Summer Transfer Rumours - Deadline Day p446

cafc_se7 said:

Leuth said:

All of you giving DJ the boot...sure, he's not set SE7 alight at any stage, but if we're playing 3-5-2, doesn't it make sense to have someone knocking around who credibly covers both wing-back positions?

I seem to be in the minority with DJ which I can kind of understand why, but I actually think he did well in a wing back position when called upon. 

Not if you want a top 2 / 6 team. He’s not a wing back and unless there’s a crisis I wouldn’t want him there

My view on DJ and Kirk is that they are classic 442 wingers.  Both would look good with a proper full back behind them, both have the ability to come off the wing and join in the play, but neither have shown they are good enough as a wide forward in a 433 and neither have shown to be able to drop back to the wing back role in a 352.  

On the basis that I can't see us switching to a traditional 442 I would be inclined to get rid of both, albeit keeping Kirk until later in the window as a striker option until we have suitably reinforced in that area.

thenewbie said:

cafc_se7 said:

Leuth said:

All of you giving DJ the boot...sure, he's not set SE7 alight at any stage, but if we're playing 3-5-2, doesn't it make sense to have someone knocking around who credibly covers both wing-back positions?

I seem to be in the minority with DJ which I can kind of understand why, but I actually think he did well in a wing back position when called upon. 

I think DJ could be very effective in the right position for the right club/team. That said I'm not really sure we are that team nor does that position exist in the formation we seem to be favouring.

He's not good enough defensively to be wing back and we won't be playing much with wide forwards (where he probably would do quite well as a Henry/Rashford 'cutting in' attacker.)

That club is almost certainly in league two. I'm not even sure he did that well when he went to Wimbledon, certainly don't recall hearing much about him there.

cazo said:

Elthamaddick said:

roseandcrown said:

Redhenry said:

ProperCharlton said:

I'd sell McGrandles, DJ and maybe Kirk but he's played well in our friendlies. Would love to sell Chuks but can't see anyone taking him, so hopefully we can finally get his injury troubles sorted.

I hope we sign a RWB and a ST

The club would love to sell those three, but nobody will pay a fee for them, I bet we are struggling to get them away on frees!
We will probably have to pay a percentage of their salaries to lose them. I think we may decide to keep Kirk. IMHO

Can see us keeping Kirk until a forward comes in at least.

Kirk is one of our weakest players I’ve ever seen, so flimsy it’s unreal…clearly didn’t want to get hurt last night, bottled everything which looks even worse in pink f**king boots 

Spot on worse player in side get rid

Not a fan then?

Unless there’s an injury crisis I’d be using both off the bench in games where we’re winning comfortably. Drip feed them into the first team. We don’t want to pile pressure on either. 

sam3110 said:

FWIW 'Kirky' is loved by a lot of his peers in football.

I'm sure there's not that many true dickheads in football who isn't liked by most of their teammates, but he seems to have a good rapport within the squad and with ex teammates too, and is seen as a good person to have around the place.

I hope it works out for him here

Most certainly not always been the case. He may have grown up a bit but it was entirely different before.

I think people know my thoughts on Kirk and despite him scoring yesterday, we often look like we are playing with 10 men when he’s on the pitch. I think Millwall thought so too hence him coming in unmarked to make it 2-0 last night.

I’ve previously said my peace on this matter but I stand by that we won’t get promoted with Kirk in the team.

DJ, Kirk, Henry, Chin, and Kanu all need to be playing their football elsewhere this season. The latter 3 on loan, although I don’t think Chin will make it at this level.

With Taylor coming in and Anderson taking his chance, so pleased with that, it looks less likely McGrandles will be involved, especially as we have Payne who I think Holden much prefers.

There’s going to be movement and as long it’s in the areas that we know we need to shift, and we bring in at least one striker and another winger, I don’t think we’d be too far away.

For me it’s something like this…

Isted, AMB

Egbo, Asiimwe
Jones, Hector, Ness, Thomas, Elerewe, Mitchell
Edun, (New - Sess?)

Dobson, Camara, Fraser, Taylor, Payne, Anderson, (McGrandles?)

CBT, Campbell, (New?)

Leaburn, May, Aneke, (New?), (New - Can also play wide?)

Sage said:

I think people know my thoughts on Kirk and despite him scoring yesterday, we often look like we are playing with 10 men when he’s on the pitch. I think Millwall thought so too hence him coming in unmarked to make it 2-0 last night.

I’ve previously said my peace on this matter but I stand by that we won’t get promoted with Kirk in the team.

DJ, Kirk, Henry, Chin, and Kanu all need to be playing their football elsewhere this season. The latter 3 on loan, although I don’t think Chin will make it at this level.

With Taylor coming in and Anderson taking his chance, so pleased with that, it looks less likely McGrandles will be involved, especially as we have Payne who I think Holden much prefers.

There’s going to be movement and as long it’s in the areas that we know we need to shift, and we bring in at least one striker and another winger, I don’t think we’d be too far away.

For me it’s something like this…

Isted, AMB

Egbo, Asiimwe
Jones, Hector, Ness, Thomas, Elerewe, Mitchell
Edun, (New - Sess?)

Dobson, Camara, Fraser, Taylor, Payne, Anderson, (McGrandles?)

CBT, Campbell, (New?)

Leaburn, May, Aneke, (New?), (New - Can also play wide?)

Disagree about chin. Out of Kanu, Henry and him I'd say he has a higher chance of making it at this level unless he's played out of position as a left back.

Sage said:

I think people know my thoughts on Kirk and despite him scoring yesterday, we often look like we are playing with 10 men when he’s on the pitch. I think Millwall thought so too hence him coming in unmarked to make it 2-0 last night.

I’ve previously said my peace on this matter but I stand by that we won’t get promoted with Kirk in the team.

DJ, Kirk, Henry, Chin, and Kanu all need to be playing their football elsewhere this season. The latter 3 on loan, although I don’t think Chin will make it at this level.

With Taylor coming in and Anderson taking his chance, so pleased with that, it looks less likely McGrandles will be involved, especially as we have Payne who I think Holden much prefers.

There’s going to be movement and as long it’s in the areas that we know we need to shift, and we bring in at least one striker and another winger, I don’t think we’d be too far away.

For me it’s something like this…

Isted, AMB

Egbo, Asiimwe
Jones, Hector, Ness, Thomas, Elerewe, Mitchell
Edun, (New - Sess?)

Dobson, Camara, Fraser, Taylor, Payne, Anderson, (McGrandles?)

CBT, Campbell, (New?)

Leaburn, May, Aneke, (New?), (New - Can also play wide?)

Agreed on McGrandles, he hasn't featured prominently in pre-season, and he's been deployed in different midfield roles. But Anderson and Henry along with the others have gotten more minutes in roles they're better suited to than McGrandles, and it makes me think he won't be here September 1. I feel like it could be another loan with him in the hopes that he either increases his value, or finds form and comes back in January, but I suspect Holden is happy to move on from him. And agree that Holden clearly prefers Payne and feels Payne can do the things McGrandles can do, and more. I agree with him, though I feel like when Payne is played as an 8 we don't see the best of him. He can put in a shift, but I'm hoping that Camara and Taylor take on that role so Payne can focus more on being an attacking midfielder.

Agree about Chin, needs a loan and I don't think he'll make it at this level. Already said Kanu desperately needs a loan, and with the depth we have in midfield it should allow Henry to go out on loan for the first half, which he really needs.

I am holding out hopes for Sess. I think he would massively boost our FB options, can play on either side, and I'm hoping he had surgery over the summer to fix the knee issue that bothered him last season.

Two more up top would be great, including one who can play wide. I suspect at least one and maybe both will be loans. 

Sage said:

I think people know my thoughts on Kirk and despite him scoring yesterday, we often look like we are playing with 10 men when he’s on the pitch. I think Millwall thought so too hence him coming in unmarked to make it 2-0 last night.

I’ve previously said my peace on this matter but I stand by that we won’t get promoted with Kirk in the team.

DJ, Kirk, Henry, Chin, and Kanu all need to be playing their football elsewhere this season. The latter 3 on loan, although I don’t think Chin will make it at this level.

With Taylor coming in and Anderson taking his chance, so pleased with that, it looks less likely McGrandles will be involved, especially as we have Payne who I think Holden much prefers.

There’s going to be movement and as long it’s in the areas that we know we need to shift, and we bring in at least one striker and another winger, I don’t think we’d be too far away.

For me it’s something like this…

Isted, AMB

Egbo, Asiimwe
Jones, Hector, Ness, Thomas, Elerewe, Mitchell
Edun, (New - Sess?)

Dobson, Camara, Fraser, Taylor, Payne, Anderson, (McGrandles?)

CBT, Campbell, (New?)

Leaburn, May, Aneke, (New?), (New - Can also play wide?)

Isn't playing that many people against the rules?

Sage said:

sam3110 said:

FWIW 'Kirky' is loved by a lot of his peers in football.

I'm sure there's not that many true dickheads in football who isn't liked by most of their teammates, but he seems to have a good rapport within the squad and with ex teammates too, and is seen as a good person to have around the place.

I hope it works out for him here

Most certainly not always been the case. He may have grown up a bit but it was entirely different before.

I thought this. Am sure sure I had heard quite the opposite from the original post.

Bexleyheath_Addick said:

RC_CAFC said:

Sage said:

sam3110 said:

FWIW 'Kirky' is loved by a lot of his peers in football.

I'm sure there's not that many true dickheads in football who isn't liked by most of their teammates, but he seems to have a good rapport within the squad and with ex teammates too, and is seen as a good person to have around the place.

I hope it works out for him here

Most certainly not always been the case. He may have grown up a bit but it was entirely different before.

I thought this. Am sure sure I had heard quite the opposite from the original post.

Able to elaborate? Quite interested to hear more on this now

I think when Kirk first came in, whether due to his bereavement or whatever, he came across as quite standoffish with some teammates and didn't really integrate with the others too well.

From speaking to an ex teammate of his, they bigged him up as being a great influence off the field, always being in the middle of group activities and basically being mates with everyone and helping team bonding etc. 

I've heard from a couple of people that he's tried a lot harder recently to be less of the first paragraph and be more involved with bonding and all the other stuff that we don't really see as supporters, the comradery of the team day to day. Maybe it's too little too late, but I think there's been a bit of inner reflection going on recently with Kirk

Cawley saying Taylor is done

I don't bother looking at other forums, but surely other clubs are reading the above list and thinking "damn, that's a good bunch of recruits"