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Summer 2022 transfer rumours (Gilbey loan confirmed p513, a signing falls through last minute p541)

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  • masicat said:
    My source sticks by this and says that Bonne told him QPR tried to shaft him and he refused. I stick by my comments ..
    Sounds plausible. QPR tries to shaft him, he then reads what we say about him, refuses to leave, and promptly posts a silly little picture to get back at us!
  • What I like about Clayden is that he plays his game and I think it will mean he develops quickly into a decent player. We should factor in that he is not a left back and of course that he is still learning which is apparent sometimes but other times he looks good and grabs your attention. A poster suggested he might be better playing in Kirk's position but the issue of course is we don't have a left back to replace him with. 
  • I do agree with you on this and in fairness to Garner the realisation that he has been left with out the players he likely expected is fresh.  Going forward though he needs to find a solution between now and January even if it means changing or tweaking the system.  Else this is likely to unfold as it did under the previous 2 managers.

      
    I actually wouldn't mind seeing Rak-Sakyi upfront with Stockley as an alternative formation, think Rak-Sakyi would cause havoc in the penalty area and he certainly as an eye for goal.
  • Jac_52 said:
    We have our own kid that has scored 2 in 122 mins of football
    Yeah, but people don’t want to play our kids as they don’t have enough experience. I can’t imagine the whining we would have heard if we got a Spurs 18 year old on a loan. 
  • Southbank said:
    Clayden looks more effective as a winger than Kirk. Once Sessignon/Egbo are back I would kick Kirk out and put Clayden on the wing.
    Clayden instead of CBT? Claydon would make a decent option on the bench when we have our injured players back.
  • edited September 2022
    Yeah, but people don’t want to play our kids as they don’t have enough experience. I can’t imagine the whining we would have heard if we got a Spurs 18 year old on a loan. 
    It isn't that, you play them according to how ready they are. An 18 year old can absolutely be ready or may need a bit more nuturing. It just is what it is. I would imagine the coaches think say Kanu has to develop other areas of his game more to be effective and if that is the case, playing him other than a sub cameo here and there would not be sensible at this stage. Leaburn is effective in the role he is playing but has looked lost when leading the line. Maybe the formation has to be looked at - horses for courses and all that.

    We all do it, but the players on the bench or not in the squad or in somebody else's squad are usually better when the first team is not performing.
  • Southbank said:
    Clayden looks more effective as a winger than Kirk. Once Sessignon/Egbo are back I would kick Kirk out and put Clayden on the wing.
    Clayden is certainly more dynamic than Kirk.  I think Kirk has skill but is a luxury player and we have another in Fraser.  Two of that type of player in the same team is going to kill you dead when you are playing strong sides like Bolton. Personally I would play Fraser and make sure I have a strong dynamic players to balance it.   
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  • I think CBT and JRS will both start in the wide positions when Corey is back fit
    I think it depends who we are up against. Against a weaker team that might sit back and let us have the ball I’d rather have Kirk but against better teams or most away games where there will be more space in behind and need to counter then I’d go with CBT
  • He's hardly likely to say 'yes it fell through as we tried to shaft him and he wasn't having it'
  • I do agree with you on this and in fairness to Garner the realisation that he has been left with out the players he likely expected is fresh.  Going forward though he needs to find a solution between now and January even if it means changing or tweaking the system.  Else this is likely to unfold as it did under the previous 2 managers.

      
    Not much tweaking or changing of system if :

    You only have 2 fit "strikers"

    The other "forwards / "wingers" aren't that great at scoring. Out of Kirk,CBT,DJ & JRS only JRS looks like he can finish. The other snatch at shots & usually hit them wide or over the bar.

    Out of the midfielders only Fraser has scored. Payne looks like he could chip in with a few but currently he hasnt shown it. 

    Therefore, as has been said countless times on here (and there is even a thread about where are the goals going to come from) it doesnt really matter if we played 433, 442 or 352 we still dont have enough players who can score enough goals to get us promoted. 
  • cabbles said:
    I must admit, when I saw those comments from @sage, I was quite glad.  He knows his onions and generally I consider him to be quite patient and positive when it comes to the playing side of things, but it’s a bit of a wake up call imo 
    Have to say I think there's been a fair few who I would call positive/optimistic who just recently seem to be getting "slightly" critical.
  • Clayden is certainly more dynamic than Kirk.  I think Kirk has skill but is a luxury player and we have another in Fraser.  Two of that type of player in the same team is going to kill you dead when you are playing strong sides like Bolton. Personally I would play Fraser and make sure I have a strong dynamic players to balance it.   
    Would disagree, kirk certainly has dynamism, its consistency and strength that are in question, having seen anything from clayden dynamic except being a good athlete
  • Kirk has dynamism? He has a great right foot. That is pretty much that.
  • Leuth said:
    Kirk has dynamism? He has a great right foot. That is pretty much that.

    All phenomena can be explained as manifestations of Kirk's right foot.
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  • I think Kirk needs to have the ‘free’ role similar to what Foden has had at city where he’s free to roam from out wide to create. Sadly that’s for teams much better than us. 
  • edited September 2022
    Kirk is like Darren Ambrose was for us (only even less good). He does something encouraging just often enough to prolong the hope in those who are inclined to cling onto the idea he will one day come good and deliver consistently. In the meantime, he has the rest of us wondering is he's even playing most of the time. 
  • Not much tweaking or changing of system if :

    You only have 2 fit "strikers"

    The other "forwards / "wingers" aren't that great at scoring. Out of Kirk,CBT,DJ & JRS only JRS looks like he can finish. The other snatch at shots & usually hit them wide or over the bar.

    Out of the midfielders only Fraser has scored. Payne looks like he could chip in with a few but currently he hasnt shown it. 

    Therefore, as has been said countless times on here (and there is even a thread about where are the goals going to come from) it doesnt really matter if we played 433, 442 or 352 we still dont have enough players who can score enough goals to get us promoted. 
    I agree that we don't have enough strikers to get promoted as it stands.

    However rather than just give up and throw in the towel to another mid table season Garner needs to find some solutions to try and stay in touch with the play off positions.

    You have mentioned countless times of a quick striker to play up top, so there is no reason not to play 2 strikers. JRS seems to have the attributes to play off of Stockley additionally ML should be able to in a different way and has CBT ever been used in this way by us.  It will come down to trial or error.

    There has been a number of times that a mid table team go on a run after January and make the play offs.  

    You would hope come January the problem can be addressed.     
  • Kirk is like Darren Ambrose was for us (only even less good). He does something encouraging just often enough to prolong the hope in those who are inclined to cling onto the idea he will one day come good and deliver consistently. In the meantime, he has the rest of us wondering is he's even playing most of the time. 
    This is a great comparison, Ambrose used to drive me bonkers. Kirk is definitely of the same ilk, lasy and ineffective.
    Ambrose only used to try when his contract was nearly up. Quite often it was like playing with 10 men 
    Then he went to Palace and basically kept them in the Championship with his goals !!  
  • Fits our MO!  We'll have him long term injured by November.  Looking forward to Tommy boy's welcoming statement...

    "It is great to welcome Terrel to club, we have been working on this for a number of afternoons.  He has two legs and a head on him, he was shit at Crewe, pony at Reading and was laughed out of the door at Portsmouth". Kerrrangh!!!
    Three & a half year deal apparently.
  • Three & a half year deal apparently.
    I heard it a deal for half of this year and half of next year (not sure if this means half of every day in each year or half of each week in each year).
  • There seems to be a lot of chat about Clare , who personally I think is an excellent player and rumours of championship clubs being interested but our problem is left back , we have tried to make Clayden into a full back who was a winger - he was at fault for the first 2 goals on Saturday - watch the highlights carefully - he is still young but he is not a full back and the goals are coming down that side - we need to sort that out first - it’s great having a left back who can get forward but he needs to be a defender first
    That's the whole point, he isn't a left back, he's being forced to play there because we haven't any cover for the bloke signed to play LB who's now injured. Clubs are going to target him, don't blame Clayden, ask sandgaard why we haven't got cover at LB.
  • masicat said:
    My source sticks by this and says that Bonne told him QPR tried to shaft him and he refused. I stick by my comments ..
    You don't need to justify your comments, nobody believes a word from Ronnie Moore unless it appeared in the Plymouth Herald first.
  • I actually think Kirk's movement off the ball is pretty good when we're in possession. He makes intelligent movements/runs a lot of the time to create space or receive a pass which often doesn't come. What he doesn't do is run in behind a full back, which is why he works better with a Clayden type player who does do that although that comes with its own problems.

    If we're keeping possession in the opponent's half a lot, as is the plan, he would be key to creating chances. At the moment we are playing so deep and finding it hard to move up the pitch to control games so he's is struggling to impose himself, although I'd still argue he makes things happen when we do give him the ball as he is probably our most positive player in possession. I'd like to see Fraser move to the left of the 3 midfielders as I feel him and Kirk link up very well.
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