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Is Thomas Driesen Gone? - he popped in on p16, and back out on p26
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I don’t really get this KB. What are you uncomfortable with here? I’m not sure what there is to gain by ‘cancelling’ someone. I’d much rather read what they have to say, take on board and see whether it impacts on my established opinion. If it’s not something you have any interest in, you can just not read the thread.KBslittlesis said:
All joking aside, I’m actually uncomfortable with it.LoOkOuT said:I won’t rest until I get to the bottom of which mod okayed this account!!!
In fact there’s quite a bit I’m uncomfortable with on here lately.Perhaps I’m just reading the room differently to others, but IMO it’s important to remember that Driesen was not a Southall or Farnell, seeking to use our club for self gain and to hell with the impact to us. Or even a Meire who saw the fans of the club as a war she had to win. I looked back on this thread and saw what I posted on page 4 in Jan 2020
”I’ve long felt the abuse and hate towards Tommy boy has been OTT. I’m not convinced how involved he was right at the beginning with the opening disasters, and equally I’m fairly sure he has had a positive influence in the excellent recruitment of the last two years.
The situation of Gallen & co having to filter their recommendations through him wasn’t ideal, but then again, it might not have been such a bad thing having an approval phase as independent and outside the inner camp. As said, it’s a process no one can argue from the outside hasn’t worked over the last two years.
Im glad for everyone he’s gone though”
As said, perhaps I’m an outliner as I’ve never really had any hate towards him, but I’m interested in reading the thoughts of someone involved with our club for a few years and I’m not sure why it should be discouraged imo. Particularly now it’s all historic. Just my view56 -
Exactly, we're only talking about him today because the little toad pops up trolling on Twitter every time we get a bad result or go on a poor run and now he appears to spout his usual and people are starstruck like Beyonce's rocked up with her thoughts. BizarreValleyGary said:This kid continues to laugh at our demise and other Charlton fans on Twitter and now people are interested in his bollocks?Na you’re alright.
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Lets get some facts out from the RD era.
Takes over a side in the Championship that had been severely depleted by the previous owners, but during that season until the takeover had not been in the relegation zone. A half decent side that needed quality investment and to build the squad numbers.
The owner chooses to bring in a load of rubbish players and 2 of our best players are sold.
This causes turmoil and matches called off put us in the relegation zone with 5 games in hand. Manager goes, new Manager keeps us up.
Owner then after 3 and half seasons of mis management we get relegated, 3 seasons in the 3rd Division only end due to a brilliant Manager keeping a close knit and small squad together and we get back to the level where the owner found us with very little infrastructure of the club left.
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Good on paper, shit in grass, and that's down to Gallen and his massive list of dudsGarrymanilow said:I don't think it's a coincidence, I think that unfortunately signing players isn't an exact science, and some DoFs have their moment and it passes. I hope that isn't the case with Gallen but he did seem to do excellent work bringing in players he was aware of from previous years and experiences and that well may have run a little dry. Driesen didn't scout anything, he looked at data, which is essentially what Martin Sandgaard will be doing. The problem we had in the early days of Driesen was actual football people were being overuled based on data and only data. It's very important that that isn't the case now and we will see. There's no evidence that the pool of players we're signing from has reduced because of Driesen, none whatsoever. We have been for the last few years and continue to be now recruiting players exclusively from the UK, and we know that it was Gallen and his contacts who were unearthing the Gallaghers and the Bieliks, we're hardly missing out on the finest League Two talent because Tommy is no longer reading data reports on Rochdale's left back. With Gallen at the moment I think of Steve Walsh. At Leicester, he identified Mahrez, Vardy and Kante among others and contributed to Leciester's ridiculous title win. He then went to Everton and recommended £150m worth of dross. He also says he suggested Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and 16 year old Erling Haaland, but I find it hard to believe anyone chose Davy Klaassen, Morgan Schneiderlin and Michael Keane over them. He now works as a special adviser for Charlotte FC in the MLS. His moment has passed.I also think the difference this season is we aren't necessarily buying bad players, we're getting decent players and wrecking them. Alex Gilbey was MK Dons' player of the year for two successive seasons at this level, and last night looked like a non-league player against that same team. MacGillivray was Pompey's player of the season last year, Scott Fraser was everyone's favourite player but I'm sure we'll ruin him yet. Chuks was a logical signing based on how well he did for us in League One, Stockley was good for actual Charlton before looking like an imposter the whole time Adkins was there after we signed him permanently. DJ was excellent for Swindon at L1 level and looked ready for a step up, Leko was good for us in the Championship but now looks atrocious in League One. There's some signings in there that aren't great, mostly last season under the cap at short notice, but there's few signings I've looked at this season and thought were a terrible idea. In fact, the players who arguably seemed least logical - George Dobson run out by Sunderland and Sean Clare unwanted at Oxford, CBT let go by L2 Tranmere - have given better accounts of themselves than most of the others. The loans have gone sideways, there's no doubt Gallen is struggling to identify usable potential, but the profile of our signings has actually been pretty good on paper. I don't know how far he can be blamed for the failure of the coaching staff to get that talent onto the pitch where others have succeeded. Fresh ideas might be the answer, but as Airman says Driesen was nothing more than an obstacle that has been removed.0 -
Oooooooooooo scout friendAFKABartram said:
I don’t really get this KB. What are you uncomfortable with here? I’m not sure what there is to gain by ‘cancelling’ someone. I’d much rather read what they have to say, take on board and see whether it impacts on my established opinion. If it’s not something you have any interest in, you can just not read the thread.KBslittlesis said:
All joking aside, I’m actually uncomfortable with it.LoOkOuT said:I won’t rest until I get to the bottom of which mod okayed this account!!!
In fact there’s quite a bit I’m uncomfortable with on here lately.Perhaps I’m just reading the room differently to others, but IMO it’s important to remember that Driesen was not a Southall or Farnell, seeking to use our club for self gain and to hell with the impact to us. Or even a Meire who saw the fans of the club as a war she had to win. I looked back on this thread and saw what I posted on page 4 in Jan 2020
”I’ve long felt the abuse and hate towards Tommy boy has been OTT. I’m not convinced how involved he was right at the beginning with the opening disasters, and equally I’m fairly sure he has had a positive influence in the excellent recruitment of the last two years.
The situation of Gallen & co having to filter their recommendations through him wasn’t ideal, but then again, it might not have been such a bad thing having an approval phase as independent and outside the inner camp. As said, it’s a process no one can argue from the outside hasn’t worked over the last two years.
Im glad for everyone he’s gone though”
As said, perhaps I’m an outliner as I’ve never really had any hate towards him, but I’m interested in reading the thoughts of someone involved with our club for a few years and I’m not sure why it should be discouraged imo. Particularly now it’s all historic. Just my view19 -
He didn’t think very highly of Chris Powell.AFKABartram said:
I don’t really get this KB. What are you uncomfortable with here? I’m not sure what there is to gain by ‘cancelling’ someone. I’d much rather read what they have to say, take on board and see whether it impacts on my established opinion. If it’s not something you have any interest in, you can just not read the thread.KBslittlesis said:
All joking aside, I’m actually uncomfortable with it.LoOkOuT said:I won’t rest until I get to the bottom of which mod okayed this account!!!
In fact there’s quite a bit I’m uncomfortable with on here lately.Perhaps I’m just reading the room differently to others, but IMO it’s important to remember that Driesen was not a Southall or Farnell, seeking to use our club for self gain and to hell with the impact to us. Or even a Meire who saw the fans of the club as a war she had to win. I looked back on this thread and saw what I posted on page 4 in Jan 2020
”I’ve long felt the abuse and hate towards Tommy boy has been OTT. I’m not convinced how involved he was right at the beginning with the opening disasters, and equally I’m fairly sure he has had a positive influence in the excellent recruitment of the last two years.
The situation of Gallen & co having to filter their recommendations through him wasn’t ideal, but then again, it might not have been such a bad thing having an approval phase as independent and outside the inner camp. As said, it’s a process no one can argue from the outside hasn’t worked over the last two years.
Im glad for everyone he’s gone though”
As said, perhaps I’m an outliner as I’ve never really had any hate towards him, but I’m interested in reading the thoughts of someone involved with our club for a few years and I’m not sure why it should be discouraged imo. Particularly now it’s all historic. Just my view
He was quick to insult then block any fan who questioned him quite fairly on Twitter.
He has continued to goad us as results haven’t gone our way.
I don’t hate him.
But I certainly do NOT trust him.
And as a member of this forum he can now delve into any thread he fancies.
Some threads that are quite personal to some.
Thats why I am uncomfortable.11 -
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I recall that Duchatelet himself said that he had difficulty with Yann because he felt that his wage demands were over the top and he personally didn’t like how he felt about it, which directly led to Yann leaving. Don’t remember Dreiser being mentioned as a part of the decision.1
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"One of the things I see people say about me is that I told Roland to sell fan favorite Yann Kermorgant. I have no idea where this came from (Airmanbrown or Jimmy Stone maybe)?BDL said:@ThomasD What was your role in the sale of Yann Kermorgant?In my report I highlighted him as our best player. But 3 of the other scouts said he was getting old and we could probably find better. So Roland listened to these poeple who were far more experienced then me and who did a very good job at Standard Liege in the years before. These same people also suggested Reza te come to Charlton, I didn't say 'no' but I said I had my doubts about him adjusting to English football"1 -
I don’t read Twitter so can’t comment on stuff Driesen has been saying about us or what fans have been saying to him, but I for one am interested in hearing what he has to say about that period and likewise any rebuttals other have to his comments.
No need for any nastiness.8 -
Cafc43v3r said:
"One of the things I see people say about me is that I told Roland to sell fan favorite Yann Kermorgant. I have no idea where this came from (Airmanbrown or Jimmy Stone maybe)?BDL said:@ThomasD What was your role in the sale of Yann Kermorgant?In my report I highlighted him as our best player. But 3 of the other scouts said he was getting old and we could probably find better. So Roland listened to these poeple who were far more experienced then me and who did a very good job at Standard Liege in the years before. These same people also suggested Reza te come to Charlton, I didn't say 'no' but I said I had my doubts about him adjusting to English football"
That's not true is it Thomas?
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And this is where I just don’t buy it, he takes little responsibility for the poor signings and the sales but all the credit for the good players picked up. It’s fluffing his own reputationCafc43v3r said:
"One of the things I see people say about me is that I told Roland to sell fan favorite Yann Kermorgant. I have no idea where this came from (Airmanbrown or Jimmy Stone maybe)?BDL said:@ThomasD What was your role in the sale of Yann Kermorgant?In my report I highlighted him as our best player. But 3 of the other scouts said he was getting old and we could probably find better. So Roland listened to these poeple who were far more experienced then me and who did a very good job at Standard Liege in the years before. These same people also suggested Reza te come to Charlton, I didn't say 'no' but I said I had my doubts about him adjusting to English football"5 -
In fairness, he did say “ The poeple who follow me on twitter have seen me name many times the players I was involved with and that where not a succes (Ceballos, El Hadji Ba, Franck Moussa, Roger Johnson). I probably am forgetting a few.”Rothko said:
And this is where I just don’t buy it, he takes little responsibility for the poor signings and the sales but all the credit for the good players picked up. It’s fluffing his own reputationCafc43v3r said:
"One of the things I see people say about me is that I told Roland to sell fan favorite Yann Kermorgant. I have no idea where this came from (Airmanbrown or Jimmy Stone maybe)?BDL said:@ThomasD What was your role in the sale of Yann Kermorgant?In my report I highlighted him as our best player. But 3 of the other scouts said he was getting old and we could probably find better. So Roland listened to these poeple who were far more experienced then me and who did a very good job at Standard Liege in the years before. These same people also suggested Reza te come to Charlton, I didn't say 'no' but I said I had my doubts about him adjusting to English football"5 -
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Meaninglessads said:
Good on paper, shit in grass, and that's down to Gallen and his massive list of dudsGarrymanilow said:I don't think it's a coincidence, I think that unfortunately signing players isn't an exact science, and some DoFs have their moment and it passes. I hope that isn't the case with Gallen but he did seem to do excellent work bringing in players he was aware of from previous years and experiences and that well may have run a little dry. Driesen didn't scout anything, he looked at data, which is essentially what Martin Sandgaard will be doing. The problem we had in the early days of Driesen was actual football people were being overuled based on data and only data. It's very important that that isn't the case now and we will see. There's no evidence that the pool of players we're signing from has reduced because of Driesen, none whatsoever. We have been for the last few years and continue to be now recruiting players exclusively from the UK, and we know that it was Gallen and his contacts who were unearthing the Gallaghers and the Bieliks, we're hardly missing out on the finest League Two talent because Tommy is no longer reading data reports on Rochdale's left back. With Gallen at the moment I think of Steve Walsh. At Leicester, he identified Mahrez, Vardy and Kante among others and contributed to Leciester's ridiculous title win. He then went to Everton and recommended £150m worth of dross. He also says he suggested Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and 16 year old Erling Haaland, but I find it hard to believe anyone chose Davy Klaassen, Morgan Schneiderlin and Michael Keane over them. He now works as a special adviser for Charlotte FC in the MLS. His moment has passed.I also think the difference this season is we aren't necessarily buying bad players, we're getting decent players and wrecking them. Alex Gilbey was MK Dons' player of the year for two successive seasons at this level, and last night looked like a non-league player against that same team. MacGillivray was Pompey's player of the season last year, Scott Fraser was everyone's favourite player but I'm sure we'll ruin him yet. Chuks was a logical signing based on how well he did for us in League One, Stockley was good for actual Charlton before looking like an imposter the whole time Adkins was there after we signed him permanently. DJ was excellent for Swindon at L1 level and looked ready for a step up, Leko was good for us in the Championship but now looks atrocious in League One. There's some signings in there that aren't great, mostly last season under the cap at short notice, but there's few signings I've looked at this season and thought were a terrible idea. In fact, the players who arguably seemed least logical - George Dobson run out by Sunderland and Sean Clare unwanted at Oxford, CBT let go by L2 Tranmere - have given better accounts of themselves than most of the others. The loans have gone sideways, there's no doubt Gallen is struggling to identify usable potential, but the profile of our signings has actually been pretty good on paper. I don't know how far he can be blamed for the failure of the coaching staff to get that talent onto the pitch where others have succeeded. Fresh ideas might be the answer, but as Airman says Driesen was nothing more than an obstacle that has been removed.
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I don't get it either it is proper weird. He's just after five minutes of fame.Rothko said:No better then Farnell puffing himself up on twitter earlier this week.
these rats of the past coming out when results look poor, and some fans jumping on them as honest brokers, is actually quiet sad0 -
If it isn’t , someone creative has got a lot of time on their hands . It’s definitely him and good on him for giving us some insight but what he fails to understand is what qualifies him over experienced managers and Charlton people to have the final say on transfers? I have slippers older than him .Lordflashheart said:Unless I have missed a post - there is no proof, as yet, that this is him posting …..
Happy to be corrected
The final say on players should ALWAYS be the manager as far as I’m concerned.
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Don't feel the need to apologise Thomas.ThomasD said:That haircut from the picture was taken as a joke because I just cut off my dreadlocks and now my remaining hair was very weird
Nothing wrong with that haircut whatsoever.
Philistines!!
Carly x
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That’s a very convenient list of players who could have been seen as ok signings at the time, compared to some of the utter shit brought over.AFKABartram said:
In fairness, he did say “ The poeple who follow me on twitter have seen me name many times the players I was involved with and that where not a succes (Ceballos, El Hadji Ba, Franck Moussa, Roger Johnson). I probably am forgetting a few.”Rothko said:
And this is where I just don’t buy it, he takes little responsibility for the poor signings and the sales but all the credit for the good players picked up. It’s fluffing his own reputationCafc43v3r said:
"One of the things I see people say about me is that I told Roland to sell fan favorite Yann Kermorgant. I have no idea where this came from (Airmanbrown or Jimmy Stone maybe)?BDL said:@ThomasD What was your role in the sale of Yann Kermorgant?In my report I highlighted him as our best player. But 3 of the other scouts said he was getting old and we could probably find better. So Roland listened to these poeple who were far more experienced then me and who did a very good job at Standard Liege in the years before. These same people also suggested Reza te come to Charlton, I didn't say 'no' but I said I had my doubts about him adjusting to English football"0 -
Easily done. His twitter account can DM the CharltonLife twitter account with details of the email he's used to register on the site, and we can confirm if that's correct.Lordflashheart said:Unless I have missed a post - there is no proof, as yet, that this is him posting …..
Happy to be corrected
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Are you Tommy D ? That would account for a lot .addick1956 said:
Bit of an insight if this is true. It seems reasonable.ThomasD said:Hi Charlton fans,6 -
Nastiness like this...?MrOneLung said:I don’t read Twitter so can’t comment on stuff Driesen has been saying about us or what fans have been saying to him, but I for one am interested in hearing what he has to say about that period and likewise any rebuttals other have to his comments.
No need for any nastiness.
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I think he's likely to have a better idea than most of us, given he was working at the club at the time.
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