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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)
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I wonder if TS thought there was no potential in Wigan, the rugby league town hanging on the edge of Greater Manchester and overshadowed not just by City and United but Liverpool and Everton too, rather than Wigan Athletic, the football club that recently managed a successful spell in the Premier League with sell-out crowds and which culminated in an FA Cup win.J BLOCK said:Remember TS looked at Wigan but they didn’t have enough potential.Now let’s look at the owner who bought them after TS said no and look at ours. No comparison, would take theirs every day of the week.
And I now wonder if Tommy Guitar overestimated the really rather weak local economy in our chunk of SE London, saw the riches of Canary Wharf over the river and thought he was onto something he could built up quickly by attracting an imaginary crowd of floating voters with plenty of disposable who’d love nothing more than a wet Tuesday night of League One football.
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Well he did comment on the possibility a long time ago but along the lines of "if we did bring in a CEO it would have to be somebody who thinks like I do & would act in the way I do" plus he doesn't listen to advice so what's the point ?supaclive said:If he could just employ a CEO with football experience. Just try it as the other options have not and are not working!5 -
Bang onblackpool72 said:Sandgaard has totally underestimated what it takes to get promoted.
I have zero sympathy for the egotistical prick as he refused to sign a CEO or listen to anyone prepared to give advice.
I now think he's looking to sell and the sooner the better.0 -
Whoever sent that is clearly a very well educated high flyer.
If that is all true then they are an expert in; immigration law, football transfer and recruitment policies, contracts of employment and job descriptions, broadcasting and intellectual property rights, marketing, GDPR and privacy/human rights laws - oh, and tittle tattle!
I've been working in my field for 30+ years and I haven't even begun to acquire the mastery this person clearly has over so many complex areas. Very impressive.19 -
And a budget that is bigger than last season despite offloading Gunter, Watson etc etc. We must be paying these league two signings Championship wages.cabbles said:Top 4 budget apparently. Yet we signed 3 free transfers from Swindon, 1 from Rochdale, 1 from Lincoln, 2 loans and one of out of contract last playing for Crewe? If that’s a top 4 budget then I’ve grossly over estimated the money swimming around in football3 -
something is rotten in the state of Denmark1
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Glean what afflicts him.0
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Latest on Twitter: Garner doesn’t actually have COVID, he’s just pissed off and trying to force his way out.31
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Latest on Twitter: “Fraudgaard”. Wonder if it’ll replace “Skintgaard”.1
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I've got two boys. I tried my best to get my eldest involved in following us. It was a struggle. This was in the midst of the early Duchatelet years.
I could barely watch myself so getting a young boy to persevere was nigh on impossible and I've pretty much lost him to the huge pull of the premier League I'm ashamed to say.
I promised myself that I'd push Charlton on my second son with more vigour. And it worked. He loved going and we got the feel of Bowyer really building something. We went when we could and the playoff final blew him away. I even got my eldest taking more of an interest.
Fast forward to now. I've got that sinking feeling again. It's a real struggle and my youngest is waivering. He loves his football. As does his brother. They both play on Sundays. I tried to get them to watch yesterday. They lasted minutes.
I sold it as a chance to watch a professional outfit and how they handle the ball and position themselves.I can't even use our performances as a form of training exercise. This group of players do so much of the basic stuff wrong. It's pitiful to watch.
I don't know what is happening to this football club, but it appears to be going down the tubes at a fair old whack. No urgency or pride. No plan.
Whatever it is it's losing its potential audience at an alarming rate. Something needs to change.
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Prefer Wankpuffin myself.Scoham said:Latest on Twitter: “Fraudgaard”. Wonder if it’ll replace “Skintgaard”.5 -
One key thing to remember is, the world is now in a depression and the loaded oligarchs and the likes are feeling the squeeze. The only ones still in the black are likely to be the kind of owner we don't want (on moral grounds), thus we are reliant on an honest businessman made good, giving it a go.
Has Thomas bitten off more than he can chew? It certainly looks like it, but our slump began before him and there is no guarantee that a new broom would bring prompt success. Better the devil you know, as they say, perhaps Thomas isn't the devil, more just misguided, misinformed and lacking the physical and financial resources to compete with the bigger And smaller, better run and funded clubs.
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A Scotch '90s Tory MPValleyGary said:One question, who the fuck is Leo Rifkind?2 -
The main thing that worries me most, is that should TS want to get out now, there's a good chance he'll want he's money back and, going by the rumoured £8m a year losses, that's gonna be approx £16m.
That would mean that the Club AND the assets will each be owned by a stubborn ****, who wont budge an inch on their respective ridiculous price tags.1 -
Sandgaard will continue to lose money though.Gribbo said:The main thing that worries me most, is that should TS want to get out now, there's a good chance he'll want he's money back and, going by the rumoured £8m a year losses, that's gonna be approx £16m.
That would mean that the Club AND the assets will each be owned by a stubborn ****, who wont budge an inch on their respective ridiculous price tags.8 -
Exactly, he's asking price will only ever go one way ⬆️Airman Brown said:
Sandgaard will continue to lose money though.Gribbo said:The main thing that worries me most, is that should TS want to get out now, there's a good chance he'll want he's money back and, going by the rumoured £8m a year losses, that's gonna be approx £16m.
That would mean that the Club AND the assets will each be owned by a stubborn ****, who wont budge an inch on their respective ridiculous price tags.0 -
His asking price...sorry a personal gripe...Gribbo said:
Exactly, he's asking price will only ever go one way ⬆️Airman Brown said:
Sandgaard will continue to lose money though.Gribbo said:The main thing that worries me most, is that should TS want to get out now, there's a good chance he'll want he's money back and, going by the rumoured £8m a year losses, that's gonna be approx £16m.
That would mean that the Club AND the assets will each be owned by a stubborn ****, who wont budge an inch on their respective ridiculous price tags.5 -
If his asking price goes up by around 8m a year it will soon be like Duchatelet's mad valuation of The Valley. And he will lose another 8m standing still while no one buys the club2
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No need to apologise. It's mine tooCafcWest said:
His asking price...sorry a personal gripe...Gribbo said:
Exactly, he's asking price will only ever go one way ⬆️Airman Brown said:
Sandgaard will continue to lose money though.Gribbo said:The main thing that worries me most, is that should TS want to get out now, there's a good chance he'll want he's money back and, going by the rumoured £8m a year losses, that's gonna be approx £16m.
That would mean that the Club AND the assets will each be owned by a stubborn ****, who wont budge an inch on their respective ridiculous price tags.2 -
Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.0
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This is TS the extreme optimist though. Probably thinking we're only 3 points off the playoffs and might get a bidding war for Leaburn in January.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.0 -
Of course there's something we can do. A Delia Smith style shaart aaart rant message to any prospective new owners out there would be a start. "We need a new owner here. Where are you? Where are you? Let's be havin' you. Come on!"
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£8m losses a year over 2 years is £16m.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.0 -
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Lots of chat and thoughts about TS and his plans or not to sell, also about his supposed lack of cash or expertise in running our great club, I keep recalling talk from one of the original snakes trying to run us into the ground, maybe Fartsmell or possibly it was Elliot, but they kept saying that "Thomas has no money" or words to that effect, and all will become clear... well I certainly scoffed as I would think the rest of us did....well, here we are now...
Don't know the inner thinking of Thomas or the gang, but we either need some change at the top, or a quick change of direction to where we are heading and it ain't up at the moment..2 -
These are operating losses, which are recurring but they don’t include transfer dealings. Sandgaard says he has spent £20m which presumably includes what he spent to acquire the club, but he’s likely to have made a profit on transfers. It is conceivable he’s regarding that as money he’s put in too, but it’s impossible to say.Gribbo said:
£8m losses a year over 2 years is £16m.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.
in any event, the point is that he has to find the extra money if he remains owner. He can ask what he likes of a purchaser but in the meantime he has to cover the losses one way or another. He isn’t going to break even by cutting costs or increasing revenue.11 -
So, local crook done good it is then. Perhaps we should scan the Belmarsh release lists for potential owners. Or failing that do a trawl of the local estate agents.AFKABartram said:
If you did a Venn diagram I’d still expect the ‘local lads done good’ to overlap into at least one of the other two options!Off_it said:Who would want to own a football club?
There's only two basic types these days at the higher level - crooks and ego maniacs. (The third option of "local lads/fans made good" has largely disappeared from the higher levels of the game. You need to be a multi-billionaire - or a sovereign state - to play with the big boys.)
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Not forgetting that he’d have to write off the 12m in loans of course plus there’s still the other 7m owed to the former directors.MuttleyCAFC said:Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on.0 -
Can I interest anyone in an accountant that specialises in dentists?Stig said:
So, local crook done good it is then. Perhaps we should scan the Belmarsh release lists for potential owners. Or failing that do a trawl of the local estate agents.AFKABartram said:
If you did a Venn diagram I’d still expect the ‘local lads done good’ to overlap into at least one of the other two options!Off_it said:Who would want to own a football club?
There's only two basic types these days at the higher level - crooks and ego maniacs. (The third option of "local lads/fans made good" has largely disappeared from the higher levels of the game. You need to be a multi-billionaire - or a sovereign state - to play with the big boys.)9
