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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)
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Fair point mate, if he could get goals last season you'd have think he would certainly be able to this year. I just look at the way we play tactically and think a Stockton/Simpson type would more likely be able to link up and overlap with our CAMs bringing goals to those round him as well as himself. I've just not seen that at all from Stockley in pre season or the main games. I don't know how long we can give someone to get a solitary competitive goal before deciding we're placing all our eggs in one basket and the window slams shut. At the very least we should ready ourselves for the possibility that he won't be as effective in this system. Few people are calling for him to be instantly replaced, but we should at least give ourselves the option. The only reason I think we wouldn't is down to budget, and if that's the case then it is what it is, but I think it would be a shame to have a very competitive team and fall short because we wouldn't invest in another option.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think this is a good point. Where Stockley can struggle is when he has a couple of players on him and that is an issue when there is nobody else to take the strain and help him. He will find it easier in some games more than others and an option would be good when it isn't working. I still think Stockley will get a decent number and finish our top scorer as it stands. In a team that doesn't seem to have the circa 70 goals it will probably need in it, it seems destructive to take Stockley's contribution away from that already challenging total.Vfrf said:
Quite possibly... That said I do know lots of my friends who aren't on forums feel the same (and it's not the usual groupthink). We know Stockley has goals in him, but when he doesn't look like scoring in this system with three games of heavy possession, it's entirely possible lots of people have noticed that. I for one enjoyed a few of the runs Leaburn was making against Wednesday, but just don't think he's ready yet to be a serious contender for our central striking position. Someone like Simpson or Stockton would be better suited to that 'get in behind' style of play and we have the technical players to execute that with the likes of Fraser, Morgan and Payne. Would be a no brainer to me to at least bring in one striker who isn't a target man to at least rotate the game when Stockley is being marked out of it.Redhenry said:
This is exactly what I mean... Seems like an agenda, wondering if it's one person setting up multiple accounts.TheAddicks4Ever said:What no striker ?0 -
I have been saying all along that Stockton would suit us but I can't see that is going to happen, Simpson neither so we have Stockley to get the best out of. If Stockley is what you have, you need to maximise what you get from him. If the system means he doesn't score then we have to tweak it as it is going to be easier getting goals from Stockley than players that have scored one or two a season or worse throughout their careers.
I agree totally with your final point but isn't that mostly the Charlton way over the last decade.?1 -
My Dad isn't on any forums and he thinks the weak link in our play is Stockley, I am on the forums and think the same. One of my friends who isn't a Charlton fan but came with me to the Swansea friendly commented that "your striker isn't very good is he?" when he miscontrolled the ball for the third time in the box, breaking down a decent passage of play yet again.
Look, I don't think he's as bad as some make out, and last season he proved he can score goals, but last season we played a very different style of football, and unless something clicks soon, he's going to start to cop a lot more flack if he doesn't start scoring, because he's the focal point of the team and the attack3 -
I think Stockton would thrive in this teamVfrf said:
Quite possibly... That said I do know lots of my friends who aren't on forums feel the same (and it's not the usual groupthink). We know Stockley has goals in him, but when he doesn't look like scoring in this system with three games of heavy possession, it's entirely possible lots of people have noticed that. I for one enjoyed a few of the runs Leaburn was making against Wednesday, but just don't think he's ready yet to be a serious contender for our central striking position. Someone like Simpson or Stockton would be better suited to that 'get in behind' style of play and we have the technical players to execute that with the likes of Fraser, Morgan and Payne. Would be a no brainer to me to at least bring in one striker who isn't a target man to at least rotate the game when Stockley is being marked out of it.Redhenry said:
This is exactly what I mean... Seems like an agenda, wondering if it's one person setting up multiple accounts.TheAddicks4Ever said:What no striker ?4 -
It is a shame, I have to say that our forwards comprise of a reliance on a 19, 18 and 17 year old, knowing that the senior forward suffered a bad injury last year and his understudy does not start games.
No moaning but an area I thought we would learn from and apply this season.0 -
We still might.. dependent on who leaves and who becomes available.mendonca said:It is a shame, I have to say that our forwards comprise of a reliance on a 19, 18 and 17 year old, knowing that the senior forward suffered a bad injury last year and his understudy does not start games.
No moaning but an area I thought we would learn from and apply this season.1 -
If we got an offer for Stockley do you think Garner would be tempted to go for someone else? Feels like he is the first name on the team sheet if he’s been made captain.0
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Redhenry said:
This is exactly what I mean... Seems like an agenda, wondering if it's one person setting up multiple accounts.TheAddicks4Ever said:What no striker ?Are you saying that the forum is being invaded by social media bots? If so, millwall fans aren’t smart enough to hire a bot company and palace fans bots would end every post with a series of cringy emojis0 -
I think any league 1 manager would be tempted by an offer for any of his players if he thought the money could improve the team/squad.SouthLincsAddick said:If we got an offer for Stockley do you think Garner would be tempted to go for someone else? Feels like he is the first name on the team sheet if he’s been made captain.0 -
Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Mallik Wilkes43
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That would be absolutely sensationalNo.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes9 -
The issue at this late stage would be getting the replacement. If there was one available, given our known lack of strikers any replacement would probably cost us way over the worth of the player.Cafc43v3r said:
I think any league 1 manager would be tempted by an offer for any of his players if he thought the money could improve the team/squad.SouthLincsAddick said:If we got an offer for Stockley do you think Garner would be tempted to go for someone else? Feels like he is the first name on the team sheet if he’s been made captain.0 -
While we are on the Stockley thread, he always looked like nicking a goal when we were a poor/average football team last season but never even looks like scoring now we are trying to be a more fluid footballing team.
I don't think many/any are suggesting he is poor - just that based on evidence to date he does not seem to flourish in the Garner-style system.
Early days and a few others are struggling to get going too (Fraser and Kirk) but a valid concern all the same.
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Football League World (massive amount of salt to be taken) are claiming that Portsmouth are interested in Alex Gilbey
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/“would-be-a-smart-addition”-–-portsmouth-set-sights-on-charlton-athletic-midfielder-the-verdict/ar-AA10HWdW?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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I should have added a winky face.Redhenry said:
well done Sir....captainbob said:
An ellipsis should only have three dots.Redhenry said:Seem to be a lot of one line negative comments on here recently, from posters I haven't really seen before.... Weird
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Think I see somewhere that Cowley distanced themselves but that doesnt mean that nothing is going to happen!ForeverAddickted said:Football League World (massive amount of salt to be taken) are claiming that Portsmouth are interested in Alex Gilbey
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/“would-be-a-smart-addition”-–-portsmouth-set-sights-on-charlton-athletic-midfielder-the-verdict/ar-AA10HWdW?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter1 -
No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes
Hope that's true! Assume he'd play down the middle.7 -
If true, that would be a fantastic signing, and one I said at the start of the window that would lay down a marker.. he will be the difference.No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes5 -
Blimey hope thats true! What a signing that would be.No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes
Has he played a striker before just out of interest? I know he is a winger by trade.0 -
Don’t give me hope! I have been predicting we will finish 10th-12th but this kind of signing is one that could definitely propel us into the top 6No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes3 - Sponsored links:
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Yes he has, but seems most productive from the right wingking addick said:
Blimey hope thats true! What a signing that would be.No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes
Has he played a striker before just out of interest? I know he is a winger by trade.0 -
Thirteen league goals last season (and yes, he was out injured for a time), but if there was a clip reel showing all his goals I think it’d show that very few were ‘value added’.sam3110 said:My Dad isn't on any forums and he thinks the weak link in our play is Stockley, I am on the forums and think the same. One of my friends who isn't a Charlton fan but came with me to the Swansea friendly commented that "your striker isn't very good is he?" when he miscontrolled the ball for the third time in the box, breaking down a decent passage of play yet again.
Look, I don't think he's as bad as some make out, and last season he proved he can score goals, but last season we played a very different style of football, and unless something clicks soon, he's going to start to cop a lot more flack if he doesn't start scoring, because he's the focal point of the team and the attackIn other words, he didn’t outsprint a defender, or turn a marker inside out, or beat the keeper by finding the top corner or by the power of his shot etc. Those are the sort of goals you get from a really decent striker. Maybe one or two goals were decent, but it’s a relatively small percentage.Yes, all goals count, including the tap-ins, but I don’t think he’ll get many on top of those, which isn’t what we need right now.0 -
Reliable source? (Within the club or from the player's camp)No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes
Really hope this has legs as he's a player I've wanted us to sign for about 3 years!7 -
I think we would sell regardless of him being captain.SouthLincsAddick said:If we got an offer for Stockley do you think Garner would be tempted to go for someone else? Feels like he is the first name on the team sheet if he’s been made captain.
We were interested in talking to Sheff Weds about him in the summer. We just rightly will not let him go for peanuts.
Garner mentioned at the weekend that we have players lined up for every position as you never know what may happen.
I don’t see Stockley leaving this window but that’s mainly because no-one will pay what we would want rather than us thinking it is critical to keep him.1 -
Can only see this happening if Kirk goes to Blackpool.No.1 in South London said:Hearing we are trying to negotiate a permanent deal for Malik Wilkes9 -
Wilks would be an amazing signing.Lone striker or winger.Strong, pacy, good finisher.
Only 23, still improving.2 -
Wilkes should be a superb signing.5
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Would Wilkes play the Stockley role or CBT/Kirk?1
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I think this will develop more chat than the speed it's probably moving.1
