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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Oranges and apples imo.

    10 times out of 10 you have a centre forward on the bench, 8 rimes out of 10 you bring them on.  If you have got the best "super sub" in the league what does it matter he can't start?  It's like moaning the sub keeper can't play left back.

    On the other hand.  If Washington had stayed what would his role be?  4th or 5th choice wide player who could do a job?  Couldn't be an alt to Stockley, you aren't playing Washington in the middle of a front 3.  Change of shape sub, if you wanted to go two up top for the final 20?  Maybe.

    I would have kept Washington (ingoring the rumour and innuendo) for what it's worth but also in hindsight he didn't have a natural role in Adkins team, nor has he one in Garner's.
    That assumes the formation is fairly rigid and is sustained because it works. I’m not convinced on either point but I understand that’s the plan.
  • What is Garner's style of play/ Garner ball?

    Genuine question...I'm not really aware of modern  tactics etc and want to learn more.

    Is there a particular thread that explains/ discusses it?

    Basically trying to keep possession man city style I believe. Unfortunately at this level easier said than done and can just as easily result in it turning into England style possession where we just pass round the back forever before someone scores an own goal passing it back to the keeper. 
  • Jac_52 said:

    Basically trying to keep possession man city style I believe. Unfortunately at this level easier said than done and can just as easily result in it turning into England style possession where we just pass round the back forever before someone scores an own goal passing it back to the keeper. 

    At least he does have a particular style of play and doesn't just only set the team up depending on who we play against.

    The players will mentally be warming to this. I can promise they will be putting the extra foot in for him and for the club. This is always important. 

    I think we will at least finish in the top ten this season. 


  • Dave2l said:

    At least he does have a particular style of play and doesn't just only set the team up depending on who we play against.

    The players will mentally be warming to this. I can promise they will be putting the extra foot in for him and for the club. This is always important. 

    I think we will at least finish in the top ten this season. 


    Looking at the clubs in the division, is a top ten finish success or the least we should be doing?
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    Cafc43v3r said:
    swordfish said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Dazzler21 said:
    Poor managerial selections? How many of you now saying Jackson was a poor selection were salivating at him getting the gig? Who wanted Bowyer sacked when TS decided to stick with him? Adkins was always going to be a 50/50 but I think most understand why we tried it.

    Either way this is not a discussion for the Jack Payne thread so let's have it here.
    Adkins was appalling.  He evidently didn’t want Jackson in the job ; he only gave it to him because he had to after the run we are on .  Let’s hope Garner works out better . 
    Was Adkins categorically appalling or was he properly backed?

    We looked quite good at the end of the season and the total opposite at the start of the next.  We had 14 senior pros and two of them had Covid.

    He was a sound appointment on paper, on grass as well for his 1st dozen games. 
    I was going to post similar, but it had the feel of defend the indefensible about it. Plymouth away anyone? Best result in years, albeit with an inherited squad. Got a tune out of Gilbey, who was key for him and missing at start of next, as was the departed unreplaced Aneke. Clearly let down on transfers over summer who weren't his picks, (Dobson?) Ultimately lost the dressing room, and if tactics were anything to go by, his marbles.

    Should boost my flagging LoL count 😎
    He didn't have Amos, JFC, Millar, Maatsen, Gilbey, Purrington and Aneke at the start of the following season.  

    They had been replaced with MacGillivray, Dobson, Clare and umm........

    Anyone would have struggled.
    Amazing to think there were people arguing that Aneke’s departure didn’t matter because he couldn’t play 90 minutes. Are we (fans not TS) making the same mistake with Washington a year later?
    I miss Washington.
  • That assumes the formation is fairly rigid and is sustained because it works. I’m not convinced on either point but I understand that’s the plan.
    433/4231/451 is a totally sustainable formation as is 352.  If you have the players to play it.

    Last season we ballsed up the recruitment for 4231 and ended up trying to play 352 with 3 wingers and only 3 strikers.

    The irony is if we had got the recruitment right for one, we probably could have also played the other without trying to ram square pegs in round holes.

    If the manager and the recruitment team are singing off the same hymn sheet that's at least a start.  Washington is probably a price worth paying for it as well.  So to are others of our "better" players.
  • Dave2l said:

    At least he does have a particular style of play and doesn't just only set the team up depending on who we play against.

    The players will mentally be warming to this. I can promise they will be putting the extra foot in for him and for the club. This is always important. 

    I think we will at least finish in the top ten this season. 



    Don't get me wrong I completely agree and think it was the right decision to part ways with Jackson as other than him having a formation he didn't really have much else and I couldn't see that magically changing this season.

    Was just a fair warning that I expect we won't be able to dominate possession quite so easily in a fair few games and I'm certain we'll concede a few howlers.
  • Looking at the clubs in the division, is a top ten finish success or the least we should be doing?

    Agree. Top 6 is absolutely the bare minimum we should ever be aiming for. I would say top 2 but I think Peterborough and Barnsley assuming they have kept their squads largely intact will be pushing the automatics along with Sheffield Wednesday. Hopefully we can be up there with them of course but need to recruit very well before the window shuts imo.
  • Looking at the clubs in the division, is a top ten finish success or the least we should be doing?
    Top ten finish is failure unless it’s top six which is a relative success or top two which is a definite success.
  • The fact there is even a Jackson this or Jackson that discussion is a sign of mistakes made.  At best.

    Bowyer wasn't backed in the January (ingoring the fact we didn't sign a player from another club in August).  A center back would have made more than the one point difference.

    We fucked up, royally, the one Adkins window.  The worst window, with the most long term impact, in modern history.
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  • Jac_52 said:

    As far as I remember Bowyer was the one who didn't want a centre back even though it was obvious we were screaming out for one. We also added Stockley and Millar in January didn't we? Problem was Bowyer not that he wasn't backed.

    Last summer ended up not being the best in hindsight but kirk, Dobson, Clare and CBT were all good players and should do well this year at least and lessons seem to be being learnt. Stockley who we also paid money for was basically playing with trench foot and a bad back most of the season as well don't forget. 

    Tbh I'm more excited to see what this season brings than I have been for quite a few years.
    Yeah I agree, I don't think it was a case of Bowyer not being backed. We were under a salary cap and so limited with what we could do. We replaced Bogle and Smyth with Stockley and Millar which was really promising business. We then replaced Williams/Maddison with DJ. If we had got a CB in I think we'd have made play offs. 
  • Yeah I agree, I don't think it was a case of Bowyer not being backed. We were under a salary cap and so limited with what we could do. We replaced Bogle and Smyth with Stockley and Millar which was really promising business. We then replaced Williams/Maddison with DJ. If we had got a CB in I think we'd have made play offs. 
    Bowyer had a horrendous run of injuries and then clearly lost interest after all of the rubbish he had to put up with , arguably every day he was with the club .  Adkins came in and the players responded to someone a lot more affable in the short term; he also had Inniss and Famewo fit , plus Millar , JFC, Maatsen etc .  Clearly the longer the players spent with Adkins, the more it became clear that he was a very poor coach- enough comments from players have suggested that they didn’t rate him. 

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  • “In many ways a football club is like any other business,” he said. “I have been involved with many turnarounds before. It is about getting the right people on board and the right culture in place.”

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  • “In many ways a football club is like any other business,” he said. “I have been involved with many turnarounds before. It is about getting the right people on board and the right culture in place.”

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    i.e. your family. 
  • Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    I think you know the answer to those questions
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    Scoham said:





    Just make me comercial director and head of operations.

    "Sandgasm" is happening boys.


  • I think what he is thinking is that he will be the main act!! So it wouldn’t be busy so not a problem.

  • Be a good way to bring in £1m odd of income tbf
  • Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    You Prick
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  • Hope he’s told the council. Is there anyone left down there who even understands they need to be licensed?
    Would it be a massive step from a full house night game re' the time, the amount of people and noise pollution?

    Genuine question
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    I wonder what the capacity would be for a concert with fans on the pitch? And how that impacts how they get in and out? Parking, capacity of Charlton Station, getting people from the O2 to the ground.

    Biggest issue I had when working on the Coe / Broughton Chelsea bid was the logistics around increasing the capacity of Stamford Bridge. The council wouldn't allow an extra 25,000 people per game streaming out of Fulham Broadway tube onto the high street so we would have to build a direct link from the tube across to the stadium at a massive cost.

    That was at least partly worth considering as it was a recurring scenario. I dont know how it would work with a one off game.

    Thinking the south would be closed...... people sitting in the north, west and east and on the pitch. What's that gonna be - 40,000? Best chance of controlling the noise would be having the stage facing away from the flats and the sound going the other way..... natural bowl of the North could hold more in from Harvey Gardens direction.
  • If it makes money and can be set in stone, then yes, have some gigs at the valley. 

    Not a bad idea at all 
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