. Adkins is responsible for the players on the pitch. The person who should be sacked is the person responsible for paying 2p an hour and dragging the window out so we get unfit players through the door who are crap. Maybe if Adkins can get this load of shit actually playing well he deserves manager of the season.2
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We literally net spent more than any other team.masicat said:It’s when things aren’t going too well at Charlton that you realise how little your fellow supporters actually know about football. Adkins is responsible for the players on the pitch. The person who should be sacked is the person responsible for paying 2p an hour and dragging the window out so we get unfit players through the door who are crap. Maybe if Adkins can get this load of shit actually playing well he deserves manager of the season.Well more than Ipswich, Sunderland, Wigan, Pompey unless there’s someone I’ve missed out.1
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