Garner Gawn? (Ed. CORRECT - GARNER SACKED p6, and again by Colchester p32)

northstandsteve said:

seth plum said:

Hang on a minute, there was an auction for golf with Garner at the Gala Dinner last Thursday, if he goes what happens with that eh?

That was me who bid and won and I have told them I am not interested, they offered me the chance to play with two CAFC legends or new management team, and I have told them I have no interest whilst TS is at the helm of the club.

northstandsteve said:

Hadn't paid they emailed me yesterday asking for me to make payment, the cyncical side of me sys they emailed me wanting to pay the money before it was announced, anyway glad I hadn't departed with the money.

DubaiCAFC said:

soapboxsam said:

DubaiCAFC said:

I am actually more pissed off about this sacking than the Jackson one. It was clear from the start Jackson wasn't what TS wanted, and to be honest, the football was awful. 

All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.  

At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy! 

Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!

I must've been lucky the home games I went to under JJ because we won 7 of the 9 games including 7 clean sheets in 21/22 league and prior to that the two home games under Nigel Adkins where we were bereft and lost. Third tier football we are in not Champions fucking league despite the crazy talk of Thomas Sandgaard with his 5 year plan that had zero chance of coming to fruition. 

Johnnie took the "worse squad in living memory" from 22nd to 11th before we hit the ceiling as we didn't have the quality or fitness to see out a season or a balanced squad to just play one system. 13th summed up where we were under TS and Ipswich away on the last day was the result of issues off the field with the insecurities of pro football where so many players were trying to sort out contracts plus JJ probably knew he was going as 8th place hadn't been reached.

Ben Garner who as the insightful have worked out did everything over the last few weeks to get the sack and a payout on his 3 year contract. Failed to win football matches, played JFC and put out a team at home without one striker in the starting 11!
The gamble of playing two youngsters at the back ironically was ok where Inniss was the culprit for cockups.

Play Casey and Kanu* who are goal scoring strikers not two wingers in DJ and Rak Sakyi who looked like fish out of water in the central positions.

Ben Garner will have to go back to League 2 or national League to play possession football but he made a mistake leaving Swindon for the poison chalice of Charlton  where the club and fans are so damaged after the last 15 years or so. The odd decent season and promotion but only ever temporary in the never ending shambles of Cafc.

*Garner played 17 year old Mitchell at the back so why not 18 year old striker Daniel Kanu who is a bone fide striker ?

Mitchell hasn't looked out of place in the little minutes he has played, whereas Kanu has looked miles off it.. Think maybe a bit too much hype around him! 

supaclive said:

https://www.castrust.org/2022/12/ben-garners-dismissal-on-5th-december/

Oggy Red said:

DubaiCAFC said:

soapboxsam said:

DubaiCAFC said:

I am actually more pissed off about this sacking than the Jackson one. It was clear from the start Jackson wasn't what TS wanted, and to be honest, the football was awful. 

All though results have not been the best, I think we was heading in the right direction in terms of football and style, but Garner was let down badly in terms of recruitment. Once he started going public about the lack of support it was never going to end well. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a break in the contract if we dropped below a certain position in the table, hence the sacking now.  

At the moment, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel, it feels like TS is going out of his way to create a war with the fans. Who will come to Charlton in it's current state? False promises, a squad low on confidence, and owner who is trigger happy! 

Unless a takeover happens quick, we are in deep shit!

I must've been lucky the home games I went to under JJ because we won 7 of the 9 games including 7 clean sheets in 21/22 league and prior to that the two home games under Nigel Adkins where we were bereft and lost. Third tier football we are in not Champions fucking league despite the crazy talk of Thomas Sandgaard with his 5 year plan that had zero chance of coming to fruition. 

Johnnie took the "worse squad in living memory" from 22nd to 11th before we hit the ceiling as we didn't have the quality or fitness to see out a season or a balanced squad to just play one system. 13th summed up where we were under TS and Ipswich away on the last day was the result of issues off the field with the insecurities of pro football where so many players were trying to sort out contracts plus JJ probably knew he was going as 8th place hadn't been reached.

Ben Garner who as the insightful have worked out did everything over the last few weeks to get the sack and a payout on his 3 year contract. Failed to win football matches, played JFC and put out a team at home without one striker in the starting 11!
The gamble of playing two youngsters at the back ironically was ok where Inniss was the culprit for cockups.

Play Casey and Kanu* who are goal scoring strikers not two wingers in DJ and Rak Sakyi who looked like fish out of water in the central positions.

Ben Garner will have to go back to League 2 or national League to play possession football but he made a mistake leaving Swindon for the poison chalice of Charlton  where the club and fans are so damaged after the last 15 years or so. The odd decent season and promotion but only ever temporary in the never ending shambles of Cafc.

*Garner played 17 year old Mitchell at the back so why not 18 year old striker Daniel Kanu who is a bone fide striker ?

Mitchell hasn't looked out of place in the little minutes he has played, whereas Kanu has looked miles off it.. Think maybe a bit too much hype around him! 

We know that kids mature at different ages, physically, mentally, emotionally.
 
We saw with Shelvey and Gomez, Miles Leaburn and Mitchell too, that some lads are physically ahead of their peergroup.
They are ready to compete in senior mens' football.

I guess Kanu isn't quite there yet ...... but  he's highly rated by the coaching staff, so I'll trust their opinion.
If he's got the ability and the right attitude, he's likely to grab his chance when he's ready.

But no point playing and risk destroying him in the meantime.

KingKinsella said:

Garrymanilow said:

WK6824Nine said:

wouldn't call egbo or wollacot fourth division players. there are diamonds in the rough

I think all the 'we only brought in League 2 players' thing is a bit of an easy cop-out anyway to be honest. Wollacott and Egbo are good as you say, but O'Connell is a decent player and has spent more of his career in L1 than L2. Payne has clearly lost his way a bit (might help if he ever got a run in the team) but has spent the vast majority of his career in L1and was a clear standout for Swindon in L2 the one season he was there. We got two Premier League loans in. I'm not really willing to be drawn on McGrandles, he's had a horrible season with injuries and we've just not seen him enough. On the face of it though, signing a player who had just had two very good seasons for a L1 team is more or less what we should be doing

The bigger problem is we lost loads of players, replaced some of them but did nothing about the unsuited players we already had. Lavelle has been truly atrocious, Morgan has reverted to being Morgan, Stockley has scored one goal in open play. Kirk continues to do one good thing every 6 games, DJ has been injured but I somehow don't think he'd have saved us if he wasn't. We made signings to plug gaps but we're still requiring one of Inniss or Lavelle to play as a passing CB every week because we weren't willing to bring in enough signings to overhaul the whole team. We don't have a striker suited to playing the way we play and the only options are a disaster or a player whose fitness record is impossibly bad.

I'd actually rather have an entire squad of players signed from L2 that are suited to the way the team is trying to play than the mish-mash of nothing we currently have. We got Garner in telling him to get the team to play the most energy-sapping, technical way possible and gave him not even half a toolbox to do it with. I'd rather have Wollacott than Mac, Egbo than Gunter and Matthews, O'Connell than Famewo and JRS than Leko but it's meaningless when the overall set-up is broken. I don't hate the signings, I hate that there were nowhere near enough of them to compete

Despite the calamatous error by Mc Goalkeeper this w/e,(over a season he was better than average L1 GK)  Wollacot was an investment (time and money) we didn't actually need  when there were more urgent priorities in defence and attack. At the time it was thought to be an upgrade throughout the team but as it turned out it was one of few.

AndyG said:

I havent missed a game home or away either at the game or via the stream for years. After this that's it for me until the twat is gone and that is from someone who defended him but this is just plain stupid. I dread to think what the idiot is going to do next.