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Albie Morgan - diagnosed with type 1 diabetes (p63)

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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    edited November 2021
    wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    He's not that young
    He gets an easier ride than most because he's from the academy
    He's had plenty of chances
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,577
    thenewbie said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    He's had good games yes but not that many and not very consistently over extended periods. The poor games outnumber the good by a fair difference now.

    We don't have the luxury of keeping hoping that he might possibly eventually come good if it's at the expense of players with a higher ceiling and/or a better "average" of performance. 
    The new Lisbie .... perpetual potential.
  • Hartleypete
    Hartleypete Posts: 4,701
    Sadly imho he is simply not good enough, Adkins gave him the 10 shirt and backed him. Look how that turned out. Not really sure he can make the grade at our level let alone step up if we get promoted.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,002
    Kap10 said:
    thenewbie said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    He's had good games yes but not that many and not very consistently over extended periods. The poor games outnumber the good by a fair difference now.

    We don't have the luxury of keeping hoping that he might possibly eventually come good if it's at the expense of players with a higher ceiling and/or a better "average" of performance. 
    The new Lisbie .... perpetual potential.
    Well if we draw Liverpool in a future round I'm expecting a Morgan hattrick now. 

    No pressure or anything Albie. As you were. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,472
    mendonca said:
    We run the risk of over scrutinising him at the moment. We've won our last few games, he hasn't featured in them. We don't really need him in the 1st 11 at the moment. 
     I think that's the frustration tbh.

    So many of us want to see him do well and kick on.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,015
    wmcf123 said:
    Maybe let’s get behind him. Lots of young players aren’t ready at his age - let’s will him
    to succeed.  In my view, he’s getting a tougher ride than some other
    players of far greater experience.  I am
    not denying that he’s been poor but he’s had good games in the past and can be good again. 
    He’s received a far easier ride because he is ‘one of ours’ than a new buy would receive. 
  • Don’t get all this cut our loses and move Albie on talk, I agree he hasn’t fulfilled the promise he showed when he first came on the scene and he should have progressed more but at best he’s a squad player and I doubt if there’s better players out there who would be prepared to Join us to just get the occasional game not always in their preferred role and sometimes not even make the match day squad so I believe we would be silly to let him go.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Bournesnr said:
    Don’t get all this cut our loses and move Albie on talk, I agree he hasn’t fulfilled the promise he showed when he first came on the scene and he should have progressed more but at best he’s a squad player and I doubt if there’s better players out there who would be prepared to Join us to just get the occasional game not always in their preferred role and sometimes not even make the match day squad so I believe we would be silly to let him go.
    What is his preferred role?

    That's not the question though is it.  The actual question is is Morgan ever going to be good enough to be a first team player?  If not why give him a dozen games when you could give them to someone else that might be.  Like Vennings, Henry or A.N.Other.  
  • Surely the management would know if Vennings or Henry were ready and would pick them accordingly. At this moment in time I can’t believe anybody who is better would join us to be a bit part player, he may never be good enough to be a regular first teamer but every squad needs players as backup and it stands to reason they’re not going to be as good as first teamers. I think he is a more than adequate squad player.
  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 34,015
    Bournesnr said:
    Surely the management would know if Vennings or Henry were ready and would pick them accordingly. At this moment in time I can’t believe anybody who is better would join us to be a bit part player, he may never be good enough to be a regular first teamer but every squad needs players as backup and it stands to reason they’re not going to be as good as first teamers. I think he is a more than adequate squad player.
    But when he plays, he’s adding nothing to the team ,.. therefore not adequate. 

    Needs to go out on loan. 

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  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    He's played 80+ games, if he's still getting picked it tells its own story.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Playing Devil's advocate there, but this season until 3 league games ago almost everyone looked shite at times. 

    I think we're all in a similar place. We want him to progress, but it looks more unlikely every game now 
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    Dazzler21 said:
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    He's played 80+ games, if he's still getting picked it tells its own story.
    But he’s not, he needs to move on.
  • razil
    razil Posts: 15,041
    Dazzler21 said:
    Playing Devil's advocate there, but this season until 3 league games ago almost everyone looked shite at times. 

    I think we're all in a similar place. We want him to progress, but it looks more unlikely every game now 
    Same time a lot of those are now playing well but a handful aren’t still, hmmm
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    How many consecutive starts , please ?
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,406
    wmcf123 said:
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    How many consecutive starts , please ?
    Always a handful, then dissapoints so replaced with somebody who might have more chance of delivering. 

    This season saw quite a number of consecutive starts in a fixed position. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    mendonca said:
    wmcf123 said:
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    How many consecutive starts , please ?
    Always a handful, then dissapoints so replaced with somebody who might have more chance of delivering. 

    This season saw quite a number of consecutive starts in a fixed position. 
    Under a diabolical manager in a diabolical team, sure 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,002
    edited November 2021
    wmcf123 said:
    mendonca said:
    wmcf123 said:
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    How many consecutive starts , please ?
    Always a handful, then dissapoints so replaced with somebody who might have more chance of delivering. 

    This season saw quite a number of consecutive starts in a fixed position. 
    Under a diabolical manager in a diabolical team, sure 
    And when the team got good results under Bowyer and Adkins last season, he wasn't in the team. Performances under Jackson have improved and yet again, he's not in the team.

    Right now, he's not good enough. And he doesn't deserve to play over those that are, just because he MIGHT improve. 
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    wmcf123 said:
    mendonca said:
    wmcf123 said:
    paulfox said:
    He’s played 80+ games , not 8. If he’s not 1st choice by now it tells it’s own story.  
    How many consecutive starts , please ?
    Always a handful, then dissapoints so replaced with somebody who might have more chance of delivering. 

    This season saw quite a number of consecutive starts in a fixed position. 
    Under a diabolical manager in a diabolical team, sure 
    He’s had plenty of chances and never looked like fulfilling his potential. Nothing to do with managers anymore. If he was good enough he’d be 1st choice by now. He isn’t anywhere near that.

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  • ColinTat
    ColinTat Posts: 2,794
    In our good run in last season he played in 9 of our last 15 games. So not true he didn't play in our good spell under Adkins.  

    I don't think he should be anywhere near our first 11, but I'd like to see him on the bench in some league matches soon.  He is not a central midfielder in a flat 4.  I'd hope he could play a Cullen role in a diamond or 4231.  That may not work, but I can't see him do anything else to a level that would work top L1 or champ.  It does seem this season was his last chance, a shame he played in an utterly incompetent midfield and it's damaged him.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    edited November 2021
    ColinTat said:
    In our good run in last season he played in 9 of our last 15 games. So not true he didn't play in our good spell under Adkins.  

    I don't think he should be anywhere near our first 11, but I'd like to see him on the bench in some league matches soon.  He is not a central midfielder in a flat 4.  I'd hope he could play a Cullen role in a diamond or 4231.  That may not work, but I can't see him do anything else to a level that would work top L1 or champ.  It does seem this season was his last chance, a shame he played in an utterly incompetent midfield and it's damaged him.
    Of those 9 how many did he start? 2? 3?

    How many did he impact off the bench?  One is the answer.  Of all the games Morgan has played he started all the games he played well in, bar one. 

    Most young players make an impression off the bench and force themselves in the team, bar the game JFC did his ACL, I have never seen Morgan do that. Happy to be factually correct but that's the impression I get. 


  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    Cafc43v3r said:
    ColinTat said:
    In our good run in last season he played in 9 of our last 15 games. So not true he didn't play in our good spell under Adkins.  

    I don't think he should be anywhere near our first 11, but I'd like to see him on the bench in some league matches soon.  He is not a central midfielder in a flat 4.  I'd hope he could play a Cullen role in a diamond or 4231.  That may not work, but I can't see him do anything else to a level that would work top L1 or champ.  It does seem this season was his last chance, a shame he played in an utterly incompetent midfield and it's damaged him.
    Of those 9 how many did he start? 2? 3?

    How many did he impact off the bench?  One is the answer.  Of all the games Morgan has played he started all the games he played well in, bar one. 

    Most young players make an impression off the bench and force themselves in the team, bar the game JFC did his ACL, I have never seen Morgan do that. Happy to be factually correct but that's the impression I get. 
     So he should start?! 😉
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,596
    edited November 2021
    . Doh! why can't you just delete a comment without having to make a point.. :(
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    I have to admit that I can’t recall many games, if any, where he has really stood out.

    I don’t think he’s a bad player by any means - but I simply just don’t notice him most of the time he’s on the pitch. I’ve seen him play live many times, but often forget he’s there 🤷‍♂️
  • Really poor tonight. Thought this would be his chance to prove himself 
  • NapaAddick
    NapaAddick Posts: 4,657
    I find it interesting that Bowyer was basically right about everyone he criticised.
  • Said it before that we need to get Morgan a league 2 loan in January, we'd be mad to not try and get him somewhere and see what he can do on a regular basis. It might even be the final kick up the arse he needs as if he doesn't do well on loan then it'll be time for him to move on in the summer.

    Ultimately though he's played almost 100 games and i'm not sure anyone knows his best position. He's not a defensive midfielder, he's not box-to-box, he's not a wide player who can beat a man and get a cross in, he's not someone who will arrive late in the area and finish a chance and his shooting which still sticks in my mind from that 0-0 against Sheffield wednesday is terrible.

    He might make a good pass once every 2-3 games but realistically where does he fit into a side who are aiming to get promotion out of this league?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,786
    edited November 2021
    Who in League Two is going to take him after watching performances like last night against Orient’s youth team and in the FA Cup vs sixth tier opposition at the weekend? He is being given plenty of chances, and those are against teams that he should be dominating.

    If he’s waiting for a loan that never comes, he may end up wasting his career. No better place to turn it around than at Sparrows Lane at this point.