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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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The new pricing structure obviously wasn't real, but the fact someone Uptop thinks being flippant is funny while fans are pissed off.. Shows just how clueless they all all.0
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Calling fellow supporters bellends.
Stay classy.0 -
Very well summarised Red. Agree 100%1
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How much does he want for us mate (asking for a friend)oohaahmortimer said:Can’t wait for the next bellend to come in and own us and everyone drops to their knees and gobbles them off
and when Airman questions our next saviour the same fellatio crew will be there cupping the new owners balls and merrily stroking them at the same time as slagging off airman and whoever else dares question the next complete nutbag on the block2 -
Leuth said:Expecting promotion with this season's Wednesday and Ipswich in the league is a long, long shot tbf. But we need signs that something is being built. It feels to me like something is, albeit imperfectly, on the football front. Nonsense from directors and high ticket prices really don't help, and nor does the fact there's less money than we thought, resulting in a slightly undercooked squad and various otherwise-inexplicable staff redundancies, but neither does impatience from, tbf, a long-abused fanbase - if promotion is your measure of success, I recommend supporting someone else. At least this season.
The most important thing to remember is that financially, all of football is fucked. There is no way to prosper without loss. It is a doped, exclusive rich man's plaything. A private member's club. And unless we sate the whim of a potentate, we are locked out, at least from the top table. But frankly, what glory is there in buying the league?
Quality players and record points is pretty glorious.4 -
You think football in 2011 is equivalent to now? You think we could do that again with the equivalent budget?CL_Phantom said:Leuth said:Expecting promotion with this season's Wednesday and Ipswich in the league is a long, long shot tbf. But we need signs that something is being built. It feels to me like something is, albeit imperfectly, on the football front. Nonsense from directors and high ticket prices really don't help, and nor does the fact there's less money than we thought, resulting in a slightly undercooked squad and various otherwise-inexplicable staff redundancies, but neither does impatience from, tbf, a long-abused fanbase - if promotion is your measure of success, I recommend supporting someone else. At least this season.
The most important thing to remember is that financially, all of football is fucked. There is no way to prosper without loss. It is a doped, exclusive rich man's plaything. A private member's club. And unless we sate the whim of a potentate, we are locked out, at least from the top table. But frankly, what glory is there in buying the league?
Quality players and record points is pretty glorious.0 -
The thing is, the problems we currently have are not terminal ones or unrecoverable, it just needs an honest acceptance that the strategy, structure and decision making is proving unsuccessful, needs ripping up and starting again.But that would involve Sandgaard and his partner accepting they’ve been front and centre in these failings, and critical to a wholesale change in approach. And I’m just not sure he’s got that humbleness in him to accept that.
worth remembering that a couple of quick wins and everything becomes positive again. But if the on pitch malaise and off pitch disharmony continues then I’m confident that Sandgaard won’t hang around. He’s not like Roland in that sense and won’t be able to deal with the stick him & his missus will face the same way Roland & Katrien doubled down on, particularly with no real assets in play.What comes next though will be yet another big unknown and not guaranteed to be positive.34 -
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Leuth said:
You think football in 2011 is equivalent to now? You think we could do that again with the equivalent budget?CL_Phantom said:Leuth said:Expecting promotion with this season's Wednesday and Ipswich in the league is a long, long shot tbf. But we need signs that something is being built. It feels to me like something is, albeit imperfectly, on the football front. Nonsense from directors and high ticket prices really don't help, and nor does the fact there's less money than we thought, resulting in a slightly undercooked squad and various otherwise-inexplicable staff redundancies, but neither does impatience from, tbf, a long-abused fanbase - if promotion is your measure of success, I recommend supporting someone else. At least this season.
The most important thing to remember is that financially, all of football is fucked. There is no way to prosper without loss. It is a doped, exclusive rich man's plaything. A private member's club. And unless we sate the whim of a potentate, we are locked out, at least from the top table. But frankly, what glory is there in buying the league?
Quality players and record points is pretty glorious.
Nope. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be glorious if we could.
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Who would want to own a football club?
There's only two basic types these days at the higher level - crooks and ego maniacs. (The third option of "local lads/fans made good" has largely disappeared from the higher levels of the game. You need to be a multi-billionaire - or a sovereign state - to play with the big boys.)
Over the past X years we seem to have just swapped one type for the other. Next up is the crooks turn to have another go, in case you haven't been paying attention.
So, unfortunately, the sad question for the modern football fan is a stark choice between the two options; do you want a dodgy owner who will potentially bankrupt the club with their shady dealings and sell the family silver on the way; or would you prefer an ego maniac who does things "their way" , makes some truly weird and unfathomable decisions, but ultimately is going t make sure the bills get paid.
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I may have missed it, but I think Morts was referring to some of our owners, past, present and future. Not that he was particularly complimentary about anyone on here who's openly backed TS and questioned those who doubted him though, that an ever decreasing population as time passes I might add.KBslittlesis said:Calling fellow supporters bellends.
Stay classy.1 -
TS saved us from the crooks.....we now need the next owner to save us from TS's cost cutting exercises........
Agree with most but we can't overlook the fact that we are still vulnerable to being "bought" by crooks as long as CAFC can be a £1 purchase with loans put onto the club.
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It was glorious then because we could and did. We didn't have a budget bigger than the other big-hitters but we blew the league away. We didn't buy the league.CL_Phantom said:Leuth said:
You think football in 2011 is equivalent to now? You think we could do that again with the equivalent budget?CL_Phantom said:Leuth said:Expecting promotion with this season's Wednesday and Ipswich in the league is a long, long shot tbf. But we need signs that something is being built. It feels to me like something is, albeit imperfectly, on the football front. Nonsense from directors and high ticket prices really don't help, and nor does the fact there's less money than we thought, resulting in a slightly undercooked squad and various otherwise-inexplicable staff redundancies, but neither does impatience from, tbf, a long-abused fanbase - if promotion is your measure of success, I recommend supporting someone else. At least this season.
The most important thing to remember is that financially, all of football is fucked. There is no way to prosper without loss. It is a doped, exclusive rich man's plaything. A private member's club. And unless we sate the whim of a potentate, we are locked out, at least from the top table. But frankly, what glory is there in buying the league?
Quality players and record points is pretty glorious.
Nope. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't be glorious if we could.
Once a few of the big-hitters are out of this league and Millwall are back in it, I can see us progressing again, perhaps even with current budgetary restrictions (if not quite to the extent we're seeing).2 -
Great Post. Echoes my thoughts exactly and saves me having to type them out!Redmidland said:I've mainly kept quiet on the TS ownership discussions over the last few months, Yes I will admit, quite readily, I was a supporter of TS when he took us over and saw a potentially 'rosy' future. I read some people wanted him out not long after he started, for whatever reason, and I argued that he needed time, his song didn't offend me and his 'Americanisms' I put down to where he lives and owns a successful business.
The rumours of him being 'skint' I put to one-side as just people who didn't like him just trying to gain some traction, in fact I thought if TS is 'skint' I wish I could be as 'skint' as him!
I felt optimism when he appointed Adkins, also the same with Roddy, Mumford and latterly Jokat. When Bowyer left I wasn't disappointed, in fact when JJ took over it was looking a very good turn of events.
Wanting to engage with the fans, after what had gone on before was a huge positive and I was feeling that at last we had an owner with good intentions and ambition.
So taking all the above into account....YES I was a supporter of his, even down to speaking with him on SM and him asking me to help him donate to one @Henry Irving causes (I think it was for Seb Lewis, but stand to be corrected on that).
However, things for me, then started to appear concerning. The continued employment of Keohone, the 'missed' opportunities in the recent transfer windows, the quick turnover of staff he appointed - Roddy, Mumford, Jokat leaving their respective roles and the appointment of his family to take on roles that none of them are qualified to do. (I'm one, by the way, that saw the benefit in letting JJ go, BUT not how it was done, that was disgraceful!!)
Then, more recently, the atrocious way that @Ollywozere was dismissed, coupled with a completely insane and quite clearly (after Tuesday's attendance) the new match day pricing structure. (You cant break even by increasing prices, when the product is poor, along with the service....anyone with a business brain knows that...look at Aldi as an example.....cut prices...give service...and get in good products!)
There are very worrying signs that his plan to cut costs so much that we will not be able to compete on the 'pitch' (another failed and cheap transfer window), coupled with a family outfit trying to run a UK football club with little to no experience of the 'nuances' of such an organisation off the pitch. Whilst I still don't subscribe to him being 'skint', he quite clearly doesn't have enough resources to make this club successful on or off the pitch and hence it is time for him to bow out.
I don't care how he bows out....he can hold his hands up and say he cant afford to keep giving his time to us, due to his commitments in the US, or he can say he has decided the cost is too much, but the time is up, in my opinion on his tenure. My thoughts would be thanks for 'saving' us, but the time is to handover the future of OUR club to someone with greater knowledge of running a UK football club.
When I was talking to TS way back before he finally bought us and all the crooks were trying to deflect him from getting us, we were ALL hoping he would win his court cases, he told me he was stubborn and wouldn't be beaten by ESI and Co. He proved to be true to his word and got what he wanted and to a sense, so did all of us.
However Thomas, if you or a member of your staff are reading this, its time to admit that this is NOT working, and let your stubbornness go, for the sake of CAFC (and your finances).
My final point, and I'm so sorry this is such a long post.....my concern is who will take us on.....the Belgian still has his grubby, aging hands on us.....we need an owner with intent, ambition (realistic), and of course enough monetary power to move us forward.....TS saved us from the crooks.....we now need the next owner to save us from TS's cost cutting exercises.6 -
If you did a Venn diagram I’d still expect the ‘local lads done good’ to overlap into at least one of the other two options!Off_it said:Who would want to own a football club?
There's only two basic types these days at the higher level - crooks and ego maniacs. (The third option of "local lads/fans made good" has largely disappeared from the higher levels of the game. You need to be a multi-billionaire - or a sovereign state - to play with the big boys.)6 -
You’re right, on all counts.swordfish said:
I may have missed it, but I think Morts was referring to some of our owners, past, present and future. Not that he was particularly complimentary about anyone on here who's openly backed TS and questioned those who doubted him though, that an ever decreasing population as time passes I might add.KBslittlesis said:Calling fellow supporters bellends.
Stay classy.
I won’t apologise as he was still insulting fellow supporters who just wanted to be happy for once.
And who can blame them.2 -
Here is a lesson for the idiot owner who doesn't undertsand football. Wrexham are in the National League. They have new owners which has filled the fans with optimism. They haven't been promoted but their gates have risen from around 3k to around 10k. Why is that? Because fans feel their club is on the up and being run well. That is how you do it, not blame the fans for your rubbish decisions that make supporting their club such a depressing experience.14
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For the record I was one of the fans tickling his nutsack when he arrived but obviously laughed at his claims of prem football or blowing the league away .
When respected fans question his way of doing things and he openly admits he wants people agreeing with him then the writing is on the wall .
You can have all the best intentions in the world but if you’re stubborn and clueless it’s more than likely to only end in tears (as predicted at the beginning by my miserable self )31 -
If I was rich enough to own us, I doubt I would be a rockstar owner but if I try to imagine I was and I wrote this great song, I wouldn't walk out on the pitch playing it on my guitar if I knew the deficiencies in the squad I was leading out. If I didn't I probably would soak up the glory - if I was that way inclined. It shows Sandgaards complete lack of football knowledge. It is when I started getting real doubts.0
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Problem is as we know, who would fancy taking us on and trying to wrestle the assets from RD plus chucking in quite a few bob to improve the squad so that we can properly compete. Suspect we could well be in for another round of being rinsed. Never ending this, why can't it just be about the football ......
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In the unlikely event that I won Euromillions and could buy the club and the Valley and training ground I would look at what’s left and know eventually the money will run out.
Unless.
Unless I cut costs to balance income.
If that meant sliding down the leagues would that be better than no club at all?1 -
I think RD more than willing to sell - he is now semi retired. His son is now running most of the business.. Here is what I think could happen. TS might cash in on a few players in the January, then look to sell/give away the club - next buyer will have to do a deal with RD.. Let's hope Barclay is still interested!red10 said:Problem is as we know, who would fancy taking us on and trying to wrestle the assets from RD plus chucking in quite a few bob to improve the squad so that we can properly compete. Suspect we could well be in for another round of being rinsed. Never ending this, why can't it just be about the football ......2 -
The logical endpoint of all of this is hoping that the Great Man, whoever he is, will deign to run us as his plaything. And I'd hope we had more dignity than waving our begging-bowls at the Barclays of the world2
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Sums things up pretty well
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True, but the days of your local scrap metal dealer buying the club he's supported since a boy are long gone, unless you drop way down or out of the leagues.AFKABartram said:
If you did a Venn diagram I’d still expect the ‘local lads done good’ to overlap into at least one of the other two options!Off_it said:Who would want to own a football club?
There's only two basic types these days at the higher level - crooks and ego maniacs. (The third option of "local lads/fans made good" has largely disappeared from the higher levels of the game. You need to be a multi-billionaire - or a sovereign state - to play with the big boys.)2 -
Rifkind's tweets remind of "leaked" Government memo's, where some dogshit policy is made public to test the reaction and quickly denied by Government if the public are too hostile.
Be interesting to see Sandguard's response, or will he just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
It could be argued those tweets basically take pig ignorance to stratospheric heights3 -
Tonight could be interesting - and if Thomas will attend! Ramp up the pressure tonight.Weegie Addick said:
Would be interesting to hear how our playing budget is the same as previous years.. Who out of our new signings are picking up bigger wages than the likes of Washington, Gunter and Watson.. They was all our top earners.
This is our smallest playing budget since the Curbs days I reckon.6 -
We definitely need to think long and hard about the clubs future.oohaahmortimer said:Can’t wait for the next bellend to come in and own us and everyone drops to their knees and gobbles them off
and when Airman questions our next saviour the same fellatio crew will be there cupping the new owners balls and merrily stroking them at the same time as slagging off airman and whoever else dares question the next complete nutbag on the block2 -
Also Tweets of someone who have had a privileged up bringing..Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:Rifkind's tweets remind of "leaked" Government memo's, where some dogshit policy is made public to test the reaction and quickly denied by Government if the public are too hostile.
Be interesting to see Sandguard's response, or will he just ignore it and pretend it didn't happen.
Those tweets basically take pig ignorance to stratospheric heights1
