Traffic chaos in Kent
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Hertsseasider said:ME14addick said:The M20 is in an even bigger mess now, as it is closed coastbound from J8 to J11 for non freight traffic. It's unlikely to get any better for several more days.0
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tommyr said:as a Harrietsham resident i can confirm the A20 is basically stationary.0
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What about Manston Airport?
What about facilities for lorry drivers in queues or holding areas?
Are there similar queues at the land border between the UK and the EU?
What about the ‘Festival of Brexit’ celebrations?
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seth plum said:What about Manston Airport?
What about facilities for lorry drivers in queues or holding areas?
Are there similar queues at the land border between the UK and the EU?
What about the ‘Festival of Brexit’ celebrations?
…oops…..
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addick1956 said:iainment said:Every time I see this thread this pops into mind;
Kent overwhelmingly votes to leave the EU
24 June 2016IMAGE SOURCE, PA
Image caption,South East MEP and UKIP leader Nigel Farage has been celebrating victory for the leave camp
People in Kent have voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.
Over 970,000 people in the county cast a vote in the historic referendum, with 59% voting to leave and 41% to remain.
Tunbridge Wells was the county's only district that voted to stay in the EU, with 54.9% voting to remain and 45.1% to leave. Turnout there was 79%.
Local Conservative MP Greg Clark tweeted: "Now, as we negotiate with our European neighbours, we must show calm judgement and mutual respect."
Ashford, Canterbury, Dartford, Dover, Tonbridge and Malling, Gravesham, Maidstone, Medway, Sevenoaks, Shepway, Swale and Thanet all voted to leave, with Gravesham delivering the biggest vote at 65.4%.
The closest race was in Canterbury with 51% voting to leave and 49% to remain.
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So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
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seth plum said:What about Manston Airport?
What about facilities for lorry drivers in queues or holding areas?
Are there similar queues at the land border between the UK and the EU?
What about the ‘Festival of Brexit’ celebrations?
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golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
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seth plum said:What about Manston Airport?
What about facilities for lorry drivers in queues or holding areas?
Are there similar queues at the land border between the UK and the EU?
What about the ‘Festival of Brexit’ celebrations?
…oops…..
As you know I am now a big critic of Brexit, even though I voted for it in 2016, but the main problem is the action of P & O in sacking 800 workers and the fact that the ships don't have the necessary safety certificates, due to having taken on an untrained foreign workforce. After the Herald of Free Enterprise disaster, safety is paramount in the running of a ferry service.
I did ask National Highways why the same chaos isn't being seen in France and was told that France is a much bigger country and that HGVs can choose whether or not to travel to the UK. Hopefully this will not lead to a shortage in the shops, but it seems likely, as why would companies risk their lorries being stuck getting back to Europe.
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iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
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iainment said:Every time I see this thread this pops into mind;
Kent overwhelmingly votes to leave the EU
24 June 2016IMAGE SOURCE, PA
Image caption,South East MEP and UKIP leader Nigel Farage has been celebrating victory for the leave camp
People in Kent have voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.
Over 970,000 people in the county cast a vote in the historic referendum, with 59% voting to leave and 41% to remain.
Tunbridge Wells was the county's only district that voted to stay in the EU, with 54.9% voting to remain and 45.1% to leave. Turnout there was 79%.
Local Conservative MP Greg Clark tweeted: "Now, as we negotiate with our European neighbours, we must show calm judgement and mutual respect."
Ashford, Canterbury, Dartford, Dover, Tonbridge and Malling, Gravesham, Maidstone, Medway, Sevenoaks, Shepway, Swale and Thanet all voted to leave, with Gravesham delivering the biggest vote at 65.4%.
The closest race was in Canterbury with 51% voting to leave and 49% to remain.
Operation Stack was first instituted in 1988.5 -
SporadicAddick said:iainment said:Every time I see this thread this pops into mind;
Kent overwhelmingly votes to leave the EU
24 June 2016IMAGE SOURCE, PA
Image caption,South East MEP and UKIP leader Nigel Farage has been celebrating victory for the leave camp
People in Kent have voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.
Over 970,000 people in the county cast a vote in the historic referendum, with 59% voting to leave and 41% to remain.
Tunbridge Wells was the county's only district that voted to stay in the EU, with 54.9% voting to remain and 45.1% to leave. Turnout there was 79%.
Local Conservative MP Greg Clark tweeted: "Now, as we negotiate with our European neighbours, we must show calm judgement and mutual respect."
Ashford, Canterbury, Dartford, Dover, Tonbridge and Malling, Gravesham, Maidstone, Medway, Sevenoaks, Shepway, Swale and Thanet all voted to leave, with Gravesham delivering the biggest vote at 65.4%.
The closest race was in Canterbury with 51% voting to leave and 49% to remain.
Operation Stack was first instituted in 1988.1 -
iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
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Bailey said:iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
Although I think the bit about the Russians funding Brexit is probably true. I went to a pub in West Malling with my Kentish family recently and they all paid for their vodka in roubles. (They didn't really...)1 -
It will be 4.5% of FA if Putin turns the Gas tap of to Europe. You might be right about Trumps funding but not Brexit. The Government of the day, Tory, produced a very pro Remain campaign, in my opinion.2
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Bailey said:iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
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golfaddick said:Bailey said:iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
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golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
Nothing whatsoever to do with everybody accepting it or not.1 -
Except that they didn't get a united Ireland and they had to recognise the protestants right to self determination within the island of Ireland. Brexit has done more to weaken the Unionist case and within ten years the Catholics will be in the majority and almost certainly there will be vote for reunification.4
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Back to the traffic chaos in Kent, this weekend is likely to see the problems get even worse, as holiday traffic will add to the queues.
Tonight the M20 is a no go zone as it is closed to non freight traffic from J8 to J11. The M2 is also very bad as HGVs trying to dodge the M20 are having to be turned back to join the M20 queues.0 -
SporadicAddick said:iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.0 -
SporadicAddick said:iainment said:Every time I see this thread this pops into mind;
Kent overwhelmingly votes to leave the EU
24 June 2016IMAGE SOURCE, PA
Image caption,South East MEP and UKIP leader Nigel Farage has been celebrating victory for the leave camp
People in Kent have voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.
Over 970,000 people in the county cast a vote in the historic referendum, with 59% voting to leave and 41% to remain.
Tunbridge Wells was the county's only district that voted to stay in the EU, with 54.9% voting to remain and 45.1% to leave. Turnout there was 79%.
Local Conservative MP Greg Clark tweeted: "Now, as we negotiate with our European neighbours, we must show calm judgement and mutual respect."
Ashford, Canterbury, Dartford, Dover, Tonbridge and Malling, Gravesham, Maidstone, Medway, Sevenoaks, Shepway, Swale and Thanet all voted to leave, with Gravesham delivering the biggest vote at 65.4%.
The closest race was in Canterbury with 51% voting to leave and 49% to remain.
Operation Stack was first instituted in 1988.
I don’t have access to the stats but I’d like to see the frequency of it’s use pre and post the referendum.1 -
golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
I thought BoJo and his crowd of chancers were elected on the back of getting Brexit “done” in 2019…6 -
addick1956 said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
What happened to the £350,000,000 a week available to the NHS once we left the EU ?7 -
EveshamAddick said:addick1956 said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
What happened to the £350,000,000 a week available to the NHS once we left the EU ?5 -
iainment said:SporadicAddick said:iainment said:golfaddick said:So a company decides to sack all 800 workers & suddenly the chaos is down to Brexit.
Perhaps if everyone had just accepted the decision of the referendum then Brexit would have happened sooner & we would be through it by now.
And dont forget the now Labour leader brought into the Labour manifesto the policy of a 2nd referendum if Labour had got into power, which directly led to the landslide Tory victory in 2019.
If anyone is to blame then its him. And Tony Blair for signing the GFA which states that there cant be a border between NI & Eire.
Go figure.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/18/po-ferries-sackings-brexit-uk-eu-employment-law
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Anybody travelling in Kent this weekend will face longer journeys, there is currently a 23 mile tailback of lorries on the M20 and other traffic is having to use alternative roads. The M2 is also affected as the HGVs have to be turned back at Brenley Corner, so that the join the M20 Brock queue.
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I read previously that there were bottles of urine and bags of poo on the road verges of Kent because of desperate drivers unable to hold out in the lengthy queues.
It is not because of the referendum result because the referendum result hasn’t been implemented.
Perhaps the drivers are operating a ‘dirty protest’ due to the democratic deficit.
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The drivers have no facilities at all, no way to wash,no toilets. When Op Stack was implemented they use to wheel out porta - loos. This was not planned for in Op Brock.
So continue to expect the unexpected including the odd bottle of "DRIVER TIZER" and plastic biological land mines.0