Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.
Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
Comments
-
RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.6
-
RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.0
-
MuttleyCAFC said:We were run by a bunch of crooks. I am grateful for Sandgaard prising the club from them but critical of a lot of his decisions as an owner. I have the Danish Flag behind Muttley which shows my gratitude. I think he is making poor calls now though so should I just be happy about it?
If it came down to it, A pound to a penny says we'd go straight to the knees up or the beer. Well I would, but I'm just a keyboard warrior 🥊🕺🍻 😎0 -
shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
0 -
Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
Another club in Derby as well. See what they are like on Saturday1 -
shirty5 said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
Another club in Derby as well. See what they are like on Saturday
If we win- they’re in financial difficulty and have made a lot of changes with new players yet to gel0 -
Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.4 -
cafcfan1990 said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
0 -
Nobody can say what would have happened in 2020 and few wanted to find out. However, it is correct in my view that the point of maximum jeopardy - certainly since the war - was 1984, because as I understand it the option of administration did not exist in English insolvency law at that time. In addition, football generally was in the doldrums.I will say that I don’t think the prospect of a points deduction was the significant problem to the people in the wings in 2020. The issue was The Valley and Sparrows Lane. Administration would have posed some interesting questions for RD, who was on the hook for the ex-director loans and would not easily have got his loan to CAFC back if he found himself without a tenant.2
-
ForeverAddickted said:cafcfan1990 said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
3 - Sponsored links:
-
We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.4 -
MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.16 -
MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
I don't think he's being treated unfairly on the whole. He got the praise he deserved for appointing a manager to play a certain style and then signing players to fit that style and for the improvements to the training ground. He's also faced criticism for other decisions, some justified, some probably a little over the top. I think the biggest issue is that his personality is so marmite and that's why it's dividing the fanbase a little. He's got an ego, he likes the limelight and he likes to talk. Some fans dislike that a lot more than others. I suspect most won't care if we're successful on the pitch but it's going to divide opinion until that's the case unfortunately.5 -
Fair play to TS for saving the club from the spivs for which I am grateful. I also understand there is a limit to how many millions he wants to invest and his hopes to achieve success in his own way.
However, it feels like it is getting increasingly tougher to get out of L1. You probably do need to spend more than he is apparently willing, or able to, in order bring that little bit of extra quality into the squad to have a team that matches his ambitions. I watched the 10 minute highlights of Saturday's game on Charlton TV yesterday and that, together with what I have seen of the pre-season games, did not fill me with much optimism we will achieve a top six position this season.
As ever, we will have to wait and see what happens between now and the closing of the transfer window but I suspect we will already be in a catch up situation by 1st September. If our remaining signings are primarily young loanees then they need to be of the quality of a Cullen/Bielik/Gallagher as opposed to some of the others we have seen in the last couple of years. Plus of course, we need more options up front.0 -
Without getting into the weeds of this, I do think that the idea that 'we have had four managers in two years which means we have been chaotically run' does not really hold water. As we all know, one of those resigned to move up a division, one was sacked after being given far more time than most fans wanted, one he obviously never wanted but buckled to fan and media pressure, and the other we still have.I would not want to see this turnover rate continue, but neither do I think his past performance really suggests that it will.16
-
SteveKielyCambridge said:Without getting into the weeds of this, I do think that the idea that 'we have had four managers in two years which means we have been chaotically run' does not really hold water. As we all know, one of those resigned to move up a division, one was sacked after being given far more time than most fans wanted, one he obviously never wanted but buckled to fan and media pressure, and the other we still have.I would not want to see this turnover rate continue, but neither do I think his past performance really suggests that it will.
That said, when you consider that off the field appointments are also coming in and out at a very high rate and with no particular discernible success then at the very least he needs to be a bit more circumspect about slinging mud at other owners past or present.
I don't doubt that his intentions and enthusiasm are genuine and I'm sure he truly wants and believes he will be successful but he's not actually delivered in terms of results just yet. He's taken a midtable League One side and at considerable expense transformed it into... Well, a midtable League One side.
Yes he's had to unravel and undo damage done before but there's only so long that remains a valid reason/excuse.3 -
thenewbie said:
That said, when you consider that off the field appointments are also coming in and out at a very high rate and with no particular discernible success then at the very least he needs to be a bit more circumspect about slinging mud at other owners past or present.
I don't doubt that his intentions and enthusiasm are genuine and I'm sure he truly wants and believes he will be successful but he's not actually delivered in terms of results just yet. He's taken a midtable League One side and at considerable expense transformed it into... Well, a midtable League One side.
Yes he's had to unravel and undo damage done before but there's only so long that remains a valid reason/excuse.
No doubt there is a lot of truth in what you say. I tend to feel that takeovers are likely to be somewhat chaotic times and now is the time to really put a firm plan in place, plus my take is that the division as a whole is just getting better, but I can certainly see what you mean.
0 -
SteveKielyCambridge said:thenewbie said:
That said, when you consider that off the field appointments are also coming in and out at a very high rate and with no particular discernible success then at the very least he needs to be a bit more circumspect about slinging mud at other owners past or present.
I don't doubt that his intentions and enthusiasm are genuine and I'm sure he truly wants and believes he will be successful but he's not actually delivered in terms of results just yet. He's taken a midtable League One side and at considerable expense transformed it into... Well, a midtable League One side.
Yes he's had to unravel and undo damage done before but there's only so long that remains a valid reason/excuse.
No doubt there is a lot of truth in what you say. I tend to feel that takeovers are likely to be somewhat chaotic times and now is the time to really put a firm plan in place, plus my take is that the division as a whole is just getting better, but I can certainly see what you mean.
I think you probably have a point that the division as a whole is getting better/harder but my concern is that Sandgaard doesn't seem to be adjusting accordingly.2 -
DamoNorthStand said:4
-
ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.9 - Sponsored links:
-
Crusty54 said:ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.6 -
Crusty54 said:ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.2 -
SouthWest_Addicks said:Crusty54 said:ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.
3 -
swordfish said:SouthWest_Addicks said:Crusty54 said:ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.
It's perfectly reasonable for TS to have Martin here full time and to utilise Raelynn's skills while she is here, assuming she accompanies him.
I have come to the conclusion that Martin’s input, and ability, has been massively over egged by TS. I just think that's the way he is. The story is never consistent and every now and then he credits Martin with stuff thats massively over hyped.
Raelynn, as far as I know, has no official role other than being the partner of the owner. Yet she obviously does "stuff" above and beyond that.
I don't believe people should make on the record statements every 5 minutes, like some people demand, but a bit of clarity about Raelynn and consistency and honesty about Martin would stop half the criticism/arguing in an instant.1 -
Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.2 -
CafcSCP said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.3 -
superclive98 said:CafcSCP said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
Each case is different. We're as vulnerable as Derby having failed to rid ourselves of a former owner, only in our case one who has no love for the Club.
Still, if Thomas was to tire of fannying about here and put us into administration, unlikely though that is, no doubt a rich white knight will save us and propel us upwards. And if not, well we'll just start up again as a phoenix Club lower down the League structure, playing who knows where. We'd get to see some new grounds too.
It couldn't happen though could it, because we're Charlton.
0 -
swordfish said:superclive98 said:CafcSCP said:Crusty54 said:shirty5 said:RonnieMoore said:MuttleyCAFC said:If you are content, happily watch the club decline even more.
HMRC don't care about clubs. They want their pound of flesh.
Each case is different. We're as vulnerable as Derby having failed to rid ourselves of a former owner, only in our case one who has no love for the Club.
Still, when Thomas finally tires of fannying about here and puts us into administration, no doubt a rich white knight will save us and propel us upwards. And if not, well we'll just start up again as a phoenix Club lower down the League structure, playing who knows where. We'd get to see some new grounds too.
It couldn't happen though could it, because we're Charlton.2 -
ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
of about 10 staff at its height, the MD would involve his wife, sister and network of cheaper alternatives. This is where the problem lies in that they were all there to do his bidding.The Jokat example was very telling imo. As I understand it, he was someone who didn’t like the interference (quite rightly, why appoint someone in that role and not give them autonomy), and was gone within 8 weeks. This where we will continue to have problems. Jokat may not have been right for the role (which is another issue), but if the culture is one of a club being run over discussions at the dinner table every night by TS and Raelynn, then it won’t go very far.He should have an awareness of this given how well Zynex have done in the past.7 -
Crusty54 said:ElfsborgAddick said:MuttleyCAFC said:We should still be grateful to Sandgaard. There was a chance we could have ceased to exist and he removed it. Also, he has invested in the club and in my view, wiser investment of the same scale and we would be in a much better place.
Behind the scenes it has been a bit chaotic as well as in front of them as 4 managers testify to. Stability seems to be a word Sandgaard doesn't understand. He has bought and owns this expensive toy and wants to play with it. The problem is, we have an emotional attachment to it and the fans, lets face it, area a big reason why people buy into a loss making business like football. Well lower league football at least. For the adulation and triumph when you get it right.
After that we can move forward, behind the scenes anyway.
Have you any idea what Raelynn Maloney is working on? I have spoken her and she is doing some trouble shooting like identifying why season tickets to the same address are posted separately. This is down to old computer systems. Changes happening for next season. She knows and understands the internal set up pretty well.
My Branch Manager was given the post because of his dad being the owner of the company, it's an absolute mess and the poor fella does not know what day of the week it is.
Was you a supporter of Meire btw?4