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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • I have to say that trying to compare TS with some theoretical secret investor who definitely would have spent all the money in the world to get us into the Premier League (although they never even spoke to RD) is not a comparison that any owner is ever going to be able to live up to. So I am not sure how fair it is.
    People need to get over this fantasy that a billionaire is is going to sweep in and spend many multiple-millions to get us into the Premier League - it cannot happen. The Championship is awash with men who are perfectly rich enough, but whose failures show that this route is impossible.
    The one and only way to make sustainable progress is to run a tight ship, sell players at a profit and invest in new ones, and maximise the revenues that are in your gift to affect.
    Is tripling revenue a very high target? Yes! But our ground is half empty most weeks, so that could, in theory, be doubled and if that happened it would no doubt bring wider revenue streams.
    This is something that TS can, at least in theory, reliably affect so it is what he needs to target his business on. Getting promoted is not.
  • Apparently a bumper crowd is expected tomorrow. What counts as a bumper crowd these days?
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  • Apparently a bumper crowd is expected tomorrow. What counts as a bumper crowd these days?
    Over 7300 season ticket holders 
    Over 3000 Derby fans
    500 Community Trust tickets

    Plus how many matchday sales

    14000 max imo
  • shirty5 said:
    Over 7300 season ticket holders 
    Over 3000 Derby fans
    500 Community Trust tickets

    Plus how many matchday sales

    14000 max imo
    Bumper it is then!
  • I wonder whether Barclay and the secret billionaire are now thinking they dodged a bullet.

     Why? It's still the same bullet isn't it?

    If they'd struck a deal on their terms and not Duchatelets they would have done the deal and taken their own path
  • Bumper doesn’t signify a number it signifies Thomas is visiting.
  •  Why? It's still the same bullet isn't it?

    If they'd struck a deal on their terms and not Duchatelets they would have done the deal and taken their own path
    Yeh, my fingers are outrunning my brain this morning
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  • Bumper doesn’t signify a number it signifies Thomas is visiting.
    And the music is going to be louder than normal.
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    thenewbie said:
    Who is hounding anyone? As far as I know there's no talk of protests or action unless it's on the very edge of the lunatic fringe who can be safely ignored.

    Expressing doubts and concerns is another thing entirely and frankly I see it as understable given (relatively) recent events.
    Did I say anyone was hounding out?, I’ve asked a hypothetical question. No need to turn it into a bitch.
  • paulfox said:
    Did I say anyone was hounding out?, I’ve asked a hypothetical question. No need to turn it into a bitch.
    I wouldn't say RD was actually driven out. It's ironic to use that term when he's still our overlord, this site a reminder he's still with us, the  'Roland Out Forever!' still appearing at the foot of every page.

    He sold the football operating side of the business because he was hemorrhaging money from it, the level of the losses influenced by fan action, which angered him but served mainly as an outlet for fans to vent their frustrations, which was a good thing for individuals mental health and helped raised public awareness of our plight.

    I'm certainly not going to lose sleep wondering whether I did the right thing making my views about RD clear. He wanted out from the moment he realised his cunning plan to beat the system had failed. The profit and loss account told him that, not me or you. That's why he started running it on a shoestring budget whilst selling.

    All owners of Clubs outside the Prem find it hard to operate at break even, the way they are run determining the scale of the losses. That's why the EFL require proof of funds to sustain their Club's year on year.

    I expect that TS similarly has an exit strategy based on success or failure of his five year plan.
  • shirty5 said:
    Over 7300 season ticket holders 
    Over 3000 Derby fans
    500 Community Trust tickets

    Plus how many day-before-matchday sales

    14000 max imo

  • Yes, we would be in danger of "hounding him out" if we were protesting or anything similar. Having doubts, questioning some of his decision making and criticising some of his actions is miles away from anything like hounding him out. Sandgaard is not being treated like Roland was (rightfully so). From what I can see/read, 95% of fans are more than happy to give him the opportunity to get things right, but that doesn't mean they can't have an opinion does it? 
    No not at all, but those people also need to respect others opinion and not try and shut them up if they disagree.Seems to be a lot of doubt and moaning if 95% are happy though. We are never going to have the perfect owner so sometimes better the devil you know. 
  • cabbles said:
    Be interesting to see RD’s age and how that plays a factor.

    Not suggesting he’s close to leaving this world, but at 75, this may also have an impact for whoever is owner in a few years 

    He'll pass it down to his boy.
  • Absolutely, but when people are constantly sniping, I think it’s worth remembering no one else was willing to do what TS did. 


    True but that’s because they didn’t see it as a sensible thing to do, rather than they couldn’t. I don’t think it’s sniping to recognise that the club still has a big structural problem.
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  • shirty5 said:
    Over 7300 season ticket holders 
    Over 3000 Derby fans
    500 Community Trust tickets

    Plus how many matchday sales

    14000 max imo
    15-16,000 I reckon
  • DOUCHER said:
    15-16,000 I reckon
    Might be a stretch. I think this will be the biggest crowd for several months, unless there are promotions.
  • Might be a stretch. I think this will be the biggest crowd for several months, unless there are promotions.
    More likely the very final couple of games at home if we are in the promotion (or are being promoted) mix. I think 2018/19 it was only really the final couple of games that saw a boost, and the was only to 12k from 10ish-k and below earlier in the season. Playing Rochdale and Scunthorpe in those final two games that season also meant very low away support though (back to back 4 nil wins). 
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    Up to a point, but he is the one removing senior staff because they tell him the truth about it.
    What does that prove? Possibly that he's an arrogant hothead, or maybe even an arsehole, or just that he wants people who buy into what he's trying to do, what it doesn't prove is that his ownership is contingent on tripling the revenue. 
  • Chunes said:
    What does that prove? Possibly that he's an arrogant hothead, or maybe even an arsehole, or just that he wants people who buy into what he's trying to do, what it doesn't prove is that his ownership is contingent on tripling the revenue. 
    I doubt he needs to triple it, even though apparently it’s a puzzle why no one has done it before, but he does want to break even (who wouldn’t?). I don’t think he has the appetite for putting in £6m-£8m year after year, but of course he may be another gambler who can’t leave the table. Then again Murray had tasted success.
  • I have read all the recent comments with interest but my mind remains the same as it did before I read them. RD was and still is the problem and the ongoing structural problems are purely down to his stubborness. There were obviously interested parties (Aussies/Barclay etc) who wanted everything lock, stock and barrel but it didn't happen because RD wouldn't talk, changed the goalposts and kept with his overinflated valuation. It was perfect for him to get rid of the operating losses and lease the ground and he eventually ends up with TS who got rid of penniless ESi and puts RD in a decent but not perfect position.
    From a fans point of view TS did save the club and I am not sure what other option we had apart from administration but most could see through his "blow the league away" comment and realised that his 5 year plan was pretty much pie in the sky. We also know that as far as football owners go he isn't that wealthy and that he was going to lose millions but some still hold him to his overly optimistic comments. 
    Nobody knows what the future holds but I don't see a white knight in shining armour arriving anytime soon and even if that happens it will still be reliant on RD playing ball. I can understand the frustration some have with TS and the way he operates but I always remember it wasn't him who separated the club from its assets, what he did was give us a way out of a really nasty situation. 
    Finally, re the discussion on "hounding him out", whilst I don't believe that is happening the momentum against him will rise, and quickly if we don't succeed on the pitch, and if that doesn't happen I would not write off protests in the near future.
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    Personally I would neither support nor participate in protests against TS. While I don’t think he’s on the right track, I don’t question his intentions.
    This is what a lot of people including myself will welcome hearing  from you AIRMAN, as I’ve said in the past and you know it, when you throw doubts into the pot people react, and not always in the most favourable way. Hopefully he does get things on the right track and we will all be singing from the same sheet.👍.  Admittedly having the best intentions isn’t a given that things will work, but it’s a start.
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