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Kurt Zouma
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5- They couldn't give a stuff...total arseholes the lot of 'emcabbles said:West Ham have this morning come out and clarified their version of events 1 - It never happened 2 - It happened but no one told them 3 - He kicked the cat but he never meant to 4 - No one told them kicking a cat was animal cruelty0 -
Lucky for him he didn't say or tweet anything perceived as offensive to the poor cat as the police would be all over him and west ham would have dropped him like a hot potato.
Actual physical violence and abuse is obviously far more palatable than words by the powers that be these days such is our weird and warped society.
Utter scumbag and that prick Moyes and everyone associated with him playing last night are out of order too.
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No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
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West Ham summed up in a nutshell, hate their fans and the club and even more now. How can you play someone who has been an absolute prick and assaulted an animal?!!! If it was a child/woman? delete where applicable would they still follow the same line?
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F*** knows what else he has done.johnnybev1987 said:West Ham summed up in a nutshell, hate their fans and the club and even more now. How can you play someone who has been an absolute prick and assaulted an animal?!!! If it was a child/woman? delete where applicable would they still follow the same line?
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I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.9 -
seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.Correct - we don't agree.That in no way diminishes my revulsion at what Zouma did, but I place human life above all other life forms - and diet has fuck all to do with it.4 -
It's always worrying if people abuse animals and you do wonder what their psychological makeup is.seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.
West Ham's response is appalling - they might as well have said 'we don't give a shit'. There was no excuse for playing him last night - no morality on show.2 -
5 - the cat never existed. 6 - the cat existed but was not in the box.cabbles said:West Ham have this morning come out and clarified their version of events 1 - It never happened 2 - It happened but no one told them 3 - He kicked the cat but he never meant to 4 - No one told them kicking a cat was animal cruelty3 -
I am not suggesting you’re not as appalled as everybody else about what Zouma did.bobmunro said:seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.Correct - we don't agree.That in no way diminishes my revulsion at what Zouma did, but I place human life above all other life forms - and diet has fuck all to do with it.
My post was about how different people might view the sanctity of life.0 -
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7. Let’s wait for the Sue Grey Report.Dazzler21 said:
5 - the cat never existed. 6 - the cat existed but was not in the box.cabbles said:West Ham have this morning come out and clarified their version of events 1 - It never happened 2 - It happened but no one told them 3 - He kicked the cat but he never meant to 4 - No one told them kicking a cat was animal cruelty10 -
Violence against animals when younger is often just the start of violence towards humans.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It's always worrying if people abuse animals and you do wonder what their psychological makeup is.seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.
West Ham's response is appalling - they might as well have said 'we don't give a shit'. There was no excuse for playing him last night - no morality on show.12 -
Don't f**k With Cats on Netflix really highlights thisArsenetatters said:
Violence against animals when younger is often just the start of violence towards humans.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It's always worrying if people abuse animals and you do wonder what their psychological makeup is.seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.
West Ham's response is appalling - they might as well have said 'we don't give a shit'. There was no excuse for playing him last night - no morality on show.6 -
Zouma's Cat will become more Famous, No infamous than Schrödinger's cat. Biggest difference is most of you chose to watch the footage of the Cat abuser; With Schrödinger's Cat we are left to ponder ?
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I'm with Seth on this one. Not digging at Bob BTW.seth plum said:
I am not suggesting you’re not as appalled as everybody else about what Zouma did.bobmunro said:seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.Correct - we don't agree.That in no way diminishes my revulsion at what Zouma did, but I place human life above all other life forms - and diet has fuck all to do with it.
My post was about how different people might view the sanctity of life.
Abuse of a tiny little creature that cannot understand the attack and has no way of stopping it could be interpreted as worse than attacking an adult human who in theory has the recourse to the law or often to escape the abuse.
I understand that all the people who have committed mass murder at schools in the USA have a history of animal cruelty and abuse.
Even if some people don't see animal abuse as important as human abuse, I believe its in all of our interests to treat such cases with concern for what direction the abuser is heading.13 -
I'm not a cat lover, I request they leave my Garden on the rare occasions they enter, I do this by yelling or for a repeat offender will have a deterrent; a half bucket of water. This is because of my love of small garden birds who can frequent my garden and relax because Cats will trophy hunt and take to their owner.
Despite this I believe Kurt Zouma and his Brother, are low life if they feel this was entertainment.
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Bang out of order this, respect from a dog fan #UTD4
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TellyTubby said:
I'm with Seth on this one. Not digging at Bob BTW.seth plum said:
I am not suggesting you’re not as appalled as everybody else about what Zouma did.bobmunro said:seth plum said:
I understand why you might state that violence towards animals is not as bad as violence towards people.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
There are many who might say it’s not the same thing, which is understandable given desired diet, but if Zouma went off on one at home and was filmed kicking his wife, children, dog and cat all in one session surely the viciousness of intent and action would be the same thing?
You don’t agree with my perspective sure, but there are many people who would say the violence is the same, maybe even worse if it is towards an animal like it would be if it was violence towards a child.
I would suggest that treating an animal the way Zouma has done is indicative of a susceptibility towards domestic violence too. I wonder how many degrees of separation there are between a man like Kurt Zouma and Mason Greenwood.Correct - we don't agree.That in no way diminishes my revulsion at what Zouma did, but I place human life above all other life forms - and diet has fuck all to do with it.
My post was about how different people might view the sanctity of life.
Abuse of a tiny little creature that cannot understand the attack and has no way of stopping it could be interpreted as worse than attacking an adult human who in theory has the recourse to the law or often to escape the abuse.
I understand that all the people who have committed mass murder at schools in the USA have a history of animal cruelty and abuse.
Even if some people don't see animal abuse as important as human abuse, I believe its in all of our interests to treat such cases with concern for what direction the abuser is heading.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you (or Seth) is saying - my response was to a claim that violence against animals is as bad as violence against humans. I fundamentally believe that not to be the case.
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Never had this much outcry when Nicky Baily kicked his cat, mind you............................it's not landed yet.0
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Too much fucking money and too much fucking time on his hands. Complete c*nt. I hope the RSPCA charge him.2
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eaststandmike said:Never had this much outcry when Nicky Baily kicked his cat, mind you............................it's not landed yet.He probably missed.0
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As a cataholic(I have 3 all strays)I would like to stick this bullying shitbag in a cage full of hungry lions.Agree the offence is not as serious as the Greenwood accusations,but the principle is the same,look at me,I can do or take what I want and no one can stop me.Also note they are designer cats,2k a pop,no common old moggy good enough to feel my boot up its arse.Never doubted he would not be dropped by West Ham.Still no doubt the full force of the law will soon intervene.0
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Was it John Pearson who killed a neighbours cat?0
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We agreed to drop the religious chat on here thanks.thickandthin63 said:As a cataholic(I have 3 all strays)I would like to stick this bullying shitbag in a cage full of hungry lions.Agree the offence is not as serious as the Greenwood accusations,but the principle is the same,look at me,I can do or take what I want and no one can stop me.Also note they are designer cats,2k a pop,no common old moggy good enough to feel my boot up its arse.Never doubted he would not be dropped by West Ham.Still no doubt the full force of the law will soon intervene.8 -
Stop this or we will get around to why Derek Hale's was called Killer !2
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How are they related? Not sure money has anything to do with it, he's just a dickhead.man_at_milletts said:Too much fucking money and too much fucking time on his hands. Complete c*nt. I hope the RSPCA charge him.7 -
RSPCA have taken his cats away.19
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Yes it bloody well is. You kick my dog, it's just as bad as kicking one of my children, and either way I'll be aiming to make sure you can never have children of your own once I'm done with you.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.7 -
The comparison just doesn’t need to be made, in my eyes kicking a human is worse than kicking an animal (realise I’ve just made the comparison) but obviously some see their pets as their children so who am I to judge.sam3110 said:
Yes it bloody well is. You kick my dog, it's just as bad as kicking one of my children, and either way I'll be aiming to make sure you can never have children of your own once I'm done with you.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.There’s no need to make such comparisons, can’t we all just agree it’s very bad and deserves punishment.3 -
whilst I fully understand and respect animal owners feeling that way about their pets (and I do believe they're part of the family), i agree with bobmumro, it isn't the same thing.sam3110 said:
Yes it bloody well is. You kick my dog, it's just as bad as kicking one of my children, and either way I'll be aiming to make sure you can never have children of your own once I'm done with you.bobmunro said:
No, it is absolutely not.ME14addick said:I wasn't going to look at the video but my husband found it and showed it to me. I am horrified by what I saw, not only was the actual act despicable, but to actually have it videoed and for there to be a row of laughing emojis at the bottom of the video is unbelievable.
Zouma should not be playing for West Ham and must be made an example of. West Ham should have done what Man Utd have done with Mason Greenwood and stopped him training and playing. Violence towards animals is just as bad as violence towards people.
it would be far worse if he was getting videoed volleying a child across his kitchen3
