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  • SteveACS
    SteveACS Posts: 377
    I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.

    Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Docherty is like somebody who can only bring £500 to the final chase whose only usefulness is being worth one point with no answers.
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,493
    He did actually make a block tackle yesterday, I remember being surprised to notice him. 
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,053
    SteveACS said:
    I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.

    Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.
    I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn). 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    se9addick said:
    SteveACS said:
    I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.

    Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.
    I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn). 
    I’d add Ramsay pre-injury to that.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,053
    Scoham said:
    se9addick said:
    SteveACS said:
    I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.

    Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.
    I’m not sure how much it matters in reality, but it is odd that Lloyd Jones wasn’t made captain. He’s our most important player, he’s probably our best player too. Remember that silly 8 + 8 + 8 squad building thing? L. Jones is about the only one I would out into that first group of 8 players capable of playing a at a higher level (maybe Leaburn). 
    I’d add Ramsay pre-injury to that.
    Yeah that’s a decent shout. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,197
    I’ve been a bit of a defender of his but does seem like he doesn’t do much every time he gets on the pitch and it isn’t likely to click into place
  • MarcusH26 said:
    Thought he was a a bit of a coup of a signing but bar the goal against Bolton I'm not sure what he actually does. Weird choice of captain too. 
    I don’t think he was a weird choice of captain at all. 

    He’s literally the model pro in how he looks after himself, how he trains etc. He’s a lot more vocal on the pitch as well than Dobson ever was.

    Problem is, he’s just not playing very well at the moment. Hopefully it’s something he can turn around, because he’s a player who should be very good at this level. 
  • cafctom
    cafctom Posts: 11,372
    edited October 2024
    George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.

    Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.

    Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.
  • Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,337
    cafctom said:
    George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.

    Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.

    Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.
    Dobson is also technically far superior. Docherty on the ball makes me very sad 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    edited October 2024
    His stats are very poor and in a lot of areas he's underperforming most midfielders in the league. 43% duels won and pass accuracy 72%. 

    I don't think we need stats to tell us how he's been playing but it just underlines how poor he's been.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,736
    Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
    It's my biggest issue with Jones. We gave him total control of a transfer window and the majority of his signings haven't improved us at all 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,473
    cafctom said:
    George Dobson is streets ahead of Docherty.

    Even if we’re talking about captain duty/leadership, a big challenge or tackle from Dobbo could offer some inspiration in a game.

    Docherty does literally nothing. Wouldn’t even know he was in the pitch most games.
    If I may, cast your minds back to Dobsons first games in the shirt.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,787
    Put simply there just has to be more to come from him. Whether he’s taking longer to settle or what’s going on, I’m not sure.

    But he was a mainstay in a team that won this league fairly comfortably and then for a few years since has been a solid Championship midfielder.

    And he’s not at an age where he’d be slowing down like a Ben Watson so I don’t believe that’s a valid explanation either.
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing 
    I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
    I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden. 
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,493
    arny23394 said:
    Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing 
    I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.
    I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t  take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me. 
    Curious to know what Docherty is doing for you? 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    SteveACS said:
    I think the performances since Jones has been injured speak for themselves. The defenders now play like they're strangers. Lloydy should have been made captain. It's now clear how bad communication is between the players.

    Docherty hasn't shown he can address that issue.
    We weren’t doing that well when he was fit . 
  • arny23394 said:
    Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing 
    I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.
    I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t  take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me. 

    Fairly sure Coventry has never once given the ball away when passing forwards.

    Because he has never passed it forwards.

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  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,337
    arny23394 said:
    Can’t understand how Dockerty keeps getting dropped and Coventry still hasn’t think dockerty does more than Coventry I’d like to see Taylor and Dockerty pairing 
    I don't think I've ever seen one of your posts and not thought, what in the name of fuck is he going on about. Genuinely baffled anybody could have this opinion - apart from the Bolton goal, he's been completely anonymous.
    I’m baffled what Coventry brings apart from backwards and sideways I’d like to see what his completion rate is on forward passes. He can’t  take a set piece. Least he managed to get on score sheet Saturday Shame wrong end. perhaps my expectations of him are too high or the fact his nowhere near as good as Dobson. But his not doing it for me. 

    Fairly sure Coventry has never once given the ball away when passing forwards.

    Because he has never passed it forwards.
    Another reminder why I am the way I am :) 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,594
    We’d be a far worse team without Conor in it, same can’t be said of Docherty.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,356
    We’d be a far worse team without Conor in it, same can’t be said of Docherty.
    Agree in sentiment, but we were pretty good without Coventry against Stockport. 
  • Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
    I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden. 
    I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.

    We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.

    The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
    I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden. 
    I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.

    We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.

    The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.
    Whoever out of Scott or Jones is ultimately responsible for recruitment has had another poor window, Mitchell aside .  
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,176
    Dobson > Docherty
    May > Ahadme

    Two incredible downgrades from NJ & AS (that have prevented us from moving forward).

    It would have been hard to recruit any worse.
    I don't know why people keep insisting on comparing Ahadme to May. They're completely different players and Ahadme didn't replace May, Godden did. Ahadme was signed to provide the physical holdup game that was missing last season - which currently he isn't - and Godden was signed to replace May in terms of finishing chances. Currently May has 5 league goals, but only 1 in his last 9, and Godden has 4 league goals in not far off half the number of minutes of May. It's absolutely fine to not rate Ahadme based on what he's shown so far but you have to be honest and compare May with his replacement if you're going to insist on doing that, and it's Godden. 
    I compare Ahadme with May because that’s where the money we got for May was reinvested.

    We could have done a lot in this league with £775k but instead we wasted a large chunk of it on Ahadme.

    The above (awful recruitment) is ultimately why we can’t do better than mid table.
    Well that's something completely different to what you said. If you want to criticise how we used the May money then that's one thing, but May being a better player than Ahadme isn't relevant because they don't fill the same role. If we'd kept May then we still would have needed to recruit a physical targetman because we had a total gap there. We didn't downgrade from May to Ahadme like you said, we sold May and used to money to replace him with Godden, and then get in a player in a different role. I'm very happy to accept that so far Ahadme hasn't delivered but conflating the two just isn't accurate. Dobson and Docherty I think is a very fair comparison and that's been no contest so far.
  • If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.

    …& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,827
    If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.

    …& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
    If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.

    …& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
    Wickham produced about 3 really high quality moments in and around the injuries and palpable lack of fitness . 

  • wmcf123 said:
    If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.

    …& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
    If we are only comparing like for like players then Ahadme is probably Wickham’s replacement.

    …& I think I’d rather still have Wickham!
    Wickham produced about 3 really high quality moments in and around the injuries and palpable lack of fitness . 
    So Wickham > Ahadme
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,237
    Will be Charlton manager in a few years time