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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,886
    Both of England’s remaining matches are before the Scotland game against Australia so they target has to be to demolish both Namibia and Oman, get a better NRR than the Scots and then any Australia win is enough…
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    09 Jun 24 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, 2024 - Match 19
    Nassau County International Cricket Stadium, New York

    INDIA

    119 (19.0)

    PAKISTAN

    113/7 (20.0)
    India beat Pakistan by 6 runs



    T20I
    09 Jun 24 ICC Men's T20 World Cup, 2024 - Match 20
    Sir Vivian Richards Stadium, North Sound, Antigua

    OMAN

    150/7 (20.0)

    SCOTLAND

    153/3 (13.1)
    Scotland beat Oman by 7 wickets
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    SA 23-4 against Bangladesh
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,121
    Callumcafc said:
    Both of England’s remaining matches are before the Scotland game against Australia so they target has to be to demolish both Namibia and Oman, get a better NRR than the Scots and then any Australia win is enough…
    Let's be honest if we can't demolish both of them then we have no business being in the super 8 anyway.

    Does anyone with a reasonable knowledge of NRR calculations, know how much we need to beat both by to go above Scotland? Scotland demolished Oman in 13 overs yesterday but they only beat Namibia with 9 balls to spare.
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,722
    killerandflash said:
    A grim scenario where England NEED Australia to heavily beat Scotland, to bring down their NRR. Knowing Australia they'll push singles so that they only reach the winning total with an over to spare...
    That's before the rain factor
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,722
    killerandflash said:
    The whole "we want to bat second as we aren't sure how the pitch will play" decision forgets that the team bowling second also has the advantage of seeing how the pitch will play, and which balls will get smacked when they come to bowl.
    That still requires the captain recognising any of that and then those bowlers having the skills to deliver the goods and not just a tasty buffet of batter benevolence
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    The scores in New York to date (SA's innings against Bangladesh that has just concluded is the final one):

    77 AO
    96 AO
    137-7
    103-9
    119 AO
    113-6

    That isn't a fair contest between bat and ball any more than posting 250 in the IPL is.

  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    South Africa 113 for 6 after 20 overs
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    What's the chance of England winning their remaining two games by a mile to overtake Scotland. 

    And then the Koala botherers stitch us up.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,886
    blackpool72 said:
    What's the chance of England winning their remaining two games by a mile to overtake Scotland. 

    And then the Koala botherers stitch us up.
    The way Group A is going, if they lost to the Scots they’d go into a Super 8 group with India and if they beat them they could get a Super 8 group with USA (if USA beat Ireland in Florida).

    They’ll want to win the game and the group.

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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    Callumcafc said:
    blackpool72 said:
    What's the chance of England winning their remaining two games by a mile to overtake Scotland. 

    And then the Koala botherers stitch us up.
    The way Group A is going, if they lost to the Scots they’d go into a Super 8 group with India and if they beat them they could get a Super 8 group with USA (if USA beat Ireland in Florida).

    They’ll want to win the game and the group.
    Thanks for that Callum.
    Gives me a bit of hope. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,761
    Callumcafc said:
    blackpool72 said:
    What's the chance of England winning their remaining two games by a mile to overtake Scotland. 

    And then the Koala botherers stitch us up.
    The way Group A is going, if they lost to the Scots they’d go into a Super 8 group with India and if they beat them they could get a Super 8 group with USA (if USA beat Ireland in Florida).

    They’ll want to win the game and the group.
    Nothing to stop them winning slowly to help with Scotland’s NRR though 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,886
    edited June 2024
    fenaddick said:
    Callumcafc said:
    blackpool72 said:
    What's the chance of England winning their remaining two games by a mile to overtake Scotland. 

    And then the Koala botherers stitch us up.
    The way Group A is going, if they lost to the Scots they’d go into a Super 8 group with India and if they beat them they could get a Super 8 group with USA (if USA beat Ireland in Florida).

    They’ll want to win the game and the group.
    Nothing to stop them winning slowly to help with Scotland’s NRR though 
    Yeah that’s all predicated on us doing enough against Namibia and Oman to overtake the Scottish NRR before that game. Because you’re right I could definitely see them chasing down 130 in 19 overs just to spite us.

    As far as I know, Scotland can’t lose to Australia and improve their NRR so we’d have to demolish the other two teams and take NRR out of the equation before that game is played.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    ICC Men's T20 World Cup, 2024 - Match 21
    Nassau County International Cricket Stadium, New York

    SOUTH AFRICA

    113/6 (20.0)

    BANGLADESH

    109/7 (19.6)
    South Africa beat Bangladesh by 4 runs
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    edited June 2024
    SA win by 4 runs defending 113

    However, I have to feel sorry for Bangladesh. Yet again we have had a situation where a ball hits the pads and runs away for 4 runs but the batter is given out so the ball becomes "dead". He reviews and the decision is overruled and Bangladesh don't get those 4 runs. Why can't the Law be changed so the Umpire is not allowed to give his decision until the ball becomes dead? Any runs scored by a batsman given out will not then count but should the decision be changed then they will. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,032
    Addick Addict said:
    SA win by 4 runs defending 113

    However, I have to feel sorry for Bangladesh. Yet again we have had a situation where a ball hits the pads and runs away for 4 runs but the batter is given out so the ball becomes "dead". He reviews and the decision is overruled and Bangladesh don't get those 4 runs. Why can't the Law be changed so the Umpire is not allowed to give his decision until the ball becomes dead? Any runs scored by a batsman given out will not then count but should the decision be changed then they will. 
    A bit of an anomaly that. I guess it's to stop situations where the fielding team stop playing to celebrate and the batting team keep running, just in case it wasn't out!
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    edited June 2024
    killerandflash said:
    Addick Addict said:
    SA win by 4 runs defending 113

    However, I have to feel sorry for Bangladesh. Yet again we have had a situation where a ball hits the pads and runs away for 4 runs but the batter is given out so the ball becomes "dead". He reviews and the decision is overruled and Bangladesh don't get those 4 runs. Why can't the Law be changed so the Umpire is not allowed to give his decision until the ball becomes dead? Any runs scored by a batsman given out will not then count but should the decision be changed then they will. 
    A bit of an anomaly that. I guess it's to stop situations where the fielding team stop playing to celebrate and the batting team keep running, just in case it wasn't out!
    But if the fielding side knew the decision wasn't going to be made until such time as the ball became "dead" (i.e. when the batsmen stop running or there is a run out) then they wouldn't be celebrating and treat it as a normal opportunity for a run out. And any runs just wouldn't then count if, ultimately the batsman was LBW before and/or after the review as they are currently if a batsman is given "not out" on the field but "out" upon review. 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    Pakistan v Canada due to start at 15.30, Pakistan won the toss & will field.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    Canada 63 for 5 after 11 overs
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    Ridiculous scorecard - out of 73-5 off 13 overs, Johnson has 52*, there have been 10 extras and the other 6 batsmen have 11 between them!

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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    Addick Addict said:
    Ridiculous scorecard - out of 73-5 off 13 overs, Johnson has 52*, there have been 10 extras and the other 6 batsmen have 11 between them!
    You just got him out.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    blackpool72 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Ridiculous scorecard - out of 73-5 off 13 overs, Johnson has 52*, there have been 10 extras and the other 6 batsmen have 11 between them!
    You just got him out.
    It's a gift. Wait 'til Surrey play next!
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    Canada 106 for 7 after 20 overs
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,934
    New York scores:

    77 AO
    96 AO
    137-7
    103-9
    119 AO
    113-6
    106-7

    The commentators will not make as big an issue as they should about this pitch simply because doing so would undermine the sport in a country that the broadcasters need to promote. It is dire stuff. I believe that there is only one more game there but, should the USA beat India in that one, I think there will be more than the odd comment made about whether a WC should be staged on drop in pitches in the US. 
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    Pakistan 36 for 1 after 7.1 overs
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,032
    Addick Addict said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Addick Addict said:
    Ridiculous scorecard - out of 73-5 off 13 overs, Johnson has 52*, there have been 10 extras and the other 6 batsmen have 11 between them!
    You just got him out.
    It's a gift. Wait 'til Surrey play next!
    Are Surrey in the World T20 now? I guess they're second in the wealth stakes behind the BCCI.
  • clive
    clive Posts: 19,579
    ICC Men's T20 World Cup, 2024 - Match 22
    Nassau County International Cricket Stadium, New York

    PAKISTAN

    107/3 (17.3)

    CANADA

    106/7 (20.0)
    Pakistan beat Canada by 7 wickets
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,121
    Some of the scheduling in this tournament is bizarre. Some teams have played 3 matches, but NZ have only played once.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,032
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Some of the scheduling in this tournament is bizarre. Some teams have played 3 matches, but NZ have only played once.
    Which feels worse when you're bottom with 0 points and a NRR of minus 4.2!
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,743
    I'm worried about the weather. 
    If one of England's game gets rained off 
    We are out

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