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Chuks Aneke - speculation re 2023/24 season (p60)
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Maybe he’ll just get better……. Just like that!!!!Dave Rudd said:
This is the bit that intrigues me. We have been told nothing about whatever it is that makes him unable to play more than a handful of games in succession.kinveachyaddick said:what is the condition that prevents him playing full matches? Is it a muscle condition? Or something else?
Aneke is not a natural athlete. He lumbers around a bit ... reminiscent of Tommy Cooper. This will have its effect on him somewhere. Back problems, muscle problems whatever.
3+ year deal. He is part of our Championship promotion squad.
Now ... where's that Zynex knee brace?1 -
Someone on this site said they'd heard what it was, and when they revealed it, it made sense why it wasn't public knowledge and probably shouldn't be.kinveachyaddick said:what is the condition that prevents him playing full matches? Is it a muscle condition? Or something else?
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I went to the Doctor. And I said "Doctor ... my back hurts when I run."paulfox said:
Maybe he’ll just get better……. Just like that!!!!Dave Rudd said:
This is the bit that intrigues me. We have been told nothing about whatever it is that makes him unable to play more than a handful of games in succession.kinveachyaddick said:what is the condition that prevents him playing full matches? Is it a muscle condition? Or something else?
Aneke is not a natural athlete. He lumbers around a bit ... reminiscent of Tommy Cooper. This will have its effect on him somewhere. Back problems, muscle problems whatever.
3+ year deal. He is part of our Championship promotion squad.
Now ... where's that Zynex knee brace?
And he said "You've got curvature of the spine."
And I said "I had a hunch that you'd say that."
Spoon, jar ... jar, spoon.3 -
I would love to know who decided that it was a good idea to give him / or agree to a three & a half year contract given his inability to play 90 minutes on a regular basis or even when he has played in the championship has a poor scoring record. Are we planning for another three years in division three with Chuks? Is K K K Katy meire still negotiating contracts for us ?Dave Rudd said:
This is the bit that intrigues me. We have been told nothing about whatever it is that makes him unable to play more than a handful of games in succession.kinveachyaddick said:what is the condition that prevents him playing full matches? Is it a muscle condition? Or something else?
Aneke is not a natural athlete. He lumbers around a bit ... reminiscent of Tommy Cooper. This will have its effect on him somewhere. Back problems, muscle problems whatever.
3+ year deal. He is part of our Championship promotion squad.
Now ... where's that Zynex knee brace?0 -
Oh, right. Better not speculate then.Chunes said:
Someone on this site said they'd heard what it was, and when they revealed it, it made sense why it wasn't public knowledge and probably shouldn't be.kinveachyaddick said:what is the condition that prevents him playing full matches? Is it a muscle condition? Or something else?0 -
I'm confident I read that his most recent injury was with his calf.0
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Maybe his wages are cheap and as a sub who had an exceptional scoring record at this level 3.5 years was seen as a good bet. If he scores 10-15 off the bench next season which gets us up then it is money very well spent.2
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Lah, lah, lah.Athletico Charlton said:Maybe his wages are cheap and as a sub who had an exceptional scoring record at this level 3.5 years was seen as a good bet. If he scores 10-15 off the bench next season which gets us up then it is money very well spent.
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The moaning and shit jokes about his injury record are already boring. The worst thing is we have 3 more years of it.0
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Don’t really understand this? He scored 15 last season mainly coming off the bench, so it’s not beyond the wildest dreams he does it again.Dave Rudd said:
Lah, lah, lah.Athletico Charlton said:Maybe his wages are cheap and as a sub who had an exceptional scoring record at this level 3.5 years was seen as a good bet. If he scores 10-15 off the bench next season which gets us up then it is money very well spent.1 - Sponsored links:
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Probably agreed a lower wage spread over 3.5 years rather than a bigger wage across a shorter contract too.2
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It was his calf. Hopefully he’s involved again soon because it’s clear Leko and Burstow won’t be here next season so be nice to see Aneke back on the pitch soon.Covered End said:I'm confident I read that his most recent injury was with his calf.3 -
He didn't just score 3 goals though. Those goals won us huge points while we were nearing the relegation zone. We went into this season too light up front, then a further twist of selling Burstow and sending Davison on loan while we could have done with the latter's bustle if anything.1
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Aneke is the only person in the squad who can create a goal or a chance out of nothing. His touch and movement in the 18 yards box is miles ahead of Stockley and Washington.Athletico Charlton said:Maybe his wages are cheap and as a sub who had an exceptional scoring record at this level 3.5 years was seen as a good bet. If he scores 10-15 off the bench next season which gets us up then it is money very well spent.Hoping we see him on Friday to show everyone he is actually a top player at this level.6 -
Agreed. I don't like having 5 subs, for the same reason I don't like rugby union's use of subs, where players are trained and conditioned to only play 60 minutes, but Chuks is the perfect person on the bench for such a rule, as was proven last seasonChris_from_Sidcup said:
Also helps that the PL are reintroducing the 5 sub rule next season, which i assume means the EFL will follow.cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely, I made this point before. Last season he wasn’t “always injured” at all, not like Inniss. Personally I’d always choose Aneke over Inniss, if Stockley stays fit and we can get Aneke available (even if only for 30 mins) for 40 league games then he can have a huge impact.Chunes said:Yeah, he can't play 90 minutes. That's a very accurate criticism. But it's not accurate to say he's always injured.
Much less of an issue having a guy who can only play 30-45 minutes when you can make 4 other subs every week.0 -
I'd love it to happen, obviously.arny23394 said:
Don’t really understand this? He scored 15 last season mainly coming off the bench, so it’s not beyond the wildest dreams he does it again.Dave Rudd said:
Lah, lah, lah.Athletico Charlton said:Maybe his wages are cheap and as a sub who had an exceptional scoring record at this level 3.5 years was seen as a good bet. If he scores 10-15 off the bench next season which gets us up then it is money very well spent.
But it's a flawed argument based on wishful thinking. Just because there is a precedent doesn't mean that it will happen again. Do you fancy Leicester for next season's Premier League title?
Aneke would do well to make it to the bench first before we talk about any potential impact and goals.0 -
Aneke has 2 goals for us. One which got us a point at Cheltenham, the other in a game we lost at Bolton. He has more yellow cards than goals.mendonca said:He didn't just score 3 goals though. Those goals won us huge points while we were nearing the relegation zone. We went into this season too light up front, then a further twist of selling Burstow and sending Davison on loan while we could have done with the latter's bustle if anything.
We'd be well and truly sunk without that huge 1 point he's earned us.0 -
Apologies, I didn't do my research while walking and typing. The header v Bolton was quite something. I feel we have hope when he's on the pitch.
He might have caught covid and suffered badly, for all we know and receive information wise. We need to use him as our OGS and accept his contribution in goals/assists rather than minutes played.
He really does need to work on his discipline, however. Similar to Innis last week. You cannot carry an injury prone player who also opts for the tightrope with suspension.
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Come off it, 15 goals last season was patently a lot more than “sod all”. That’s the issue. We never started the season with a replacement for those 15 goals.addick1956 said:
Of course it isn't. We get sod all out of Aneke and never really have. 30 good days at the office is never going to happen unless there is a laying on of hands. Where are the 15 days in the last half of this season ?cafcfan1990 said:
Unsurprisingly a stupid comparison from you. My business needs me to do my job for around 200 days a year. Aneke can help Charlton be successful with 30 ‘good days at the office’.addick1956 said:
I wonder if your boss would put up with a similar input from you saying g we have him for 40 weeks a year for 2 days a week !cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely, I made this point before. Last season he wasn’t “always injured” at all, not like Inniss. Personally I’d always choose Aneke over Inniss, if Stockley stays fit and we can get Aneke available (even if only for 30 mins) for 40 league games then he can have a huge impact.Chunes said:Yeah, he can't play 90 minutes. That's a very accurate criticism. But it's not accurate to say he's always injured.
Unsurprisingly an idiotic summing up from you.7 - Sponsored links:
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Last season aneke wasn't injured and was our top scorer. Therefore, we have got something out of him and makes your sod all comment look rather stupid.addick1956 said:
Of course it isn't. We get sod all out of Aneke and never really have. 30 good days at the office is never going to happen unless there is a laying on of hands. Where are the 15 days in the last half of this season ?cafcfan1990 said:
Unsurprisingly a stupid comparison from you. My business needs me to do my job for around 200 days a year. Aneke can help Charlton be successful with 30 ‘good days at the office’.addick1956 said:
I wonder if your boss would put up with a similar input from you saying g we have him for 40 weeks a year for 2 days a week !cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely, I made this point before. Last season he wasn’t “always injured” at all, not like Inniss. Personally I’d always choose Aneke over Inniss, if Stockley stays fit and we can get Aneke available (even if only for 30 mins) for 40 league games then he can have a huge impact.Chunes said:Yeah, he can't play 90 minutes. That's a very accurate criticism. But it's not accurate to say he's always injured.
Unsurprisingly an idiotic summing up from you.2 -
The same Bowyer that did his best to turn Aneke's head in the first place.addick1956 said:No it doesn't....he can't start a game often as done bugger all this year, 4 goals and onlyb2 for us in half a season.
Try and live in the here and now instead of 'all our yesterdays.'
Bowyer could not wait till get shot of him...that says much.
He got shot of him to land Taylor.2 -
How many games did he play last season?addick1956 said:
Of course it isn't. We get sod all out of Aneke and never really have. 30 good days at the office is never going to happen unless there is a laying on of hands. Where are the 15 days in the last half of this season ?cafcfan1990 said:
Unsurprisingly a stupid comparison from you. My business needs me to do my job for around 200 days a year. Aneke can help Charlton be successful with 30 ‘good days at the office’.addick1956 said:
I wonder if your boss would put up with a similar input from you saying g we have him for 40 weeks a year for 2 days a week !cafcfan1990 said:
Absolutely, I made this point before. Last season he wasn’t “always injured” at all, not like Inniss. Personally I’d always choose Aneke over Inniss, if Stockley stays fit and we can get Aneke available (even if only for 30 mins) for 40 league games then he can have a huge impact.Chunes said:Yeah, he can't play 90 minutes. That's a very accurate criticism. But it's not accurate to say he's always injured.
Unsurprisingly an idiotic summing up from you.0 -
No the fact is Bowyer joined Birmingham then signed Aneke on a high salary. Not just what I say.addick1956 said:
So you say....Dazzler21 said:
The same Bowyer that did his best to turn Aneke's head in the first place.addick1956 said:No it doesn't....he can't start a game often as done bugger all this year, 4 goals and onlyb2 for us in half a season.
Try and live in the here and now instead of 'all our yesterdays.'
Bowyer could not wait till get shot of him...that says much.
He got shot of him to land Taylor.
Offer anyone Aneke or Taylor on similar wages and see who they choose.1 -
All football clubs should do better than letting players go for free and resigning for fees months later.
Try and live in the here and now instead of 'all our yesterdays.'
Then don't pretend we're still the club we were 20 years ago.
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So much crap spouted about Aneke it’s tiresome.
Aneke has featured in 68 games so far in the last 2 seasons, that could be 72 by the end of the season if he features in each of the last 4. That would average 36 games a season and guess what, that’s the same number as Dobson and Gilbey this season and is anyone saying about their lack of availability? Who cares if he doesn’t start games often at all? The moment he steps on the pitch he impacts it and more often than not will create a chance for himself or others, we don’t have anywhere near enough players with that ability. Aneke scored 15 league goals last season, 9 of them from the bench. His goal per minute ratio was around one every 100 minutes. Incredible record whatever way you want to dress it up.
He started 4 games in a row on his return to us because we had no other option, we gained 10 points from those 4. He also had a week to recover between each game other than when we went from Monday to Saturday with Portsmouth to Wimbledon. The following game was a midweek and so he was on the bench. We simply had to play him that much from the start, but it worked didn’t it? Without him and his presence, we would not have gained those points. People focus so much on the outputs of starts or whatever but not on the outcomes and influence on the pitch and that’s what really matters. But the outputs he has are still respectable anyway because even if he has missed a chunk in the last 2 months, he’s actually very rarely ‘unavailable’.
He’s a top player at this level. I said it before the start of last season, got laughed at, and yet was proved right. I said we didn’t replace him this season, Adkins wanted to go with Davison and look what happened. Not good enough, won’t be here next season. Aneke’s now back and next season when we have 4 good strikers, he won’t be required to be pushed through starting all the time but he will play when he’s ready and needed and he’ll score and impact games in the way we know he will.
Genuinely so tired of reading the same nonsense about him. You don’t have to agree on the length of contract, fine, but you don’t know the details behind it, his salary, the terms, his living situation, you only know he’s a recent new father but you don’t know him as a person, you don’t know him as a teammate, you don’t know him medically, emotionally, physically, nothing. The only thing you can do is judge him on his ability when he steps onto the pitch and that has been proven to be influential at this level and that is, simply, all we really should care about because that’s all you’re ever going to know and get.Look forward to seeing him back out doing the business so these threads can be about how good he is because that’s all that really matters.43 -
A good post Sage, not everyone was laughing at you when he said how much of an impact he could have, some of us agreed. No doubt he is a bit unreliable but doesn't mean he can't be an asset.
Although your maths is way out so the comparison with Gilbey and Dobson can't be drawn.3 -
Wanted to, or wasn't given any other option?Sage said:So much crap spouted about Aneke it’s tiresome.
Aneke has featured in 68 games so far in the last 2 seasons, that could be 72 by the end of the season if he features in each of the last 4. That would average 36 games a season and guess what, that’s the same number as Dobson and Gilbey this season and is anyone saying about their lack of availability? Who cares if he doesn’t start games often at all? The moment he steps on the pitch he impacts it and more often than not will create a chance for himself or others, we don’t have anywhere near enough players with that ability. Aneke scored 15 league goals last season, 9 of them from the bench. His goal per minute ratio was around one every 100 minutes. Incredible record whatever way you want to dress it up.
He started 4 games in a row on his return to us because we had no other option, we gained 10 points from those 4. He also had a week to recover between each game other than when we went from Monday to Saturday with Portsmouth to Wimbledon. The following game was a midweek and so he was on the bench. We simply had to play him that much from the start, but it worked didn’t it? Without him and his presence, we would not have gained those points. People focus so much on the outputs of starts or whatever but not on the outcomes and influence on the pitch and that’s what really matters. But the outputs he has are still respectable anyway because even if he has missed a chunk in the last 2 months, he’s actually very rarely ‘unavailable’.
He’s a top player at this level. I said it before the start of last season, got laughed at, and yet was proved right. I said we didn’t replace him this season, Adkins wanted to go with Davison and look what happened. Not good enough, won’t be here next season. Aneke’s now back and next season when we have 4 good strikers, he won’t be required to be pushed through starting all the time but he will play when he’s ready and needed and he’ll score and impact games in the way we know he will.
Genuinely so tired of reading the same nonsense about him. You don’t have to agree on the length of contract, fine, but you don’t know the details behind it, his salary, the terms, his living situation, you only know he’s a recent new father but you don’t know him as a person, you don’t know him as a teammate, you don’t know him medically, emotionally, physically, nothing. The only thing you can do is judge him on his ability when he steps onto the pitch and that has been proven to be influential at this level and that is, simply, all we really should care about because that’s all you’re ever going to know and get.Look forward to seeing him back out doing the business so these threads can be about how good he is because that’s all that really matters.3 -
In all competitions last season he played in 41 games, this season so far has been 27.cafcfan1990 said:A good post Sage, not everyone was laughing at you when he said how much of an impact he could have, some of us agreed. No doubt he is a bit unreliable but doesn't mean he can't be an asset.
Although your maths is way out so the comparison with Gilbey and Dobson can't be drawn.
This season Dobson has played 39 in all competitions and Gilbey 36.
Aneke has also missed 2 months of the season so in comparison it’s actually very similar and by playing the last 4 games in some capacity, he’ll average the same amount of involvement as they have this season.
The point was, some saying he’s always injured or whatever it might be is false. He is usually available most of the time, he just doesn’t start games very often.0 -
Being available to be picked and not available for picking have to come in to the numbers
because Dobson was available and not picked (I don’t know if he’s missed any through suspension or injury )
and Aneke has missed how many through suspension or injury , that’s the issue here3
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