Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

supaclive said:

Callumcafc said:

I didn’t realise Dobson was on par with prime Claude Makelele.

We finished 13th in League One ffs. No-one’s place, including the player of the year, should be safe.

Without him, we'd probably have got relegated.....

Yes we’d have been in trouble if we had had to rely on Ben Watson and Harry Arter.

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

Near enough every season since relegation from the PL we have sold our best player at the end of the year and fans on here have written what you have written.  Every season it has failed which ultimately has led to something like 8-9 seasons in L1 and us establishing ourselves as a mid table team in the lower leagues.

Dobson should be in the team, no arguments.  He is decent but won't command a fee of sufficient size to make a difference to us imo.

Has Dobson been sold yet and are we still talking about it?

I, for one, would be very disappointed if  Dobbo leaves  without having the opportunity to show that he is perfectly capable of playing a significant role in this season's bid for promotion....why indeed would this be a doubt ?  

I'm sure McGrandles was identified by Garner as ALSO being a player that would benefit & improve his squad but not necessarily in the same role as our POTY. 

Why does it seemingly have to be one or the other, as opposed to both ? 

A player, outstanding last season & indeed a shining light in what most here would describe as an inadequate, even failing squad, who gave 100% every time he was on the pitch and who gained a huge percentage of votes cast for our POTY, being considered as surplus to requirements is, I believe  insulting.  

Had McGrandles (seemingly George's "rival" for a starting berth) been in Garner's Swindon team last season, then maybe I could  understand why the gaffer was so keen to sign him again, but that doesn't compute. And surely, the decision to sign the Lincoln man was made relatively early in BG's tenure, before he had adequate time to view Dobbo's qualities.

Of course, I can now hear the gears turning in the heads of a number of fellow Lifers, muttering that they know what's coming next ...

But, unless my memory fails me, I had an inkling a week or more ago, that our owner, and possibly our new manager, might be open to offers for our respected midfielder. 

There aren't too many other current first teamers that would be " a nice little earner" if sold & who would have been noticed by other clubs over the past, disappointing season....and the fans' favourite to boot ! How many times have we been reminded that players we signed in the past were their former club's POTY as this seems to mean a BIG tick in the positives column ? 

And, as others are stating, it sounds as though it's a one in, one out situation, so that's a further box ticked. 

Yes, I know, I know, and I do agree that we urgently need another decent striker who won't be cheap but IMO this should NOT be at the expense of a loyal, 100 percenter who, unless he's being pursued by David Moyes ( manager of the club that he & his family have supported long term) I'm pretty certain wants to stay at CAFC to play his part in a more successful season than his first. Why wouldn't he ? 

I sincerely hope that I'm wrong & that no-one has any intention of letting GD leave. 

But, let's leave it there with my final thought that nothing would surprise me. 

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

We should not be selling our best player
That's the wrong idea
We have an option for another year
We should build a team around him
We can discuss this in 46 games time.  IF it happens.

It depends on whether or not you think he is our best player. Certainly he earned player of the year on merit but given the "competition" that's not as big an achievement as it could be.

He's probably the best outright defensive midfielder we have but in terms of all round play I would say a fully fit JFC is the better all round player, and in terms of a threat going forward CBT is certainly much more potent, with Fraser showing signs of blossoming in a formation that suits him and McGrandles and Payne both coming in with good reputations. Even if he WAS our best player it doesn't mean he still is.

I don't want him sold, I don't even think that Garner or Sandgaard want to get rid of him but IF he does end up going I don't think he's going to be as missed as much by this season's squad as he would've been last season.

He's not better than a player we are trying to sell and not better than CBT?

oh my
I give up
Fraser?  
Sigh

NabySarr said:

Athletico Charlton said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

Near enough every season since relegation from the PL we have sold our best player at the end of the year and fans on here have written what you have written.  Every season it has failed which ultimately has led to something like 8-9 seasons in L1 and us establishing ourselves as a mid table team in the lower leagues.

Dobson should be in the team, no arguments.  He is decent but won't command a fee of sufficient size to make a difference to us imo.

A fee for Dobson could be worth 3 players wages. That’s a huge difference if we are struggling to juggle FFP. Hopefully we can shift others like MacGillivray and Gilbey and then we can keep Dobson and get the signings we need. This is obviously what we will be trying to do but it’s not easy to sell shit. If it’s a choice between keeping Dobson and only signing 1 more or selling Dobson and signing 3/4 more then it’s a no brainer 

Nonsense
You don't sell your best players if you want to get promoted 

Can’t believe we’re still talking about Dobbo!

FFS have none of you got lives?

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

NabySarr said:

Athletico Charlton said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

Near enough every season since relegation from the PL we have sold our best player at the end of the year and fans on here have written what you have written.  Every season it has failed which ultimately has led to something like 8-9 seasons in L1 and us establishing ourselves as a mid table team in the lower leagues.

Dobson should be in the team, no arguments.  He is decent but won't command a fee of sufficient size to make a difference to us imo.

A fee for Dobson could be worth 3 players wages. That’s a huge difference if we are struggling to juggle FFP. Hopefully we can shift others like MacGillivray and Gilbey and then we can keep Dobson and get the signings we need. This is obviously what we will be trying to do but it’s not easy to sell shit. If it’s a choice between keeping Dobson and only signing 1 more or selling Dobson and signing 3/4 more then it’s a no brainer 

Nonsense
You don't sell your best players if you want to get promoted 

He was the best player in a squad that managed to finish 13th and well short of promotion. He's hardly a League 1 Kante.

Leicester since Kante?
Don't do down the job he did
He was our best player by miles!

NabySarr said:

supaclive said:

NabySarr said:

Athletico Charlton said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

Near enough every season since relegation from the PL we have sold our best player at the end of the year and fans on here have written what you have written.  Every season it has failed which ultimately has led to something like 8-9 seasons in L1 and us establishing ourselves as a mid table team in the lower leagues.

Dobson should be in the team, no arguments.  He is decent but won't command a fee of sufficient size to make a difference to us imo.

A fee for Dobson could be worth 3 players wages. That’s a huge difference if we are struggling to juggle FFP. Hopefully we can shift others like MacGillivray and Gilbey and then we can keep Dobson and get the signings we need. This is obviously what we will be trying to do but it’s not easy to sell shit. If it’s a choice between keeping Dobson and only signing 1 more or selling Dobson and signing 3/4 more then it’s a no brainer 

Nonsense
You don't sell your best players if you want to get promoted 

Tell that to Brentford 

Fab
One team
Who bought one of our players we got rid of
They are unique
Like Charlton of the early 2000s
Once in a generation team / set up

You win

We have an awful habit of cashing in on POTYs so would not surprise me, but think very highly and fondly of Dobbo, so hope one or two others will be making way for further recruits before him.

I think McGrandles and Payne will open our eyes to some real quality this season, as will Fraser. Long season, quality squad needed…

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

We should not be selling our best player
That's the wrong idea
We have an option for another year
We should build a team around him
We can discuss this in 46 games time.  IF it happens.

It depends on whether or not you think he is our best player. Certainly he earned player of the year on merit but given the "competition" that's not as big an achievement as it could be.

He's probably the best outright defensive midfielder we have but in terms of all round play I would say a fully fit JFC is the better all round player, and in terms of a threat going forward CBT is certainly much more potent, with Fraser showing signs of blossoming in a formation that suits him and McGrandles and Payne both coming in with good reputations. Even if he WAS our best player it doesn't mean he still is.

I don't want him sold, I don't even think that Garner or Sandgaard want to get rid of him but IF he does end up going I don't think he's going to be as missed as much by this season's squad (sic) as he would've been last season.

That may depend entirely on how we fare without him (in this hypothetical scenario).
I have "liked"  @Fanny Fanackapan's  post above because I share her view that it would seem distasteful to dispense of George in such a cavalier fashion after his magnificent and wholehearted contribution to last year's campaign and seemingly without affording him the opportunity to show what he can do within the new set-up.
But, and this is the big but, fans are fickle.
If we are storming the league the sale of George (if it happens) will in all probability soon be forgotten and there will be those who will laud it as a shrewd bit of business if it allows funds to strengthen BG's squad and vision.
If however we are floundering and witnessing oppo teams storming through our defence like a knife through butter, without the option of a player who's raison d'etre was breaking up those threats, then Benny Boy may well be toast.

Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

thenewbie said:

supaclive said:

Garrymanilow said:

There's a lot of flap about Dobson based on no evidence so far but I'm fairly calm about whether he stays or goes. I do think he's a better passer of the ball than he's given credit for and I think he could play higher up the pitch if we're playing a deep-lying playmaker at the base of the midfield rather than a destroyer. Having said that though, if Garner has decided that he doesn't suit what he's going to do then in terms of a sale his stock will never be higher than it is now after winning POTY, and with our well-stocked midfield we could afford to move him on more than we can afford to go into the bulk of the season without another winger and another striker. Some players just don't suit how a manager wants to play, and if Dobson falls into that category and Garner feels we don't need him because we have McGrandles doing a similar but slightly different role, and we use the money from his sale to get in a goal-scoring winger and some competition for Stockley then I'm happy. The most viable strategy any team has these days is to get decent players in and sell them on at a profit to bring in more decent players. We got Dobson for nothing, if Garner doesn't play with a player like him and we sell him for cash then that's not necessarily a bad thing. If this is all smoke though then I'm sure he can play in front of a deeper midfielder and play well. We'll just have to see what happens.

I simply disagree
Dobson is better than McGrandles
Payne
Gilbey 
Morgan
JFC
Fraser

He was our RUNAWAY player of the year.

Selling him because he's valuable is stupid economics if it makes us worse, which it will.

But if we use the money to improve the squad overall then it's good common sense. If he goes but a striker comes in that fits the system better than Stockley, we're better off overall.

The only one of those players you can realistically compare him to is McGrandles as the others just don't play in the same way or position. Certainly he is much, much better than Fraser or Payne defensively but I doubt he would bring as much going forward so I can't get behind the idea he's objectively THAT much better.

We should not be selling our best player
That's the wrong idea
We have an option for another year
We should build a team around him
We can discuss this in 46 games time.  IF it happens.

It depends on whether or not you think he is our best player. Certainly he earned player of the year on merit but given the "competition" that's not as big an achievement as it could be.

He's probably the best outright defensive midfielder we have but in terms of all round play I would say a fully fit JFC is the better all round player, and in terms of a threat going forward CBT is certainly much more potent, with Fraser showing signs of blossoming in a formation that suits him and McGrandles and Payne both coming in with good reputations. Even if he WAS our best player it doesn't mean he still is.

I don't want him sold, I don't even think that Garner or Sandgaard want to get rid of him but IF he does end up going I don't think he's going to be as missed as much by this season's squad (sic) as he would've been last season.

That may depend entirely on how we fare without him (in this hypothetical scenario).
I have "liked"  @Fanny Fanackapan's  post above because I share her view that it would seem distasteful to dispense of George in such a cavalier fashion after his magnificent and wholehearted contribution to last year's campaign and seemingly without affording him the opportunity to show what he can do within the new set-up.
But, and this is the big but, fans are fickle.
If we are storming the league the sale of George (if it happens) will in all probability soon be forgotten and there will be those who will laud it as a shrewd bit of business if it allows funds to strengthen BG's squad and vision.
If however we are floundering and witnessing oppo teams storming through our defence like a knife through butter, without the option of a player who's raison d'etre was breaking up those threats, then Benny Boy may well be toast.

Perfect