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  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited August 2024
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    edited August 2024
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently. 
    When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future. 
  • Swisdom
    Swisdom Posts: 14,977
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited August 2024
    Swisdom said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
    He also might have considered  not moving to Scotland while still under contract at a London club... 
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,163
    Swisdom said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
    Agree. He’s stated that he wants to be with his family and that’s very understandable, so, I’d like to think that will be his priority and he’ll do everything to get back with them, including being flexible on his wages etc.,
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,809
    edited August 2024
    you just know we're gonna end up funding half his wages when he goes on a season long loan on transfer deadline day to a Scottish club, may as well cut to the chase and just do it now
  • I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 

    There hasn't really been any vitriol.
    It's fine for him to do what's best for him and his family's future security.  If that means they move North and he honours his contract here in London being apart from them then fine. 
    If it means he wants to join them in Scotland straight away, also fine. 
    Not sure why Charlton should be paying for the later though as it is his life choice.  Hence why we would be being helpful if we agree to pay part of his wages in that instance but shouldn't take the full brunt of any difference.  
    Sounds likely he will move on and that seems the best solution for all parties.
  • 995632
    995632 Posts: 319
    edited August 2024
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently. 
    When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future. 
    Yes you will, you'll be updating us when he sneezes or burps, and update everyone on what he has for breakfast! It's what happens with our ex players; going to be painful with both SE7 branches of the Birmingham and Wrexham supporters clubs constantly spamming us...

    It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'. 
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    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    edited August 2024
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  • Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
  • 995632 said:
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently. 
    When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future. 
    Yes you will, you'll be updating us when he sneezes or burps, and update everyone on what he has for breakfast! It's what happens with our ex players; going to be painful with both SE7 branches of the Birmingham and Wrexham supporters clubs constantly spamming us...

    It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'. 

    ...Count me out of that one mate!...🙄
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    you just know we're gonna end up funding half his wages when he goes on a season long loan on transfer deadline day to a Scottish club, may as well cut to the chase and just do it now

    Agree:
    I said this months ago that we would've to bite the bullet and pay about half of his wage to see him on his way back in Scotland.
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,032
    Swisdom said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
    I guess you would argue that this is probably the last high value contract of his career if he moves back up north of the border and unless he goes into a real purple patch in his career and gets picked up by Rangers or Celtic, then it probably makes sense from his perspective to see how out this contract and then properly move back next year when he's up.
  • YannTheMann
    YannTheMann Posts: 1,032
    Also can someone ITK give us something...feels like it's been weeks since the last proper rumour of Begovic, I am genuinely surprised we haven't announced a keeper in the whole week that Harry has been gone 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    edited August 2024
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
    Neither said nor implied that they should.
  • Elthamaddick
    Elthamaddick Posts: 15,809
    Swisdom said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
    I guess you would argue that this is probably the last high value contract of his career if he moves back up north of the border and unless he goes into a real purple patch in his career and gets picked up by Rangers or Celtic, then it probably makes sense from his perspective to see how out this contract and then properly move back next year when he's up.
    it would have to be some purple patch to then be picked up by one of those 2!!!
  • NorthheathAddick
    NorthheathAddick Posts: 4,017
    edited August 2024
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Selling his talent is a bit strong..,,if he had played half as good as he thought he was,someone woulda paid up by now wholly for that talent,but he ain’t worth it,so we are stuck with him…if he was an employee in any other trade,he woulda been jogged on with a mths extra wages in his pocket…yes I know this is football & it’s different but yeah be great if he could literally take what comes,not hold out for money from us,that he really hasn’t earned…
  • ross1
    ross1 Posts: 50,974
    Better to pay half his wages and transfer him to Scotland than pay all his wages to sit on our bench
  • We may just have to get used to the fact that our GK position will be filled with AMB and Will Mannion...ok...🙄
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  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
    I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,668
    Swisdom said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    Whilst I kind of agree - surely the best thing for his family is to be living with them?

    He's had a very good wage for a number of years so presumably has a few bob in the bank.

    His family are living hundreds of miles away in Scotland so surely the best thing would be for them to be living together 
    I guess you would argue that this is probably the last high value contract of his career if he moves back up north of the border and unless he goes into a real purple patch in his career and gets picked up by Rangers or Celtic, then it probably makes sense from his perspective to see how out this contract and then properly move back next year when he's up.
    I presume you are referring to 
    Berwick Rangers and
    Stalybridge  Celtic.
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,252
    wmcf123 said:
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
    I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee 
    I thought the main point is that they don't, and would rather be all together back up in Scotland
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,347
    It's one thing to acknowledge the mercenary nature of the modern footballer but it's another thing entirely to advocate for it. If players are just business employees then we must be the customers. 
  • sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
    I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee 
    I thought the main point is that they don't, and would rather be all together back up in Scotland
    I think the main problem is Scott and his family just couldn't get used to the foreign food and trying to learn a new language.  ;)
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    sam3110 said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd have a lot more sympathy. 
    I very much doubt that Scott Fraser or Scott Frasers wife and children care very much what your priorities are. 
    I’m sure they all prefer living in Greenwich to Dundee 
    I thought the main point is that they don't, and would rather be all together back up in Scotland
    Yes. Baffling .  
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,358
    irn bru not as good dahn south
  • Starinnaddick
    Starinnaddick Posts: 4,342
    995632 said:
    Chunes said:
    I never understand the vitriol towards a player for doing exactly what’s best for him and his family’s future security. Why should Fraser cut and run ? If I was him I’d do exactly what he’s doing. Sit it out and see if the club offer to pay a good percentage of his salary, pay him off or a combination of either. He’s a professional footballer selling his talent to the highest bidder. He’s not a Charlton fan, he’s an employee. It would be great for both parties if it gets satisfactorily resolved but if not I don’t see either club or player at fault. 
    I haven't seen any vitriol but I think I can help explain it... Here's my list of footballing priorities:

    1) Charlton
    ...
    (Then everything else)
    ...
    4247) Scott Fraser

    As you can see, he's quite low down. Yes, I can see the situation from his side, but should I care? Should I care that he make an extra 2-3k while doing nothing to earn it? Because I don't. I care a lot more that he goes and we bring in a quality player with his salary. Because that could be the difference between getting out of this league or staying in it. 

    Had he been a good player for us, I think I'd feel differently. 
    When he's gone I won't give him a seconds thought but at the moment he is the person in control of his immediate future. 
    Yes you will, you'll be updating us when he sneezes or burps, and update everyone on what he has for breakfast! It's what happens with our ex players; going to be painful with both SE7 branches of the Birmingham and Wrexham supporters clubs constantly spamming us...

    It's like we've split up with a girlfriend and just can't let go, drowning in all the 'he said/she said drama'. 
    Not guilty your Honour. 
  • Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move. 

    I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.

    I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
  • Manic_mania
    Manic_mania Posts: 2,257
    Scott Fraser has known his future at the Valley was over at least 8 months ago. Has has had that amount of time to engineer a move, but barely got off the bench for Hearts, so didnt really play or train for a move. 

    I'd tell him he can train with kids until his contract is up, and let it sink in how desirable a 30yo unfit, luxury midfielder is in a years time.

    I'd rather pay to undermine these hostage-takers rather than subsidise their dream move.
    Wouldn't even let him train with the kids and potentially infect them with negativity or poor attitude. We don't owe him any favours at all IMO
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