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Post-Match Thread: Accrington Stanley vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 12th March 2022
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Exactly this!!. This situation isn’t a surprise to a lot of us, so why would the club think any different, blind hope.SELR_addicks said:
This is what happens when you promote the assistant of two poor management teams.blackpool72 said:
3 manager's have tried their hardest to get a tune out of this bunch of wankers.SELR_addicks said:Turning into Bowyer.
Slag off the players and then expect them to play for you over the next few months? Smart.
They ain't good enough
End of
You get poor management.3 -
Jackson is very much displaying the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over with our set up. The players are toilet and have given up which is primarily the main problem, but seeing this reliance on wing backs is ridiculous now. The wing backs don’t get forward and the back 3 look dodgy, regardless of personnel
@Clem_Snide and @blackpool72 have nailed it for me with their comments.8 -
No he didn't.Garrymanilow said:
I think the truth is blame can be laid at a lot of doors, not just one person's. Was it Sandgaard's fault that he brought in Dobson, who Adkins wouldn't play and is now the only consistently good player we have every week? Was it Sandgaard's fault that he spent a lot on the exact striker Adkins wanted retained, signed him a L1 player of the year in goal, signed him the statistically best creative player in the league and then got Arter in at Adkins' request when he didn't fancy Dobson? You can say Sandgaard brought the players in too late, but since then he's replaced Aneke with Aneke and signed the exact Scott Fraser every Charlton fan has been raving about for years. Adkins got things he wanted, so has Jackson and neither of them have been able to do a single thing with them except look terrible. I'm not apologising to Adkins for him alienating lots of squad members and failing to develop any momentum at the start of the season, I'm not apologising to Jackson for him not having the squad he wants when he's playing wingers and central midfielders at wing back and refusing to change absolutely anything even though it's clearly not working. Everything is shit, everyone is to blame. Burn them allSELR_addicks said:Adkins got screwed over in the summer with a bad squad that he had no input on.
Jackson took over and it's just shown that the squad isn't good enough.
If you think Jackson deserves another chance next season, you should apologise to Adkins for TS wasting his fantastic form last season and lumping him with this lot.
It was clear to anyone during the summer that Adkins wasn't happy and wasn't signing the caliber of players that he wanted.
We were told that Stockley, Davison and Washington was enough as a strikeforce. Went into the season with no left back. Told Morgan would have to do as our only attacking midfielder.
Kirk was the big signing that didn't fit with Adkins' formation.
It was a shambles and ruined the form from last season.24 -
Didn't have the strength to avoid being bullied or the quality to play through a limited side. It wasn't really noticeable that they were down to 10 men but imagine if we were down to 10 in the same circumstances, it would be like the Alamo. Jacko needs to understand why that is if he has any chance of putting things right.
Oh and you will only see defending like ours on Hackney Marshes! That first was a disgrace and standing off a player for the second is a basic error.3 -
Don't look like they're "building on the foundations" they laid last week with that "cleansheet draw" does it.
Lip service cliché bollocks. They ain't got the wherewithal to go anywhere, it is what it is, fu kin terrible.
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Irony is he's invested heavily in the team, spending more than most teams in this league but bought the wrong players and thinks he knows what he's doing and can run this as an owner/CEO with his son. Might be more sociable and have better teeth but he's just as deluded as Duchatelet1968CAFC said:Same Shit different Saturday.
shit midfield and wasted chances as always in the first 15 minutes than we settled down to our normal shite.
we were playing a dirty team of bashers and when they went down to ten men it made no difference to our crap performance.
Meanwhile our Rock n Roll owner wants to they to fill the valley 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you could not make this shit up.
invest in the team and the personnel running it
Or look foreword to League 2 membership.
Myself and my family before me have been season ticket holders since 1968 and I am losing the will watching this bunch of Crap every week 👎👎👎11 -
Just proves that last week really wasn’t a “good” pointGribbo said:Don't look like they're "building on the foundations" they laid last week with that "cleansheet draw" does it.
Lip service cliché bollocks. They ain't got the wherewithal to go anywhere, it is what it is, fu kin terrible.2 -
I feel for JJ. The behind the scenes structure is clearly shite, recruitment is shite - all is not well in the garden. Then we have a bunch of rather ordinary players and a lack of team spirit. No manager is going to make a silk purse out of pig’s bollocks.
and in terms of everyone going - not gonna happen. Lavelle, Pearce (?) Innis (?), Dobson, JFC, Lee (?), Stockley and Washington. Plus we have signed Chuks and Fraser and Clare. DJ will be about and probably Ben and AG.
then someone has to figure out how to make the most of the players with tactics, options and formation and buy based on that, rather than just talking to palace and birmingham and taking their scrapings.
Time for some back room changes, club management and structure changes and playing staff changes. Coaching needs a look too.
then judge Jackson when he’s had half a go with a half decent team with a half decent recruitment policy that actually fits a strategy0 -
May I be the first to suggest Dave Challinor at Stockport be approached at the end of the season,whichever division we are in.
Has a great track record as manager and clearly knows how to get the best from players.1 -
None of them!Scoham said:Jackson talking about being ruthless on decisions around who to keep. Good to hear but he may need a decent run in these last 10 games to keep his job.0 -
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usetobunkin said:One half of world is trying to kill the other half, at the moment i could not give a flying fuck if 11 men who pull on a Charlton shirt could not beat 10 men of a team who's name i can't even spell.
Thats how shit this is!!
For fuck sake someone at Charlton Athletic care!!
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Exactly. Performances ain't changed, the results are purely dependent on if the oppo turns up or notcafcdave123 said:
Just proves that last week really wasn’t a “good” pointGribbo said:Don't look like they're "building on the foundations" they laid last week with that "cleansheet draw" does it.
Lip service cliché bollocks. They ain't got the wherewithal to go anywhere, it is what it is, fu kin terrible.3 -
A serious indication of how bad we are, are the things my 7 year old daughter said:
'The team in black are rubbish''Charlton are in black'
Oh, I thought they played in red'
'So when we go to Cambridge, would you prefer to come with us to the match or go to the shops or the park with your mother?'
I'd like to watch Charlton.'
'Really. Why.''Well not because I like the football but I'd like to see if one of them has an accident.'
I'm not joking. Thinking about it though, that would be our easy way out. Claim on the insurance and buy a whole new team.13 -
Agree about the strike force but Kirk was playing a 4-3-3 at Crewe. He just had an attacking fullback behind him and he often had more space to run into with the ball.SELR_addicks said:
No he didn't.Garrymanilow said:
I think the truth is blame can be laid at a lot of doors, not just one person's. Was it Sandgaard's fault that he brought in Dobson, who Adkins wouldn't play and is now the only consistently good player we have every week? Was it Sandgaard's fault that he spent a lot on the exact striker Adkins wanted retained, signed him a L1 player of the year in goal, signed him the statistically best creative player in the league and then got Arter in at Adkins' request when he didn't fancy Dobson? You can say Sandgaard brought the players in too late, but since then he's replaced Aneke with Aneke and signed the exact Scott Fraser every Charlton fan has been raving about for years. Adkins got things he wanted, so has Jackson and neither of them have been able to do a single thing with them except look terrible. I'm not apologising to Adkins for him alienating lots of squad members and failing to develop any momentum at the start of the season, I'm not apologising to Jackson for him not having the squad he wants when he's playing wingers and central midfielders at wing back and refusing to change absolutely anything even though it's clearly not working. Everything is shit, everyone is to blame. Burn them allSELR_addicks said:Adkins got screwed over in the summer with a bad squad that he had no input on.
Jackson took over and it's just shown that the squad isn't good enough.
If you think Jackson deserves another chance next season, you should apologise to Adkins for TS wasting his fantastic form last season and lumping him with this lot.
It was clear to anyone during the summer that Adkins wasn't happy and wasn't signing the caliber of players that he wanted.
We were told that Stockley, Davison and Washington was enough as a strikeforce.
Kirk was the big signing that didn't fit with Adkins' formation.
It was a shambles and ruined the form from last season.
A lot of these are 4-2-3-1 players we're trying to play a 3-5-2 with.
Of the players asked to play out of position we've seen Clare adjust well until his recent dip. DJ has had some decent performances though they've been fleeting. Purrington, who has played LWB before looked good early in being able to get into the box but that has long since faded. And that's about it really.
We're a team caught between formations and styles of play.
We used to say that teams had figured out the 3-5-2. I don't even think that's the case anymore, I think we've just forgotten how to play it.4 -
I don’t see how seeing how someone goes is an option anymore, we aren’t an experiment with time to see what happens, we need to see progress and challenge for promotion, I don’t think JJ has the ability to make this happen at the moment. He is sticking with something that hasn’t worked for weeks and is continuing with it, sometimes admitting you are wrong can be a strength not just a weakness.RoanRedNY said:I feel for JJ. The behind the scenes structure is clearly shite, recruitment is shite - all is not well in the garden. Then we have a bunch of rather ordinary players and a lack of team spirit. No manager is going to make a silk purse out of pig’s bollocks.
and in terms of everyone going - not gonna happen. Lavelle, Pearce (?) Innis (?), Dobson, JFC, Lee (?), Stockley and Washington. Plus we have signed Chuks and Fraser and Clare. DJ will be about and probably Ben and AG.
then someone has to figure out how to make the most of the players with tactics, options and formation and buy based on that, rather than just talking to palace and birmingham and taking their scrapings.
Time for some back room changes, club management and structure changes and playing staff changes. Coaching needs a look too.
then judge Jackson when he’s had half a go with a half decent team with a half decent recruitment policy that actually fits a strategy2 -
Well where on earth do you start on that?
On paper, our team looks good. There are, on paper, some good players here. But on the pitch, this team is turning into one of the worst I have ever seen in over 50 years of watching Charlton.
There's no fight, there's no football brain (shown best by Leko continually being offside), there's no skill, and as Steve Brown little sign of any real comradeship either.
To be so comprehensively outplayed by a 10 man Accrington team is shameful. No wonder Jackson didn't even try to defend them in his post-match interview.
A few things are clear. MacGillivray is one of the worst keepers we have had in years. He is totally unable to come and take a cross. We need a new keeper desperately.
And Leko is a complete waste of space. Drop him off at Birmingham on the way back.
And this 3-1-4-2 formation is not working with these players. For Heavens sake try something different on Tuesday.
JJ will forever be a huge favourite of mine but he needs to change tactics now otherwise he is toast.
And finally, if anyone thinks we are not in a real relegation fight, they are seriously deluded. This lot could easily take us down. And if Gillingham beat us on Tuesday that will be a real possibility.16 -
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There's also quite a lot of shite in this squad who are shite no matter what formation we playSDAddick said:
Agree about the strike force but Kirk was playing a 4-3-3 at Crewe. He just had an attacking fullback behind him and he often had more space to run into with the ball.SELR_addicks said:
No he didn't.Garrymanilow said:
I think the truth is blame can be laid at a lot of doors, not just one person's. Was it Sandgaard's fault that he brought in Dobson, who Adkins wouldn't play and is now the only consistently good player we have every week? Was it Sandgaard's fault that he spent a lot on the exact striker Adkins wanted retained, signed him a L1 player of the year in goal, signed him the statistically best creative player in the league and then got Arter in at Adkins' request when he didn't fancy Dobson? You can say Sandgaard brought the players in too late, but since then he's replaced Aneke with Aneke and signed the exact Scott Fraser every Charlton fan has been raving about for years. Adkins got things he wanted, so has Jackson and neither of them have been able to do a single thing with them except look terrible. I'm not apologising to Adkins for him alienating lots of squad members and failing to develop any momentum at the start of the season, I'm not apologising to Jackson for him not having the squad he wants when he's playing wingers and central midfielders at wing back and refusing to change absolutely anything even though it's clearly not working. Everything is shit, everyone is to blame. Burn them allSELR_addicks said:Adkins got screwed over in the summer with a bad squad that he had no input on.
Jackson took over and it's just shown that the squad isn't good enough.
If you think Jackson deserves another chance next season, you should apologise to Adkins for TS wasting his fantastic form last season and lumping him with this lot.
It was clear to anyone during the summer that Adkins wasn't happy and wasn't signing the caliber of players that he wanted.
We were told that Stockley, Davison and Washington was enough as a strikeforce.
Kirk was the big signing that didn't fit with Adkins' formation.
It was a shambles and ruined the form from last season.
A lot of these are 4-2-3-1 players we're trying to play a 3-5-2 with.
Of the players asked to play out of position we've seen Clare adjust well until his recent dip. DJ has had some decent performances though they've been fleeting. Purrington, who has played LWB before looked good early in being able to get into the box but that has long since faded. And that's about it really.
We're a team caught between formations and styles of play.
We used to say that teams had figured out the 3-5-2. I don't even think that's the case anymore, I think we've just forgotten how to play it.0 -
Cheers mate.cabbles said:Jackson is very much displaying the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over with our set up. The players are toilet and have given up which is primarily the main problem, but seeing this reliance on wing backs is ridiculous now. The wing backs don’t get forward and the back 3 look dodgy, regardless of personnel
@Clem_Snide and @blackpool72 have nailed it for me with their comments.
I hope you enjoyed your bread pudding and have a safe journey home.1 -
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What is are run of form then if not horrendous.Callumcafc said:Brownie says he would be expecting us to win at least two, if not three, of the next four.
Gillingham are the toughest opponent there. Burton, Wimbledon and Doncaster are all on horrendous runs of form and I entirely agree that those are the games where we must pick up the points to give us the breathing room heading into April.
They are more likely to best us than we are to beat them.0 -
This is my point. They didn’t even have to get out of second gear, and looked like they were coasting because we have a complete inability to play football.SELR_addicks said:0 -
What you need in League One is pragmatism. You can get away without it at the top of the game but a manager who has a preferred system in league one is a liability. You look at what you have and find what works best with that. Accrington are a good example of that.paulfox said:
I don’t see how seeing how someone goes is an option anymore, we aren’t an experiment with time to see what happens, we need to see progress and challenge for promotion, I don’t think JJ has the ability to make this happen at the moment. He is sticking with something that hasn’t worked for weeks and is continuing with it, sometimes admitting you are wrong can be a strength not just a weakness.RoanRedNY said:I feel for JJ. The behind the scenes structure is clearly shite, recruitment is shite - all is not well in the garden. Then we have a bunch of rather ordinary players and a lack of team spirit. No manager is going to make a silk purse out of pig’s bollocks.
and in terms of everyone going - not gonna happen. Lavelle, Pearce (?) Innis (?), Dobson, JFC, Lee (?), Stockley and Washington. Plus we have signed Chuks and Fraser and Clare. DJ will be about and probably Ben and AG.
then someone has to figure out how to make the most of the players with tactics, options and formation and buy based on that, rather than just talking to palace and birmingham and taking their scrapings.
Time for some back room changes, club management and structure changes and playing staff changes. Coaching needs a look too.
then judge Jackson when he’s had half a go with a half decent team with a half decent recruitment policy that actually fits a strategy4 -
I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.9 -
This whole squad is terrible but we need to change the formation as its painfully obvious it's not working to at least give us a chance of getting a few more points1
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I think you miss my point, JJ inherited what he got on and off the pitch. You would have to see how any new manager “goes’ with what he’s got, and if the structure, back room, recruiting doesn’t change htf is anyone supposed to achieve unrealistic expectations. JJ is probably achieving the possible with a bunch of players that are basically 12-16th standard.paulfox said:
I don’t see how seeing how someone goes is an option anymore, we aren’t an experiment with time to see what happens, we need to see progress and challenge for promotion, I don’t think JJ has the ability to make this happen at the moment. He is sticking with something that hasn’t worked for weeks and is continuing with it, sometimes admitting you are wrong can be a strength not just a weakness.RoanRedNY said:I feel for JJ. The behind the scenes structure is clearly shite, recruitment is shite - all is not well in the garden. Then we have a bunch of rather ordinary players and a lack of team spirit. No manager is going to make a silk purse out of pig’s bollocks.
and in terms of everyone going - not gonna happen. Lavelle, Pearce (?) Innis (?), Dobson, JFC, Lee (?), Stockley and Washington. Plus we have signed Chuks and Fraser and Clare. DJ will be about and probably Ben and AG.
then someone has to figure out how to make the most of the players with tactics, options and formation and buy based on that, rather than just talking to palace and birmingham and taking their scrapings.
Time for some back room changes, club management and structure changes and playing staff changes. Coaching needs a look too.
then judge Jackson when he’s had half a go with a half decent team with a half decent recruitment policy that actually fits a strategy
give him a chance with the players he wants with the changes needed behind the scenes. It is exactly what you have to do with a new manager, and no new manager makes the existing back room and current playing staff any better without change. Keep changing the manager is basically just doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
We have time, we are 3rd quartile, 3rd division team and there is nothing at the the club currently that will change with an in solus manager change. If a new manager has to come in, all the other stuff I mentioned also needs to happen. And if you honestly believe the current set up sans Jackson will change this team from a 3rd quartile to a first octile performing side pushing for promotion, then the most obvious change to make is expectations, not the manager. That would reduce the angst, introduce some reality and perhaps highlight the deeper issues in the corporate structure, player acquisition and team performance that any new manager would still be saddled with1 -
Anyone got anymore quotes from Jacko's post match please?0
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Jackson had a transfer window and signed zero centre-backs and a wing-back that hasn't really played. Signed two attacking midfielders instead (1 of which, again, hasn't played).DartfordAddick said:I didn't see the post match Jacko interview, I was too annoyed with a crap display.
We're winless and have been shit for 7 games. Jacko is probably guilty of many things, but I can't see how calling out the players for a gutless, brain dead and inept display can be one them. Say what you want about the formation and tactics, I didn't agree with Fraser and Lee in the midfield or Clare at rwb, but look at our defending for their winning goal.. It's mental from the players, we're supposed to have 3 cb's and they've all either gone missing or been bullied, even that's forgetting wing-backs who should at least be on the scene and covering. You can bash tactics and training but surely it's commen sense for a professional footballer?
I still don't know if Jackson is the answer or not, I just can't work out how it's all gone so tits up since his appointment. There'd have been outrage if he hadn't got the job when he did, even at the time some of us saw it as an insult it took so long.
Maybe this makes me a Jacko apologist, but I don't trust half these players as far as I could throw them, they've played many different formations for different managers and been useless. I hope we chuck most of them out and start fresh. If Jackson has to go, I hope it's not a few weeks into the summer, we need to be focusing on preparation for next year. Problem with that, is that we're so damn crap at the minute we can't even be sure we're safe this year.
What a depressing season. I'm coming over for Burton, will be my last game before leaving the coumtry for work for a year or so. I hope I can end on a high.. I don't feel too confident at the moment.
If this was the formation chosen, surely those were the priority. That's why he should get (some) blame for this mess.1 -
Absolutely dreadful . You know we will concede stupid goals, while up front we offer nothing other than aimless lumps into the box which were meat and drink for their giant centre backs
sorry, but you can’t just blame the players and excuse the management. We still have players who should be much better than a L1 relegation scrap.
What do they work on all week?
- Still letting in the same soft goals
- No attacking flair
- Predictable set pieces
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So many of them have been poor but one of the standout piles of horse crap this season is Leko. Useless.Doesn’t care and should be plying his trade in the UAE or Malta or somewhere like that.Epitomises the gutlessness of the 21/22 Charlton player22
