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Brian Jokat confirmed to be new COO (p4), Sacked (p5) 🙄
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killerandflash said:paulfox said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.
I'm not sure how anyone can be judged in that short a length of time, and if he was truly sacked for being disastrous, it doesn't reflect well on the judgement of the person who hired him2 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Hunan traits mean most of us don’t like change even if it’s ultimately for the best.But on balance I’d say it’s better to make a decision on hiring and firing than deferring however uncomfortable that may initially be.But it’s not clear to me if the non football appointments have been bad or just reached a natural conclusion as I said in my first post.What’s clear is that TS is not a typical owner. He wants to be involved and frankly it’s his money so his choice. He is learning as he goes is my best guess.I was most taken by the comments made by @pragueaddick highlighting the influence his partner showed at the international fans meeting and apparently genuinely finding common ground on issues to achieve a better outcome. That kind of sounding board and influence may offer some comfort that decisions are not knee jerk and individual.I’m normally a pessimist by nature but on balance TS remains in credit for me for now.
I pin this mostly on being convinced appointing Curbishley over Gritt was the wrong choice so going down a different route again i.e. by changing things up may just be the way forward!0 -
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paulfox said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.
I personally find the balance on here towards Sandgaard quite reasonable. The Martin stuff probs went on a bit, but even the best owners make some poor decisions. When that is criticised there’s no need to go nuts about it.I think getting rid of “people not cutting the mustard” is obviously the right decision. But surely you can see why there would be some negativity to the fact this isn’t just any employee, it’s one that Sandgaard himself hired. 2 months ago.20 -
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Just out of interest does Keohone work for Charlton?21
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Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?5
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cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?0
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valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Hunan traits mean most of us don’t like change even if it’s ultimately for the best.But on balance I’d say it’s better to make a decision on hiring and firing than deferring however uncomfortable that may initially be.But it’s not clear to me if the non football appointments have been bad or just reached a natural conclusion as I said in my first post.What’s clear is that TS is not a typical owner. He wants to be involved and frankly it’s his money so his choice. He is learning as he goes is my best guess.I was most taken by the comments made by @pragueaddick highlighting the influence his partner showed at the international fans meeting and apparently genuinely finding common ground on issues to achieve a better outcome. That kind of sounding board and influence may offer some comfort that decisions are not knee jerk and individual.I’m normally a pessimist by nature but on balance TS remains in credit for me for now.
I pin this mostly on being convinced appointing Curbishley over Gritt was the wrong choice so going down a different route again i.e. by changing things up may just be the way forward!
Mind you, with so many exits recently, they'd probably take the 5th amendment ......0 -
cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?0
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Maybe Jokat failed to meet his (agreed) business targets?
That's how it works in Sangaardworld, you know.
Us fans better up our game too ... or we'll be out.
To re-inforce @Fanny Fanackapan's point ... another incorrect Sandgaard appointment. If he's learning from his mistakes, he's putting the practice in, isn't he?
Ron Dangerfield, though, ... De Souza ... balance redressed, I'd say.2 -
Dazzler21 said:cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?4
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Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.0 -
Dazzler21 said:Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.
Where have you got this information from?3 -
Confirmed by Cawley. Thread title says he was sacked, do we know that’s definitely the case or is it possible he resigned? Not good either way of course.0
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cafcfan1990 said:Dazzler21 said:cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?
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cabbles said:cafcfan1990 said:Dazzler21 said:cabbles said:Still seems like it’s a bit of a shambles on the non playing side.If Tony Keohane isn’t employed by TS, and is there solely to watch things for RD, does he still try to get involved in day to day stuff. How does it work?Of course I’m not defending Keohane but how do you get rid of him? He’s got employment rights so unlike Jokat, you can’t just sack him. I mean I’d restructure and make him redundant personally. Presuming he’s employed by the club obviously.1
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If perhaps he was the source of some leaks ?0
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KiwiValley said:If perhaps he was the source of some leaks ?0
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killerandflash said:paulfox said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.
I'm not sure how anyone can be judged in that short a length of time, and if he was truly sacked for being disastrous, it doesn't reflect well on the judgement of the person who hired him0 -
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Covered End said:Dazzler21 said:Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.
Where have you got this information from?
There is loads of circumstantial evidence that TK works for RD. Facts are a little bit thinner on the ground. The general rumour and innuendo is he is, its never been confirmed or dined that he is.
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Dazzler21 said:Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.0 -
I’m not prepared to write on here what was said out of respect to Admin,
I said publicly before I witnessed a staff member break down in front of me on only our second meeting. I was with my dog in an empty building and the the staff member had taken several phone calls in a few minutes where they became more distressed with each call. Anyone doubting this characters previous please don’t if anyone wants to meet me for a pint down here, I’ll invite a few friends down for a chat all used to work there they’ll tell you what stunts were pulled by this horrible individual.Unfortunately those that still work need their jobs and are afraid of retribution, but we know how the guy works.I had a meeting with the owner and again I’m not prepared to write here what was said, but I’ll say this other staff not attending offered to pay my travel expenses to LondonWith me I was told by OB it was my Therapy work that was at risk, so you can imagine what was at risk if you told tales when you worked there.DisclaimerNot bad @Tom-of-se9 a post without naming anyone or anything…..
I’m good boy I am 😉1 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.Hunan traits mean most of us don’t like change even if it’s ultimately for the best.But on balance I’d say it’s better to make a decision on hiring and firing than deferring however uncomfortable that may initially be.But it’s not clear to me if the non football appointments have been bad or just reached a natural conclusion as I said in my first post.What’s clear is that TS is not a typical owner. He wants to be involved and frankly it’s his money so his choice. He is learning as he goes is my best guess.I was most taken by the comments made by @pragueaddick highlighting the influence his partner showed at the international fans meeting and apparently genuinely finding common ground on issues to achieve a better outcome. That kind of sounding board and influence may offer some comfort that decisions are not knee jerk and individual.I’m normally a pessimist by nature but on balance TS remains in credit for me for now.
I pin this mostly on being convinced appointing Curbishley over Gritt was the wrong choice so going down a different route again i.e. by changing things up may just be the way forward!
Mind you, with so many exits recently, they'd probably take the 5th amendment ......
I have no idea how many employees are unhappy, but I do know they're more likely to be the ones making their views known to the wider world, unless TS is trying to stop information being leaked by the Club, and I have no objection to him doing that BTW if it's in the best interests of the Club.0 -
cafcfan1990 said:DamoNorthStand said:WSS said:DamoNorthStand said:ValleyGary said:New employee doesn’t pass probationary period. Nothing new is it?
if anything it’s better to bin them nice and early (I’ve seen it happen a a lot).
It does call into question the selection and interviewing methods though…0 -
Dazzler21 said:Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.13 -
DamoNorthStand said:cafcfan1990 said:DamoNorthStand said:WSS said:DamoNorthStand said:ValleyGary said:New employee doesn’t pass probationary period. Nothing new is it?
if anything it’s better to bin them nice and early (I’ve seen it happen a a lot).
It does call into question the selection and interviewing methods though…I’d imagine HR advised you not to wait until about the probation purely because it costs you more to get rid of them. We have to give employees one weeks notice in their probation period but one month once they’ve passed it.1 -
AFKABartram said:Dazzler21 said:Uboat said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Fanny Fanackapan said:valleynick66 said:Lots of speculation here without anyone seemingly knowing many facts.Far better to let staff go if they aren’t working out and then re group.I don’t really see it (from the outside) as automatically a reflection of TS.Bowyer chose to go and Adkins had to go. Jackson was a positive choice by TS to get rid. But on the football side this is hardly unique. A clean sweep is really overdue.As to the non football side I assume Roddy was seen as a temporary consultant and not an ongoing role. Mumford may well have chosen to go of his own accord. Jockat we just don’t know but it’s early enough to cut any losses and reappoint someone.
Sounds as though you're trying very hard to make excuses for, what is now, 3 senior management departures in a very short space of time.
And making a rather poor attempt !
But I’m not trying to score points just offer an alternate view.My point was it’s not an automatic issue when no one has yet disclosed any facts about Jockat.
Of course if we learn more facts then I can change my opinion / view but I have zero inside knowledge to base my suggestion on.
Moreover I’d suggest ‘hire and fire’ is a more US trait then we are used to
Yes, it was a shock & IMO, a despicable, cowardly way was used.
But, that's water under the bridge although I shall be more than a tad interested in the fortunes of AFC W next season.
I find it difficult to understand though why 3 senior management appointees made by our owner, have since departed after a relatively short period in which to prove themselves. As to the reasons why, like yourself, I am in the dark.
But what does this say about the recruitment process being used at our club ? Are you confident that TS will learn by his mistakes or continue in the same vein until he finds the "right" person for each role ? And, does it not concern you that, apart from the instability created within the SMT( and presumably the staff members reporting to them) , this increases the amount of cash wasted in the process, which he can seemingly ill afford ?
It has been strongly rumoured that TS is determined to be a new broom....to "get rid" of existing staff in situ when he purchased our club. But this could surely be a case of throwing out the baby with the bathwater .....
And, it's not just existing staff he's now dispensing with but his OWN appointees.
Curiouser & curiouser as Alice said.1 -
It should be down to a COO to hire/ fire him, doh!0
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One things for sure @AFKABartram if anyone else did what is reported about that man they would be following jokat up the road. The first time @Dazzler21 comment was said to me I was of the same opinion as you , so far fetched it’s unbelievable. But the more he gets away with the more believable it becomes and I’m still not convinced.But if I sat in front of your boss along your colleagues and reported you for b******* backed up by your colleagues you’d expect a written warning, if this was followed up with four more colleagues stating you’d did the same to them including one naming you in a leaving interview would you expect to be allowed at your desk tomorrow?
That is why it being queried how he still got a job.2