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Post-Match Thread: Accrington Stanley vs Charlton Athletic | Saturday 12th March 2022
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I would still have preferred you upfront over Leko!ForeverAddickted said:Sounds like having a stomach bug and being stuck in bed all day yesterday, with no energy... Worked out being a good thing for me then7 -
Posted this in another thread. Not completely serious but it shows this squad is a lot closer to the 10/11 side than we like to admit. This squad has more technical ability but L1 has improved too with more teams playing out from the back, and most playing 4-2-3-1, 4-3-3, 3-5-2 or similar - very few clubs play 4-4-2, even including those who are more direct like Accrington.
Dagenham = Accrington: former non-league club
2-1 = 2-1: same result
Powell = Jackson: former player struggling as manager
Warner = CM: unconvincing goalkeeper
Jenkinson = Clare: academy player at full/wing back
Daily = Pearce: ageing captain at CB
Llera = Lavelle: average CB
Fry = Purrington: defensive full back, limited going forward
Wagstaff = Lee: lightweight attacking midfielder
Parrett = Fraser: January signing and the new hope in central midfield
Semedo = Dobson: battling defensive midfielder and player of the year to be
McCormack = Gunter: good signing on paper but never performed for us
Nouble = Leko: promising loan, player you can't wait to send back in reality
Wright-Phillips = Stockley: reliable striker, key for this season and next
Sullivan = Harvey: sub goalkeeper who will hopefully never have to play
Doherty = Matthews: see McCormack = Gunter
Morgan = Solly: academy player written off by many
Reid = Washington: a bit of hope amongst a poor bench, squad player if he stays next season
Racon = Gilbey: overrated midfielder, on the bench for a reason. No end product
Eccleston = Burstow: loan attacker from one of the big clubs, not that good in reality
Fortune = DJ: another good signing on paper but left out for a good reason
4-4-2 = 3-5-2: formation questioned but not the problem
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What happened to Nile John ? He was recommended by none other than Chris Powell ,by all accounts .Now seems off the radar0
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I am not sure that being off side,(even twice) makes anyone a bad player, though .One could argue the delivery was wrong, or too slowbromleyjohn said:Was there. The only positive is Washington is back. The negatives ; disjointed, leko doesn’t know how to avoid being offside, disjointed and oh er disjointed0 -
442 for next match.
Mac, Clare, Lavelle, Famewo, Purrington; Dobson, Fraser, Dobson, Dobson, Washington, Stockley
Simple.
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So true about the first goal ,As Curbs pointed out there was four players around him (goal scorer)--I am 74, but i am sure i could have moved across ,and blocked that shotMuttleyCAFC said:The big problem is I would have been upset with the team I managed at youth level when they conceeded a goal like Accrington's first. There were multiple opportunities for somebody to take responsibility and it just didn't happen. I think the term is panic stations. The defence is a shambles and has been for a while. The attack has been non existent and only now we have started getting players back. It is a sorry state of affairs and the club should be embarassed.0 -
When Stockley had that chance in the first three minutes, and all he had to do was take a touch and put it away, but instead he miscontrolled it, then bounced it off his shin and away, I groaned...
Our talismen over the years have all been players who are primarily good with their feet. They play on the half-turn, they can turn and shoot, they are deadly in the box and they can control a bloody football. What is Stockley doing here?
It pains me we didn't go for someone like Dion Charles who looks like that Charlton-style striker.
I have to wonder what are we building with Stockley up front? What's the point of getting someone like Fraser in, who will create chances to feet, and hope to play bounce passes off his striker, when Stockley is hopeless with anything other than his head.
No wonder we are so disjointed as a team and have no pattern of play when our main striker is a massive lump.7 -
We'll all know Tuesday night, after the Gills match -80/1, might look very goodJaShea99 said:As bad as it is, we’re obviously not going down, so I’m not sure why people keep talking as though we are. If you genuinely think we will then put your money where your mouth is, as we’re currently 80/1.0 -
No Jonny, I wont sign, I'm not a ninety minute player. From the bench perhapspaulg1947 said:
So true about the first goal ,As Curbs pointed out there was four players around him (goal scorer)--I am 74, but i am sure i could have moved across ,and blocked that shotMuttleyCAFC said:The big problem is I would have been upset with the team I managed at youth level when they conceeded a goal like Accrington's first. There were multiple opportunities for somebody to take responsibility and it just didn't happen. I think the term is panic stations. The defence is a shambles and has been for a while. The attack has been non existent and only now we have started getting players back. It is a sorry state of affairs and the club should be embarassed.2 -
I expect we looked at Charles but he’s stayed up north. Probably what Kirk realises he should have done too. It worked in our favour when Taylor chose us over Sunderland.Chunes said:When Stockley had that chance in the first three minutes, and all he had to do was take a touch and put it away, but instead he miscontrolled it, then bounced it off his shin and away, I groaned...
Our talismen over the years have all been players who are primarily good with their feet. They play on the half-turn, they can turn and shoot, they are deadly in the box and they can control a bloody football. What is Stockley doing here?
It pains me we didn't go for someone like Dion Charles who strikes me as that Charlton-style striker.
I have to wonder what are we building with Stockley up front? What's the point of getting someone like Fraser in, who will create chances to feet, and hope to play bounce passes off his striker, when Stockley is hopeless with anything other than his head.
No wonder we are so disjointed as a team and have no pattern of play when our main striker is a massive lump.2 -
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It might be a bit harsh, but I agree that having two mobile strikers with a mix of technique and strength is what we should aim for (like Taylor was for us). We need pressing and movement for this formation.Chunes said:When Stockley had that chance in the first three minutes, and all he had to do was take a touch and put it away, but instead he miscontrolled it, then bounced it off his shin and away, I groaned...
Our talismen over the years have all been players who are primarily good with their feet. They play on the half-turn, they can turn and shoot, they are deadly in the box and they can control a bloody football. What is Stockley doing here?
It pains me we didn't go for someone like Dion Charles who strikes me as that Charlton-style striker.
I have to wonder what are we building with Stockley up front? What's the point of getting someone like Fraser in, who will create chances to feet, and hope to play bounce passes off his striker, when Stockley is hopeless with anything other than his head.
No wonder we are so disjointed as a team and have no pattern of play when our main striker is a massive lump.2 -
Probably more chance of you giving a shit yesterday than some of our wasters on the pitch.ForeverAddickted said:Sounds like having a stomach bug and being stuck in bed all day yesterday, with no energy... Worked out being a good thing for me then0 -
Just watched the highlights... Jeez dont know what to make of either goal from them.
That Free Kick, with their bloke dropping off, that looks SO pre planned... Why the hell did he get left so alone? - I've wondered at first if Stockley or the other bloke have been idiots to leave the ball well alone in the first place, but it does look slightly too high for them.
Instead they've both gone running back towards goal, I suspect because they think the fella behind them has done they same, but they're doing nothing more than ball watching, plain and simple.0 -
The most concerning thing for me is how the team don't look like they're getting even the most basic things right. They don't look like they need tweaking, they look like they need taking back to the classroom or sacking.
Truly hope the Club's official Instagram page wont be sharing photos of horse play and the players f ckin about on the training ground this week.8 -
Not only because of yesterday, but Gunter is the most useless and clueless throw in taker I can ever remember playing for Charlton.
If in any doubt you throw it long and down the line, not dither, show poor physical technique and then do such an uncertain throw it sets the opposition on the attack.0 -
Scored with his foot yesterday! :-)Chunes said:When Stockley had that chance in the first three minutes, and all he had to do was take a touch and put it away, but instead he miscontrolled it, then bounced it off his shin and away, I groaned...
Our talismen over the years have all been players who are primarily good with their feet. They play on the half-turn, they can turn and shoot, they are deadly in the box and they can control a bloody football. What is Stockley doing here?
It pains me we didn't go for someone like Dion Charles who strikes me as that Charlton-style striker.
I have to wonder what are we building with Stockley up front? What's the point of getting someone like Fraser in, who will create chances to feet, and hope to play bounce passes off his striker, when Stockley is hopeless with anything other than his head.
No wonder we are so disjointed as a team and have no pattern of play when our main striker is a massive lump.2 -
Can’t understand how we only have one player capable of throwing the ball any distance; Matthews.seth plum said:Not only because of yesterday, but Gunter is the most useless and clueless throw in taker I can ever remember playing for Charlton.
If in any doubt you throw it long and down the line, not dither, show poor physical technique and then do such an uncertain throw it sets the opposition on the attack.I see plenty of Sunday matches on Clapham Common where throws regularly reach the six yard box. It’s a simple technique. You literally have use your back, as well as your arms. It’s a useful weapon in L1. It’s also useful for the throws down the line which can often result in another throw for us, but nearer their goal. Basic stuff.1 -
This is absolutely spot on mate. Foul throws, throw ins going straight back out etc. That's genuinely primary school level of mistakesGribbo said:The most concerning thing for me is how the team don't look like they're getting even the most basic things right. They don't look like they need tweaking, they look like they need taking back to the classroom or sacking.
Truly hope the Club's official Instagram page wont be sharing photos of horse play and the players f ckin about on the training ground this week.3 -
I think it was tactical. Washington came on and went up top, Leko moved out to rwb where Clare was, Clare came into the back three. At the time, it looked like one of the only things that made sense y’day and a sensible move from Jackson given we were trailing.Weegie Addick said:There is no leadership on the pitch. There was last weekend when Pearce gave his all. I’ve not read every word of this thread so more may have been said already about him being our first player subbed off today. Was it injury? If not, I don’t understand.Macgillivray is not good enough and the rot starts there
Lavelle may be about 15 years younger than Pearce but he’s even slower with less positional sense - sorry, not one for the future imo.
Stockley has prima donna tendencies despite being a very average L1/2 striker.
Fraser faded in and out today and his corners were mediocre. Albie would get pellters for such a performance. Fraser gets a bit of a pass due to being in covid recovery phase.
All four of the above are under contract for next season. Are they the spine of a promotion side? Serious doubts here, I’m afraid, unless we’re talking promotion from L2 back to L1,Personally, I don’t think it made much of a difference to the leadership on the pitch afterwards but agree with your general point about lack of leadership. The worst thing is that we’re still having to rely on Pearce for it. As good as he’s been during his time here, we really should be using him sparingly on the playing front. He’s just not someone who should be playing as much as he has if we were serious about promotion, but needs must.I expect Famewo won’t play much between now and the end of the season as a couple of fans mentioned to me y’day that he’s made his mind up about not wanting to be here next season. If that’s true then let’s not give him the chance to put himself in the shop window and work on getting Lavelle better or maybe even Elewere
Now is the time to ruthlessly cut the ones that have no future here7 -
Exactly; you can blame poor results on injuries etc etc, but when you look at the performance, regardless of result, and you've got pro players who are struggling to pick someone out from a throw-in, not on just the one occasion either, you know you've got problems.JamesSeed said:
Can’t understand how we only have one player capable of throwing the ball any distance; Matthews.seth plum said:Not only because of yesterday, but Gunter is the most useless and clueless throw in taker I can ever remember playing for Charlton.
If in any doubt you throw it long and down the line, not dither, show poor physical technique and then do such an uncertain throw it sets the opposition on the attack.I see plenty of Sunday matches on Clapham Common where throws regularly reach the six yard box. It’s a simple technique. You literally have use your back, as well as your arms. It’s a useful weapon in L1. It’s also useful for the throws down the line which can often result in another throw for us, but nearer their goal. Basic stuff.1 -
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You can watch more accomplished Sunday league football and even junior teams.Croydon said:
This is absolutely spot on mate. Foul throws, throw ins going straight back out etc. That's genuinely primary school level of mistakesGribbo said:The most concerning thing for me is how the team don't look like they're getting even the most basic things right. They don't look like they need tweaking, they look like they need taking back to the classroom or sacking.
Truly hope the Club's official Instagram page wont be sharing photos of horse play and the players f ckin about on the training ground this week.
NB - Realise all these posts from everone just sounds like angry football fans venting off, but everyone is nailing it. Regardless of Jacko or Thomas, this team is abysmal4 -
Jackson's post-match interviews are really starting to smack of desperation now. A leader who starts to blame their 'followers' for a lack of productivity/performance, is a leader who can no longer motivate their team/individuals.
Yes, it's easy to assume that a workforce who are on a relatively decent salary should perform day in, day out, but unfortunately, human behaviour and what motivates us doesn't quite work like that. Money is only a short term motivator, there are many other motivational factors that need to be met in individuals' that drive us to perform.
A good leader/manager is able to adapt their style of leadership to meet the needs of the individual in order to motivate them to perform; that, in a nutshell, is situational leadership. The only way that can be achieved is by really understanding your 'people', their behaviours and what motivates them, through the application of good emotional intelligence. A good leader is also very self-aware; that is, aware of the impact that their own actions, behaviours, have on others and how those actions can both motivate/de-motivate.
This, of course, is all underpinned by good communication, trust and clear direction. At the moment, the team look rudderless. They look like a collective of individuals who don't really know what their role is, and probably don't feel 'safe' to be able to articulate that message to their 'leader'.
Quite simply, individual players are not performing because they lack motivation and clear direction. It's too simplistic to suggest they should just 'wear the shirt with pride and get on with it', it doesn't work like that, unfortunately.
Jackson will have his own vision and the route that he wants to take to achieve it. However, he needs to recognise the tools at his disposal and adapt accordingly. Quite clearly, his propensity with 3-5-2 is failing, and his intransigence in failing to recognise that is worrying.
The more he persists with it, the more it will fail. Players will continue to 'follow' his 'lead' as passive followers whilst continuing on their downward spiral of low motivation because they have no belief in the system and the leadership of their manager.
Human behaviour is a funny old beast, especially as we are all different and all see and interpret things differently. There are many tools and mechanisms out there that help us understand the motivators and drivers behind people and their behaviours. Whether or not a football club like Charlton uses/employs them, I don't know?
It doesn't matter if you're a well paid footballer or someone at the other end of the scale (if you like); if you're not motivated and have no clear direction, you underperform (either consciously or subconsciously).9 -
Didn’t follow anything but soccer Saturday yesterday. One of the key problems is that I don’t think anyone knows what are best team is Jacko included. If we asked 100 people on here to pick our team and formation for Tuesday, we would probably get 100 different teams and formations. Can’t be long until Albie Morgan and Castillo are back in the starting 11.
Chaotic and embarrassing.2 -
I’m struggling with the idea that so many of our players aren’t motivated because they have nothing to play for, as surely that applies to many of opponents too.
Accrington are safe in mid table for another season, they have loan players who are unlikely to return, and I bet they have players out of contract this summer too. They’ll give 100% for the rest of the season9 -
Absolutely agree mate but we will surely get relegated if we play the next ten games with three players.cabbles said:
I think it was tactical. Washington came on and went up top, Leko moved out to rwb where Clare was, Clare came into the back three. At the time, it looked like one of the only things that made sense y’day and a sensible move from Jackson given we were trailing.Weegie Addick said:There is no leadership on the pitch. There was last weekend when Pearce gave his all. I’ve not read every word of this thread so more may have been said already about him being our first player subbed off today. Was it injury? If not, I don’t understand.Macgillivray is not good enough and the rot starts there
Lavelle may be about 15 years younger than Pearce but he’s even slower with less positional sense - sorry, not one for the future imo.
Stockley has prima donna tendencies despite being a very average L1/2 striker.
Fraser faded in and out today and his corners were mediocre. Albie would get pellters for such a performance. Fraser gets a bit of a pass due to being in covid recovery phase.
All four of the above are under contract for next season. Are they the spine of a promotion side? Serious doubts here, I’m afraid, unless we’re talking promotion from L2 back to L1,Personally, I don’t think it made much of a difference to the leadership on the pitch afterwards but agree with your general point about lack of leadership. The worst thing is that we’re still having to rely on Pearce for it. As good as he’s been during his time here, we really should be using him sparingly on the playing front. He’s just not someone who should be playing as much as he has if we were serious about promotion, but needs must.I expect Famewo won’t play much between now and the end of the season as a couple of fans mentioned to me y’day that he’s made his mind up about not wanting to be here next season. If that’s true then let’s not give him the chance to put himself in the shop window and work on getting Lavelle better or maybe even Elewere
Now is the time to ruthlessly cut the ones that have no future here4 -
Yesterday was my 3rd away game I’ve been to all season and I won’t be doing anymore this season. All 3 I’ve witnessed have been a shit show of a performance, can’t even do the basics right. I cannot bare spending another £101 for the train ticket and a match ticket to watch this dogshit.
I don’t think the players liked me after the game yesterday as I really made my feelings clear to them. Stockley looked straight over at me while he was clapping at the fans.
This is totally unacceptable. I’m even debating going on Tuesday!
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I agree to a certain extent, a good leader should be able to motivate their teams, but a good leader can also recognise when there are bad eggs that are beyond motivation and are infecting everybody else. They know when these people need to go. You can't save everyone, especially from themselves.bazjonster said:A good leader/manager is able to adapt their style of leadership to meet the needs of the individual in order to motivate them to perform; that, in a nutshell, is situational leadership. The only way that can be achieved is by really understanding your 'people', their behaviours and what motivates them, through the application of good emotional intelligence. A good leader is also very self-aware; that is, aware of the impact that their own actions, behaviours, have on others and how those actions can both motivate/de-motivate.
It doesn't matter if you're a well paid footballer or someone at the other end of the scale (if you like); if you're not motivated and have no clear direction, you underperform (either consciously or subconsciously).
This is now the third manager this 'group' have performed similarly under. We clearly have these bad eggs and a pretty awful dressing room culture.
The captain also seems to escape all criticism for not motivating or holding players accountable. Lee Bowyer said as much about him. You don't see him even voicing his opinions out on the pitch, his head drops.2 -
Missed you on the match thread yesterday @ForeverAddickted , would have been "interesting" hearing your take on the whole debacle unfolding before us...hopefully feeling better this morning, and up for it Tuesday..ForeverAddickted said:Sounds like having a stomach bug and being stuck in bed all day yesterday, with no energy... Worked out being a good thing for me then
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A good leader should also be able to accept and recognise they need to be flexible in there thinking and not so stubborn.Chunes said:
I agree to a certain extent, a good leader should be able to motivate their teams, but a good leader can also recognise when there are bad eggs that are beyond motivation and are infecting everybody else. They know when these people need to go. You can't save everyone, especially from themselves.bazjonster said:A good leader/manager is able to adapt their style of leadership to meet the needs of the individual in order to motivate them to perform; that, in a nutshell, is situational leadership. The only way that can be achieved is by really understanding your 'people', their behaviours and what motivates them, through the application of good emotional intelligence. A good leader is also very self-aware; that is, aware of the impact that their own actions, behaviours, have on others and how those actions can both motivate/de-motivate.
It doesn't matter if you're a well paid footballer or someone at the other end of the scale (if you like); if you're not motivated and have no clear direction, you underperform (either consciously or subconsciously).
This is now the third manager this 'group' have performed similarly under. We clearly have these bad eggs and a pretty awful dressing room culture.
The captain also seems to escape all criticism for not motivating or holding players accountable. Lee Bowyer said as much about him. You don't see him even voicing his opinions out on the pitch, his head drops.0
