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Post-match Thread: Sunderland vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 23rd October 2021
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Is it the exact same players that said the exact same thing after Fleetwood, Crewe and a number of times last season?thenewbie said:
Wonder if that's something that Jackson/Euell have been telling them a lot. Drawing a new line under everything and setting a new standard going forward.Henry Irving said:Worth noting that few players said on twitter that that was the "standard" and that they have to maintain it.
Its what players say on social media isn't it?1 -
Never put a comma before a conjunction.SporadicAddick said:
Should be a comma after myth.Dippenhall said:
It’s recorded speech and we don’t speak as we would when committing to the written page. Thinking grammar rules are logical is a myth and it’s only the influence of the “superior” upper classes of the last two centuries that created the concept of grammar having to reflect classical Latin syntax.ct_addick said:
I do not have an English degree only an O level but good lord the spelling mistakes in that piece....doesn't anyone proof read this stuff before postingLouisMend said:1 -
There is certainly a message out there for our wingers who didn't play. If you don't do the defensive part, you won't start. Needed to be done a while ago but Adkins was trying to make the formation work rather than find a better one for the circumstances. Leko did his defensive job well and Purrington did his offensive job well. These are the jobs outside their strengths so credit to them both.
If Adkins doesn't understand this, it highlights why he has gone and if he does, he should blame himself for doing the same thing over and over again and expecting something to change.4 -
I do really wonder what we're going to do with all these wingers now. If we stick with this formation we need more CBs, strikers and probably a RWB and I believe the squad list is full at the moment.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
JJ can use both DJ and Kirk as makewights in the January transfer window for a couple of players he really wants.soapboxsam said:So we played 3-5-2 which can be 5-3-2 when defending and the wing back Leko or Purrington give you width when attacking.
Quite a gamble with Leko as only 24 hrs to work on that !
Will JJ go with that system at home against Doncaster ?
Just one "winger" who is playing wing back with defensive responsibilities.
How and where will JJ use DJ and Kirk in the future ?
This will be interesting and hopefully, the JJ was the defensive coach so he must go can be put to bed. The manager dictates the formations and then coaches remit is to drill that into the team.
I said as we kicked off the season we wouldn't score from open play in August with Stockley isolated and Washington and DJ playing out wide in a 3 with a non scoring attacking midfielder in Morgan, even those I hoped Albie could kick on this season.
We eventually scored from open play in the last game in August but the omens were there and bringing in 4 wingers when attacking full backs are more 2021.
Good teams defend from the front in closing down defenders when the opposition have the ball.
Bottle that spirit that Jackson imbued into the team yesterday.
Said slightly tongue in cheek but yesterday's performance just underlines how much harder the pair of them are going to have to work if they have any hope of getting in the team.
It's hard to see any space for DJ, Kirk and Blackett-Taylor.0 -
For starters they have to work on their defensive games which will make them better players. There is a role for them from the bench but we probably have too many. They have to fight it out with their competition and take their chances when they come in the short term anyway. I doubt one of Leko and Purrington won't get injured at some point.0
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What a piece of work Johnson is. If Stockley has got away with it, Johnson has done his level best to make sure the FA are aware of it. Get over it, you lost.4
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I beg to differ. Stylistically, it can be very effective, like putting a winger at left back.Nadou said:
Never put a comma before a conjunction.SporadicAddick said:
Should be a comma after myth.Dippenhall said:
It’s recorded speech and we don’t speak as we would when committing to the written page. Thinking grammar rules are logical is a myth and it’s only the influence of the “superior” upper classes of the last two centuries that created the concept of grammar having to reflect classical Latin syntax.ct_addick said:
I do not have an English degree only an O level but good lord the spelling mistakes in that piece....doesn't anyone proof read this stuff before postingLouisMend said:0 -
Corrected for you, apologies!RedChaser said:
That used to be Colin Montgomery’s pose if someone rustled a crisp packet in the crowd 50 yards Miles away as he was about to play a shot 😆.aliwibble said:
And this looks like he's about to launch into a rendition of "I'm a little teapot" any second.Sillybilly said:I’ll just leave this here……
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Syntax is only one part of grammar.Dippenhall said:
It’s recorded speech and we don’t speak as we would when committing to the written page. Thinking grammar rules are logical is a myth and it’s only the influence of the “superior” upper classes of the last two centuries that created the concept of grammar having to reflect classical Latin syntax.ct_addick said:
I do not have an English degree only an O level but good lord the spelling mistakes in that piece....doesn't anyone proof read this stuff before postingLouisMend said:0 -
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There's a lot of buggering going on there. It really is grim up north.TellyTubby said:0 -
JJ is a leader of men, plain and simple, always has been, you either have it or you don’t. Early days but exciting times hopefully.23
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Loving the lone voice shouting "c***" as Stockley celebrates.clive said:4 -
That was Adkins.Wheresmeticket? said:
Loving the lone voice shouting "c***" as Stockley celebrates.clive said:35 -
EveshamAddick said:Can someone post the Dobson interview from yesterday? Can’t seem to find it anywhere..21
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Since Schwartz has left, think the squad maybe one light!Chunes said:
I do really wonder what we're going to do with all these wingers now. If we stick with this formation we need more CBs, strikers and probably a RWB and I believe the squad list is full at the moment.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
JJ can use both DJ and Kirk as makewights in the January transfer window for a couple of players he really wants.soapboxsam said:So we played 3-5-2 which can be 5-3-2 when defending and the wing back Leko or Purrington give you width when attacking.
Quite a gamble with Leko as only 24 hrs to work on that !
Will JJ go with that system at home against Doncaster ?
Just one "winger" who is playing wing back with defensive responsibilities.
How and where will JJ use DJ and Kirk in the future ?
This will be interesting and hopefully, the JJ was the defensive coach so he must go can be put to bed. The manager dictates the formations and then coaches remit is to drill that into the team.
I said as we kicked off the season we wouldn't score from open play in August with Stockley isolated and Washington and DJ playing out wide in a 3 with a non scoring attacking midfielder in Morgan, even those I hoped Albie could kick on this season.
We eventually scored from open play in the last game in August but the omens were there and bringing in 4 wingers when attacking full backs are more 2021.
Good teams defend from the front in closing down defenders when the opposition have the ball.
Bottle that spirit that Jackson imbued into the team yesterday.
Said slightly tongue in cheek but yesterday's performance just underlines how much harder the pair of them are going to have to work if they have any hope of getting in the team.
It's hard to see any space for DJ, Kirk and Blackett-Taylor.0 -
Lets not get carried away
It's the sort of game where we'll go & get a result & then get hammered by DoncasterTunwellsaddick said:Sunderland fans must be licking their lips for our arrival on Saturday.
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incorrectNadou said:
Never put a comma before a conjunction.SporadicAddick said:
Should be a comma after myth.Dippenhall said:
It’s recorded speech and we don’t speak as we would when committing to the written page. Thinking grammar rules are logical is a myth and it’s only the influence of the “superior” upper classes of the last two centuries that created the concept of grammar having to reflect classical Latin syntax.ct_addick said:
I do not have an English degree only an O level but good lord the spelling mistakes in that piece....doesn't anyone proof read this stuff before postingLouisMend said:1 -
I've watched it a few times and can't see a headbutt in any shape or form. Stockley is being physical but there a big difference between that and headbutting.
The way Johnson talks about a "definite" three match ban for something that didn't happen is deflection, and I look forward to Stockley's public "acquital" so that we can see Johnson throw his toys out of the pram again.5 -
JFCClarky said:
Since Schwartz has left, think the squad maybe one light!Chunes said:
I do really wonder what we're going to do with all these wingers now. If we stick with this formation we need more CBs, strikers and probably a RWB and I believe the squad list is full at the moment.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
JJ can use both DJ and Kirk as makewights in the January transfer window for a couple of players he really wants.soapboxsam said:So we played 3-5-2 which can be 5-3-2 when defending and the wing back Leko or Purrington give you width when attacking.
Quite a gamble with Leko as only 24 hrs to work on that !
Will JJ go with that system at home against Doncaster ?
Just one "winger" who is playing wing back with defensive responsibilities.
How and where will JJ use DJ and Kirk in the future ?
This will be interesting and hopefully, the JJ was the defensive coach so he must go can be put to bed. The manager dictates the formations and then coaches remit is to drill that into the team.
I said as we kicked off the season we wouldn't score from open play in August with Stockley isolated and Washington and DJ playing out wide in a 3 with a non scoring attacking midfielder in Morgan, even those I hoped Albie could kick on this season.
We eventually scored from open play in the last game in August but the omens were there and bringing in 4 wingers when attacking full backs are more 2021.
Good teams defend from the front in closing down defenders when the opposition have the ball.
Bottle that spirit that Jackson imbued into the team yesterday.
Said slightly tongue in cheek but yesterday's performance just underlines how much harder the pair of them are going to have to work if they have any hope of getting in the team.
It's hard to see any space for DJ, Kirk and Blackett-Taylor.0 -
Great interview with George Dobson and good character shown from the Lad.
When we have 3 games in a week then it will be interesting to see how the same players manage the high press and yet keep the fitness up.
I hope it enjoyable finding out because we have struggled to turn a good away victory into a solid home win in the next game.1 -
Feck me what's wrong with these norvern monkeys?SporadicAddick said:I've watched it a few times and can't see a headbutt in any shape or form. Stockley is being physical but there a big difference between that and headbutting.
The way Johnson talks about a "definite" three match ban for something that didn't happen is deflection, and I look forward to Stockley's public "acquital" so that we can see Johnson throw his toys out of the pram again.
A head butt is a mating technique up there, ain't it?3 -
I thank you!MattF said:EveshamAddick said:Can someone post the Dobson interview from yesterday? Can’t seem to find it anywhere..4 -
Yes, but don't think he is included at the moment. Think if he comes in not sure how hard we will try to get CBT on a longer contract.Cafc43v3r said:
JFCClarky said:
Since Schwartz has left, think the squad maybe one light!Chunes said:
I do really wonder what we're going to do with all these wingers now. If we stick with this formation we need more CBs, strikers and probably a RWB and I believe the squad list is full at the moment.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
JJ can use both DJ and Kirk as makewights in the January transfer window for a couple of players he really wants.soapboxsam said:So we played 3-5-2 which can be 5-3-2 when defending and the wing back Leko or Purrington give you width when attacking.
Quite a gamble with Leko as only 24 hrs to work on that !
Will JJ go with that system at home against Doncaster ?
Just one "winger" who is playing wing back with defensive responsibilities.
How and where will JJ use DJ and Kirk in the future ?
This will be interesting and hopefully, the JJ was the defensive coach so he must go can be put to bed. The manager dictates the formations and then coaches remit is to drill that into the team.
I said as we kicked off the season we wouldn't score from open play in August with Stockley isolated and Washington and DJ playing out wide in a 3 with a non scoring attacking midfielder in Morgan, even those I hoped Albie could kick on this season.
We eventually scored from open play in the last game in August but the omens were there and bringing in 4 wingers when attacking full backs are more 2021.
Good teams defend from the front in closing down defenders when the opposition have the ball.
Bottle that spirit that Jackson imbued into the team yesterday.
Said slightly tongue in cheek but yesterday's performance just underlines how much harder the pair of them are going to have to work if they have any hope of getting in the team.
It's hard to see any space for DJ, Kirk and Blackett-Taylor.0 -
If Johnson thinks that use of the head, he’s never been on a 18-30 holiday.4
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The thing I can’t get my head around is that was it so bad under NA the team had literally given up and didn’t want to play for him? I understand the manager you work for has a massive impact on how you feel at work, for everyone, not just footballers, but was he really that bad to play under?Bit of a rhetorical question on my part, pondering, rather than asking, but it seems that within a couple of days there has been a massive facelift.As others have posted, players probably didn’t like playing in set ups that were confusing, and there were too many changes, but I find it crazy how it seems to have done a complete 180 in a matter of days. I don’t believe it’s a new manager bounce. I really think the players just weren’t feeling it3
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It might just be a conspiracy theory, I suppose it definitely is because it's only based on opinions not fact.Chunes said:
Ok. Overstatement. It's his preferred formation and it's what we knew he would play coming through the door. Obviously he has not played it every single game in his career, he's been a manager for a long time and the game has changed over that period. Plus he played 352 twice with us. (Again proving he wasn't being told what tactics to play). But it is a conspiracy theory.Cafc43v3r said:
Adkins hasn't played 4231 for his entire career......Chunes said:
I think we do know for sure. Adkins has played the 4231 for his entire career. That's his system and we knew he would play that here. The idea that he's been made to play it by Ged and the heirarchy, even when it wasn't working, is for the birds.CL_Phantom said:We've heard of the philosophy, identity, pathway bla bla bla. Under Adkins we never started a game outside of 433/ 4231, it may have been a preference from the club, it may have been Nigel stubbornness.
We'll probably never know for sure, but, today we saw a different formation and players playing to clear instructions, if JJ is allowed to do what he wants and it works. Long may it continue.
Unbelievable result.
But there are questions, that will never truthfully, be fully answered.
Was Adkins appointed, either in part or totally because he used/wanted to use that formation? Its surely mentioned in the recruitment process and it is what our age groups have played for a while. It's also the most used formation in the top 3 divisions on English football.
Why did the "recruitment committee" sign 2 wingers and nearly two different ones in January when Bowyer, in 3 years, have never shown a preference for wingers?
Why/how did we sign, or resign, about a dozen players over the summer and end up with a squad either unable, or unwilling, to play a system they were all signed to play in?2
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