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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Three signings next week and we can all agree we are on track for a cracking season.
It is tomorrow that training starts.
We leave for Spain on Saturday.
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This Portsmouth full back sounds solid and dependable, the sort of signing which usually works out well for us2
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Depends who the 3 are doesn't it?Redrobo said:Three signings next week and we can all agree we are on track for a cracking season.
It is tomorrow that training starts.
We leave for Spain on Saturday.
If its Gunter, Watson and Souare I think we would all agree we won't be on for a cracking season.
Even if it's 3 cracking signings it still depends if we back it up or not. We started last seasons business well enough.
I wish I could be as blindy optimistic as you.2 -
Does it matter if the signings are good players or is it as long as we sign any old three?Redrobo said:Three signings next week and we can all agree we are on track for a cracking season.
It is tomorrow that training starts.
We leave for Spain on Saturday.2 -
Neither.. we will never be happyCovered End said:
Does it matter if the signings are good players or is it as long as we sign any old three?Redrobo said:Three signings next week and we can all agree we are on track for a cracking season.
It is tomorrow that training starts.
We leave for Spain on Saturday.5 -
How many first team players does the club have at the moment.1
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Let’s all go to beddy byes.I’ve got a feeling we’re gonna wake up to 7 new signings in the morning.4
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16msomerton said:How many first team players does the club have at the moment.
MacGillivray
Maynard-Brewer
Lavelle
Inniss
Clare
Blackett-Taylor
Dobson
Forster-Caskey
Fraser
Gilbey
Morgan
Jaiyesimi
Kirk
Aneke
Stockley
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George? Is this a rumour?supaclive said:
He definitely wants best for the club.CH4RLTON said:
True I suppose but I’m a glass of full kind of guy and despite last season being such a debacle and Thomas having a lot of previous at leaving things too late , I remain hopeful by the notion of he wants the best for the clubIAgree said:
Commenting on a potentially difficult situation isn’t panicking - it’s commenting on a potentially difficult situation. Are we all supposed to engage in some sort of kings new clothes doublethink?CH4RLTON said:I mean I get why people are starting to panick given what happened last season, but Thomas and Gallen have both come out and said there main aim is to not end up in that position again, do you really think they would say that if there was any chance of it happening? I’d be amazed if we don’t sign at least 5 players before the start of the season them probably another 6/7 before the end of the window including loans1 - Sponsored links:
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So the team is probably something like:Callumcafc said:
16msomerton said:How many first team players does the club have at the moment.
MacGillivray
Maynard-Brewer
Lavelle
Inniss
Clare
Blackett-Taylor
Dobson
Forster-Caskey
Fraser
Gilbey
Morgan
Jaiyesimi
Kirk
Aneke
Stockley
Davison
Macgillivray
Clare Lavelle Inniss Forster-Caskey
Dobson Fraser MorganBlackett-Taylor Stockley Kirk
Maynard-Brewer, Gilbey, Aneke, Davison and some kids on the bench as it stands0 -
Let’s get some things in order. Training resumes tomorrow where they’ll come in for testing first, as always, before the real work starts from the weekend when the squad fly out to Spain.
Pre-season was due to be from 16th but the heat wave meant it was best to postpone, you can’t get accurate baselines in heat like that, it wouldn’t have done anyone any good or given the sports science team much accurate data to actually go by. We don’t play in that heat throughout the season so you don’t use the baselines from testing in conditions that aren’t replicated throughout.
Spain trip I believe has actually been pushed back a week. Initially I had understood it was from 18th. It’s now 25th, but maybe my understanding is wrong. And yes, a few of the academy boys will join them on the trip. As every club has and does up and down the country. If you don’t look at them through training camps and pre season, when are you ever going to and going to know if they’re any good or capable of making the step up?
The way we recruit is also different to how we did it before and how other clubs do it. The old fashioned way is you get on the phone to agents or they call us and say this player or that player is available. That’s how rumours start.
Now, through the data analysis, we are able to follow and make decisions based on more than conversations, but on data (the way football is going even more now) on hundreds, if not thousands of players at the same time.
Gallen and Garner and whoever else will still use their contacts, their knowledge, their network to bring in and identify players. They will still use the scouts who are based in the UK to gain further information. However, this system also means they can analyse players they wouldn’t have had the chance to before now.
Its because of this that rumours are not going to be getting to the press or anyone as much and Sandgaard, especially for transfers, likes to keep it very much in house and without leaks as possible.
People will say we haven’t learned from our mistakes etc. but we are the returning to pre season tomorrow. With everyone being at the same place, everyone back from their holidays, players will be making moves and those without a club will be looking to get one and those already at clubs, but will be moving on, will start to move. With everyone being in person, it makes it easier, it speeds up processes and decisions.
If we haven’t signed anyone by the time they go to Spain, fine, people can have a bit of moan because we’d be at the start of July without any movement and the season would start just 4 weeks later. However, I can’t see that happening and think we will see movement this week.
So let’s take a step back, relax, know you cannot control any of it so don’t stress or increase your BP unnecessarily, and wait for what this week is going to bring.63 -
I'm relaxed
I am just unconvinced we've learnt from previous mistakes
You know more than me
I still want to see some actual results
That is all
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Could be a long wait.EugenesAxe said:
The argument is wether the squad is full of injury prone journeymen and players just past their best, yes they fill up the squad but don’t win games, there’s obviously a difference.MartinCAFC said:
I will accept we've gone into recent seasons still needing a bit more quality but the argument here seems to be we need players now because we don't have a squad.EugenesAxe said:
I’m assuming your differentiating between ’proper’ to mean enough players and ‘good’?MartinCAFC said:
And yet we never go into the first game of the season unable to field a proper team why should next season be any different?IAgree said:
It’s not bedwetting & moaning it’s a realistic concern about if we sign good enough players early enough. The recruitment last summer was a debacle, the recruitment of the manager was chaotic and took far far to long and now there is no substantive progress in terms recruitment of players.cfgs said:
My guess is pain, angst, bedwetting and people moaning when we do start signing people. Somebody is always unhappy. I don't fixate on football the way I used to so I will wait and judge our business after they have had time to settle in.Richard J said:I don't get the over reaction from some about Tucker.I see that Mkd have sold Harry Darling so he will likely be a replacement for him. I guess that is moneyball in action.
With Inniss, Lavelle and Deji a RCB is not a priority especially if we are going to play a flat back four.
Let's see what this week brings.High press, low press, chest press it’s all academic without a squad!
I think a lot of people are again waiting to see if TS delivers on another of his promises: that lessons were learnt last season and this one will be different. I feel he’s trying to be canny by always promising things in the future thereby sidestepping ’now’, whereas in football it’s now that matters and the future can take care of itself.0 -
We all want to see results, we all want the recruitment to go well and players to come in the sooner the better. I think we just need to be realistic and all show the understanding that there are many factors to a single deal, let alone multiple deals we will be working on.supaclive said:I'm relaxed
I am just unconvinced we've learnt from previous mistakes
You know more than me
I still want to see some actual results
That is allWe also all need to recognise that just because there may not be loads of rumours does not mean they’re not working round the clock to get players in. No doubt Gallen would be making over 100 phone calls a day, even now.
Everyone is back from tomorrow and Sandgaard remains in the country. I am confident there will be movement this week.16 -
I don't doubt there will be some movement.Sage said:
We all want to see results, we all want the recruitment to go well and players to come in the sooner the better. I think we just need to be realistic and all show the understanding that there are many factors to a single deal, let alone multiple deals we will be working on.supaclive said:I'm relaxed
I am just unconvinced we've learnt from previous mistakes
You know more than me
I still want to see some actual results
That is allWe also all need to recognise that just because there may not be loads of rumours does not mean they’re not working round the clock to get players in. No doubt Gallen would be making over 100 phone calls a day, even now.
Everyone is back from tomorrow and Sandgaard remains in the country. I am confident there will be movement this week.
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Just in from the pub. It seems I've missed a lively exchange of views.
Just for context, by this time last year we'd signed Jayden Stockley. That's it!
Far too early to make any conclusions on the success or otherwise of this transfer window yet for me, but I fully understand the anxiety of those waiting to see evidence of improvement who feel frustrated, the players being back in for pre season tomorrow and off to Spain Saturday.
As I'm expecting 2 to 3 signings this week to put us ahead of where we were at the same stage last year, my bigger concern is Garner's two coaches, who were reportedly coming with him once compensation was agreed. I don't know if he's requested them or not, but if he has, TS should go all out to get them imo.
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I think once swindon announce there new manager the assistant and coach will be free to come join up with BG if that is what he and us want im sure0
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The summer of 2019 is an example of a relatively decent early part of the transfer window, bringing in Chuks, Bonne, Lockyer and Purrington in either just before we went away or arriving to join us there, plus having Williams training with us as well.
Or back in 2017, Fosu, Clarke and Marshall all arrived early.0 -
We already are & just treading water. I don't see us bringing in the quality needed to get us out of this division while the sandgaards are pulling the strings. It's all very well erecting new buildings on Sparrows Lane etc maybe we should concentrate first of all on building a squad capable of getting us out of this division. The rest will follow.Croydon said:
Is our aim to be a mid table league one club?Cafc43v3r said:
Before we signed them Hollands, Stephens, Taylor (M) and Wiggins would have been greatful for 4 solid seasons in league 1. They had all had at least one year in league 2 and even lower.cabbles said:
Just someone who hasn’t had 4 solid seasons at League One and spent the last season at Fleetwood who finished lower than us. To be fair, I don’t know what exciting looks like anymore, so it could be me. But cumulatively, with just under 6 weeks to go until the start of the season, the 14 that make up the current squad, reading of Bostock, Marquis, this chap and the other scraps I’ve picked up on here, plus the transfer policy of the last 2 seasons, it’s hard to see it being turned around at the moment.Scoham said:
What type of full back would get the pulse racing? A “big” name like Gunter? An inexperienced youngster dropping down from a Prem club wouldn’t either. No idea if Johnson is good enough for where we want to be but there can’t be many full backs out there that would be exciting signings. The wing back at Forest Green went to the Championship, most stand out L1/L2 youngsters will given the restrictions on foreign players.cabbles said:
Nope, and none of us have any influence on anything transfers, but what’s wrong with saying you don’t agree the ‘can’t be worse than’ comment. As I said, not a dig in anyway and more a general comment about the quality I think we need. Cafcfan1990 even said ‘not one that jumps out as a great signing’, and there were other comments about solid league one and ‘sensible not spectacular’ - the mindset comment is just something I’ve interpreted in general on here over the few years. I think there has been a trend toward people thinking so and so will come good, or if so and so had better players around him, we/they would be right up there.Cafc43v3r said:
Our mind set, what ever it, has no actual influence on anything does it?cabbles said:
We’ve got to get out of this mindset of can’t be worse than. That’s not a dig mate. The bar was mediocre with Matthews and Gunter. Remember when the bar was high with Wiggins, Solly back in the day, and then Dijksteelcafcfan1990 said:Johnson was third in Pompeys POTY 2020/2021, although the winner is criticised regularly on here. Johnson was surprisingly frozen out by Cowley and did ok at Fleetwood. Not one that jumps out as a great signing but can’t imagine he’s worse than Matthews or Gunter.
this guy may be good enough; but a season on loan at Fleetwood and 4 solid seasons in League One as Sage said. It’s hard to get excited.
I just can’t see it. At the moment, I see a very mediocre team, and so far this summer (correct or incorrect) the players we’ve been linked with on here make me think next season could be just as poor. A right back who got farmed out on loan to Fleetwood last season and has had 4 solid seasons just doesn’t get the pulse racing
I might be wanting something that doesn’t exist and being too negative, but just seems like a slog at the moment. I think Garner’s a decent appointment, but I think the gulf between what we have and the quality we need is big. Bigger than the names mentioned
Each player needs to judged on how good they actually are now. Other wise we end up in the pardox of not being actually able to sign anyone.
Don't want league 1 players
Don't want players on the way down
Don't want other clubs rejects
Who exactly should a mid table league 1 club be signing?0 - Sponsored links:
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Only just caught up with this thread.Callumcafc said:https://www.hampshirelive.news/sport/football/cowley-callum-johnson-portsmouth-transfer-5845169Danny Cowley explains why Callum Johnson was allowed to leave Portsmouth in loan transfer
Portsmouth defender Callum Johnson surprisingly left Fratton Park on loan on Friday afternoon to join League One rivals Fleetwood Town on a season-long move and Danny Cowley has explained why
Portsmouth boss Danny Cowley admitted that he did not want to lose defender Callum Johnson on loan, whilst adding he is now looking for a right-sided defender before the transfer window shuts.
The defender left Fratton Park on Friday afternoon to join League One rivals Fleetwood Town on a season-long loan deal, despite being a mainstay and impressing during his 2020/21 debut campaign with the club.
Johnson's switch has meant that the Blues only have one senior right-back at present, with the Blues wanting to develop Haji Mnoga in a central position.
Cowley admitted that because of Johnson's ability, it was easier to move him out in order to create funds ahead of making further signings.
"Callum wasn't one we particularly wanted to lose, but with all due respect some players have more of a market than others," explained Cowley.
"We allowed Callum to go out creates some funds to bring one in, maybe one and a half.
"We are trying to improve our squad and to try and find a balance, and sometimes you have to make those decisions that you don't always want to make."
The defender was not par of the Fleetwood squad for their trip to Plymouth Argyle, but his exit does create a gap in the Blues' squad.
And whilst Cowley has expressed his desire to sign an attacking player, he also admitted that Pompey need to sign another right-back in order to challenge at the top end of the table.
"We now also need to add a right-back and that could play at right-sided centre half in an ideal world, but that might be one that financially is a little bit cheaper for us.," added Cowley.
But that was one of the most bizarre & bullshit excuses ever. Talk about word salad.1 -
Really!?! You should’ve said something.supaclive said:I'm relaxed
I am just unconvinced we've learnt from previous mistakes
You know more than me
I still want to see some actual results
That is all6 -
Talent is always available, you just usually have to pay for it. If you simply rely on freebies & loans you'll probably not end up that successful.Chunes said:Seems to be a real lack of talent available compared to previous seasons1 -
Give this man a promote. Says what I've been thinking & holding my tongue from saying it on here.supaclive said:
Even though I say I remain unconvinced that we haven't learnt from our mistakes and nothing shows me we have yet.Callumcafc said:
Your posts over the last page or two don’t come across as just having reservations. Closer to actively campaigning against the club and it’s recruitment process.supaclive said:
Nobody (hardly anybody) is losing their shit. This again is what I'm saying. Anybody that has reservations about things becomes a subject of ridicule or mirth.Cafc43v3r said:I love how people are loosing their shit because of a month old rumour that Marquis had passed a medical and was going to sign and that is a signal of our intent.
Is there a single credible source of it?
WHEN things change and the club SHOWS it's learnt from its mistakes, rather than just saying it has, I'll be on board.
What about Callum Johnson has provoked such a strong reaction? You say it’s only having reservations but your posts do not read that way. You or I have absolutely no idea how good he may or may not be unless he pulls on the shirt. Why not reserve judgement until then?
What are you expecting and what would realistically satisfy your expectations?
And that when we do, I'll be on board?
We are 14 players less than last season
We had a list of active targets when Garner joined
We started pre season last week
We go to Spain this week
I repeat. Until the club actually SHOWS it has learnt from previous mistakes, I remain unconvinced.
Callum Johnson may well be a decent addition. He'd be better than what currently we have as a natural right back - nothing.
We are told we have a top 3 wage bill. I haven't seen that replicated on the pitch.
I hope this year is different.
Right now I don't believe it will be.
What is so hard to understand? You don't need to agree with me, but I fail to see why anybody blindly thinks it is going to change.
You can believe/hope it does.
Right now, NOTHING has.
That is all.3 -
We're lucky that TS does pay transfer fees for players then, when we've only relied on frees in the past. My point was that the freebie market used to be pretty good every year, but there aren't many standouts available this season.golfaddick said:
Talent is always available, you just usually have to pay for it. If you simply rely on freebies & loans you'll probably not end up that successful.Chunes said:Seems to be a real lack of talent available compared to previous seasons0 -
Imagine the following scenario, one all long suffering addicks can relate to.
We lose a game 1-0, playing sh*t having trained badly the week before, got our tactics all wrong, picked the wrong team & made all the wrong substitutions.
On Monday morning, the game is reviewed to analyse what went wrong.
In the next match, following an excellent weeks training and having assessed the opposition, a much changed team playing in revised formation using different tactics, batters our opponents for ninety minutes.
However, their keeper plays a blinder and sends a speculative punt upfield trying to waste time at the end, which takes a freakish deflection off a divot (Tim Flowers like) and ends up in our net. We lose, 1-0.
I would argue that we did learn from the first game, and improved our chances of winning in the second, but we couldn't influence how their keeper performed on the day and the end result was the same.
That's how I look at this summer's transfer window compared to last so far. Much has changed in the way we've gone about it I believe, but we've still got no one in to show for it, so no proof as yet. However, I predict that will change today and we'll have new signings to appraise.
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Who was the most recent player we signed for a fee when we last got promoted and was still there?golfaddick said:
Talent is always available, you just usually have to pay for it. If you simply rely on freebies & loans you'll probably not end up that successful.Chunes said:Seems to be a real lack of talent available compared to previous seasons0 -
Not sure we will get that many in, I reckon 3 loans, 4 perms.. They will promote a few young lads.. Pretty good batch coming through, I think they will give them a chance!swordfish said:1 -
May have been sensible to hire a training camp that also has indoor facilities. Spain, in the summer, with increasing global temperatures.0
