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Match (+post p15) Thread: Colchester Utd v Charlton | Papa Johns | Tue 4th Oct 2022 7:45pm
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Think Payne and Fraser were the only bright spots in the first half SaturdayBilly_Mix said:Hopefully Garner learned what little that game offered up
Clare is a better right of 3 central defenders than Lavelle or Inniss, if he's considering that shape, but a less good right back than Egbo or Sessegnon.
Morgan is a less bad option on the bench than Payne or McGrandles
Neither Payne or McGrandles are anywhere near the first team. Payne was awful Saturday & Tuesday. McGrandles has previously been awful and passed up the opportunity to stake a claim last night.
JFC is streets ahead of either, his continued omission from matchday squads is perverse. If that's for non footballing reasons as rumoured, then all concerned are woeful charlatans discrediting the club and the game.
Playing with no experienced strikers at all in the squad is a blatant public admission that you're totally disinterested in the result.4 -
All we are is a fuccing pub side I think will be playing bromley next season the way things are going0
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He's so used to missing he didn't know what to do.grumpyaddick said:Just watched the highlights and the only thing of note was that Morgan's goal celebration was so muted and miserable he looks like he's scored an own goal.9 -
"Wow! I didn't blast it 20 yards over the crossbar... what do I do now?"golfaddick said:
He's so used to missing he didn't know what to do.grumpyaddick said:Just watched the highlights and the only thing of note was that Morgan's goal celebration was so muted and miserable he looks like he's scored an own goal.0 -
If we're continuing down the 4-3-3 route, I think the solution moving forward has to be a starting midfield and forward six of
Kirk/Rak-Sakyi + Stockley + Leaburn
Fraser + Dobson + Clare
This is almost a more attacking version of what Curbs/Powell used to do with their 4-4-2: three traditional centre mids with one playing a bit wider, two centre forwards and a tricky/intelligent wing player supporting them. Leaburn is not yet experienced enough to play alone through the middle for 90 mins but clearly remains our biggest goal threat when he is on the field. Giving opposition defenders two big blokes to worry about is going to do us a lot of good.
It also allows us to play in Garner's preferred shape while hopefully winning more territory battles. Keeping the ball at the right end of the pitch is going to be the best way of protecting fragile centre backs. Which by the way, hopefully we're seeing a pairing of O'Connell and Thomas flanked by Sessegnon and Egbo soon.
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To be fair, we all no doubt reacted the same waygolfaddick said:
He's so used to missing he didn't know what to do.grumpyaddick said:Just watched the highlights and the only thing of note was that Morgan's goal celebration was so muted and miserable he looks like he's scored an own goal.
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If you look at the career goalscoring records of our players it is puzzling why we are so poor in the fina..............Oh wait a minute! I was looking at the wrong records!1
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Point of order!MuttleyCAFC said:If you look at the career goalscoring records of our players it is puzzling why we are so poor in the fina..............Oh wait a minute! I was looking at the wrong records!
I'm sure I read on here that on average Aneke scores a goal every 16 minutes he's on the pitch. So by my reckoning he should have at least ......... oh, hang on. As you were.1 -
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Point of order!MuttleyCAFC said:If you look at the career goalscoring records of our players it is puzzling why we are so poor in the fina..............Oh wait a minute! I was looking at the wrong records!
I'm sure I read on here that on average Aneke scores a goal every 16 months he's on the pitch. So by my reckoning he should have at least ......... oh, hang on. As you were.
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Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.5
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Think Scott Marshall was in charge of the game, rather than Garner.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.1 -
Garner spent all the game standing in the 'technical area' shouting instructions to the players,ForeverAddickted said:
Think Scott Marshall was in charge of the game, rather than Garner.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
he was in charge.
I was there, about 15 yards away from him.7 -
Harsh.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.1 -
Stewie Garner was definitely directing play from the sidelines....either that or Marshall was wearing a bald wig for the game.ForeverAddickted said:
Think Scott Marshall was in charge of the game, rather than Garner.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.3 -
It's really not.JamesSeed said:
Harsh.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
I watched that second half in disbelief. A muddled tactical change at half time put the team on the back foot. We then produced next to nothing for 45 mins (penalty excepted) and ended up for the last 20 minutes under seige from Colchester - a team 22nd in League 2 that has only won one league game all year.
I'm sick to death of watching displays like that. Maybe it's not Garners fault and the players are just a bunch of wasters but something was seriously wrong during the second half.8 -
I didn’t say we played well in the second half, I said to call Garner ‘useless’ is harsh.Fortune 82nd Minute said:
It's really not.JamesSeed said:
Harsh.Rob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
I watched that second half in disbelief. A muddled tactical change at half time put the team on the back foot. We then produced next to nothing for 45 mins (penalty excepted) and ended up for the last 20 minutes under seige from Colchester - a team 22nd in League 2 that has only won one league game all year.
I'm sick to death of watching displays like that. Maybe it's not Garners fault and the players are just a bunch of wasters but something was seriously wrong during the second half.6 -
I think Garner is anything but useless.
He hooked a player that wasn't putting in effort and put one in that does put in effort. I think he made the wrong sub though. Clayden should have replaced Clare and move Chin to RB and Clayden LB.
Clayden should have been fine against L2 opposition there and needs exposure to being a LB if that's what we now see his position as.4 -
Spot on.Dazzler21 said:I think Garner is anything but useless.
He hooked a player that wasn't putting in effort and put one in that does put in effort. I think he made the wrong sub though. Clayden should have replaced Clare and move Chin to RB and Clayden LB.
Clayden should have been fine against L2 opposition there and needs exposure to being a LB if that's what we now see his position as.0 -
I remember about the time that Garner arrived a Swindon fan told us that we would be watching about 90% boring play and 10% excitement with goals, he got the 90% right but of course you need an effective striker for goals1
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Whether or not he’s useless is open to question. But, his style of play is soooo boring. And, yes, unless Marshall has a bald shiny head that was Garner directing play.1
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I don't find it boring to be honest, results aside!lancashire lad said:I remember about the time that Garner arrived a Swindon fan told us that we would be watching about 90% boring play and 10% excitement with goals, he got the 90% right but of course you need an effective striker for goals4 -
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.1 -
Calling DJ a striker in itself is pretty generous when looking at his scoring recordLeuth said:
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.5 -
I honestly never knew this many people cared so much about a pointless competition.Leuth said:
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.2 -
The disgruntlement is less about the competition than about the bumbling bald bonehead responsible for the tacticscolthe3rd said:
I honestly never knew this many people cared so much about a pointless competition.Leuth said:
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
Against a side 30 places below us in the leagues, also playing its 2nd string, his interventions made things worse, plan A faltered and he brought nothing.1 -
Not sure I get how this 'Plan A' criticism is still getting levelled at him... How many formations as he tried now, 4-5? He's changed formation in the middle of the past two matches. He started with a false 9. The guy is not inflexible.Billy_Mix said:
The disgruntlement is less about the competition than about the bumbling bald bonehead responsible for the tacticscolthe3rd said:
I honestly never knew this many people cared so much about a pointless competition.Leuth said:
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
Against a side 30 places below us in the leagues, also playing its 2nd string, his interventions made things worse, plan A faltered and he brought nothing.0 -
''I honestly never knew this many people cared so much about a pointless competition.''
Quote from previous comment. Totally agree competition is pointless. But surely some sort of win
may raise supporters morale slightly. Last game I enjoyed watching Charlton was against Plymouth
last season. Ben Purrington scored - a player badly missed in my opinion, not great but left footed
and better than the present mob! Best system in football - score more than the opponents.
Defence don't concede - not rocket science!1 -
It’s like having dejavu all over again, Billy. We’re becoming a managers’ graveyard.Billy_Mix said:
The disgruntlement is less about the competition than about the bumbling bald bonehead responsible for the tacticscolthe3rd said:
I honestly never knew this many people cared so much about a pointless competition.Leuth said:
It's our ressies in the Pizza Cup for fuck's sake, and our striker got injured after 40 minutesRob said:Two people to blame. Sandgaard, of course, but Garner is awful. 2nd half we were awful. Never tested the goalie except for the penalty. All this ultra negative play. Garner, wake up and let’s get some creativity into this team. There’s no way we should have lost that. Your tactics blew the game for us, as has become more apparent in the last few games. Garnerball my arse. You’re useless.
Against a side 30 places below us in the leagues, also playing its 2nd string, his interventions made things worse, plan A faltered and he brought nothing.Apart from Karl Robinson who’s doing ok now?Russell Slade - Not managingKarl Robinson - At Oxford
Lee Bowyer - Taking a break
Johnnie Jackson - Struggling in L2
Nigel Adkins - Not managingPersonally I don’t blame Garner for our current plight. Not saying he’s perfect, or that he hasn’t made mistakes, but it’s clear we badly need strengthening at CB, LB and striker, and personally I think we need some steel in midfield. Were that to happen in January then we might start making progress.
Unfortunately I’d be surprised if we sign more than one player. Main thing is to pick up as many points as we can before January, to keep us within reach of the playoffs, if possible. Perhaps TS will have a change of heart, and loosen the purse strings.1 -
This was potentially a useful game to get the team back on track. Garner coud have tried a few things based around the first team for 60 minutes or so. I don't care about the result but we are in need of this or is it better to experiment tactically in league games like Oxford and Accrington?2
