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Greg Docherty
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I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.
Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.2 -
Docherty is like somebody who can only bring £500 to the final chase whose only usefulness is being worth one point with no answers.4
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He did actually make a block tackle yesterday, I remember being surprised to notice him.0
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I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn).SteveACS said:I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.
Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.0 -
I’d add Ramsay pre-injury to that.se9addick said:
I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn).SteveACS said:I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.
Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.1 -
Yeah that’s a decent shout.Scoham said:
I’d add Ramsay pre-injury to that.se9addick said:
I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn).SteveACS said:I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.
Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.0 -
I’ve been a bit of a defender of his but does seem like he doesn’t do much every time he gets on the pitch and it isn’t likely to click into place0
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I don’t think he was a weird choice of captain at all.MarcusH26 said:Thought he was a a bit of a coup of a signing but bar the goal against Bolton I'm not sure what he actually does. Weird choice of captain too.
He’s literally the model pro in how he looks after himself, how he trains etc. He’s a lot more vocal on the pitch as well than Dobson ever was.
Problem is, he’s just not playing very well at the moment. Hopefully it’s something he can turn around, because he’s a player who should be very good at this level.9 -
George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.
Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.
Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.9 -
Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.8 -
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Dobson is also technically far superior. Docherty on the ball makes me very sadcafctom said:George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.
Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.
Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.2 -
His stats are very poor and in a lot of areas he's underperforming most midfielders in the league. 43% duels won and pass accuracy 72%.
I don't think we need stats to tell us how he's been playing but it just underlines how poor he's been.1 -
It's my biggest issue with Jones. We gave him total control of a transfer window and the majority of his signings haven't improved us at allOh Eddie Youds... said:Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.4 -
If I may, cast your minds back to Dobsons first games in the shirt.cafctom said:George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.
Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.
Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.1 -
Put simply there just has to be more to come from him. Whether he’s taking longer to settle or what’s going on, I’m not sure.
But he was a mainstay in a team that won this league fairly comfortably and then for a few years since has been a solid Championship midfielder.
And he’s not at an age where he’d be slowing down like a Ben Watson so I don’t believe that’s a valid explanation either.
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I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.Showmetheway2gohome said:Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing12 -
I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.10 -
Curious to know what Docherty is doing for you?Showmetheway2gohome said:
I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me.arny23394 said:
I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.Showmetheway2gohome said:Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing0 -
We weren’t doing that well when he was fit .SteveACS said:I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.
Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.0 -
Showmetheway2gohome said:
I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me.arny23394 said:
I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.Showmetheway2gohome said:Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing
Fairly sure Coventry has never once given the ball away when passing forwards.
Because he has never passed it forwards.1 -
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Another reminder why I am the way I amAthletico Charlton said:Showmetheway2gohome said:
I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me.arny23394 said:
I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.Showmetheway2gohome said:Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing
Fairly sure Coventry has never once given the ball away when passing forwards.
Because he has never passed it forwards.
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We’d be a far worse team without Conor in it, same can’t be said of Docherty.1
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Agree in sentiment, but we were pretty good without Coventry against Stockport.LargeAddick said:We’d be a far worse team without Conor in it, same can’t be said of Docherty.2 -
I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.Garrymanilow said:
I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.
The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.2 -
Whoever out of Scott or Jones is ultimately responsible for recruitment has had another poor window, Mitchell aside .Oh Eddie Youds... said:
I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.Garrymanilow said:
I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.
The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.4 -
Well that's something completely different to what you said. If you want to criticise how we used the May money then that's one thing, but May being a better player than Ahadme isn't relevant because they don't fill the same role. If we'd kept May then we still would have needed to recruit a physical targetman because we had a total gap there. We didn't downgrade from May to Ahadme like you said, we sold May and used to money to replace him with Godden, and then get in a player in a different role. I'm very happy to accept that so far Ahadme hasn't delivered but conflating the two just isn't accurate. Dobson and Docherty I think is a very fair comparison and that's been no contest so far.Oh Eddie Youds... said:
I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.Garrymanilow said:
I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden.Oh Eddie Youds... said:Dobson > Docherty
May > Ahadme
Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).
It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.
The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.6 -
If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.
…& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
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Oh Eddie Youds... said:If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.
…& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
Wickham produced about 3 really high quality moments in and around the injuries and palpable lack of fitness .Oh Eddie Youds... said:If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.
…& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!0 -
So Wickham > Ahadmewmcf123 said:Oh Eddie Youds... said:If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.
…& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
Wickham produced about 3 really high quality moments in and around the injuries and palpable lack of fitness .Oh Eddie Youds... said:If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.
…& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!4 -
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