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POST-MATCH THREAD: Millwall V Charlton Athletic: Saturday 24th January 2026: KO 12:30

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  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,966
    My observations (I guess I watch the game as if a 20th Century referee, with despair at the modern game, seeing as no-one has mentioned all this)

    The first goal was due to Ramsay being intent on holding their attacker rather than being goalside and being aware of where the ball was in the air. It hit him lamely on the arm because he had no idea that it was about to hit him. Ramsay was totally at fault. If it hadn’t gone in, it should have been a penalty to Millwall anyway, and yellow card to Ramsay. If were NJ, I’d be livid with Ramsay.

    Dykes was being pushed and pulled whilst running through on goal.The ball bounced off his head onto his arm but he was not in control of his upper body and therefore not in control of the positioning of his upper arm. Ruling this goal out was unfair because he was being fouled. The goal should have been allowed and a yellow card given to the Millwall defender. 

    In the box preceding their second goal Cooper was holding our defender marking Taylor. Taylor made his run away from his marker because he was no longer able to follow him. Taylor then had a clear header. Yellow card to Cooper,  free kick to Charlton, no goal.

    There’s a challenge in the box which wasn’t tidy but there was no foul. It’s his standing foot that their player moves his foot towards to intentionally trip over to win the penalty. Yellow card to their player for simulation.

    Final Score: Millwall 2 Charlton 1 

    Correction : 1-1  (as without goals 2&3 they wouldn't get goal 4)

    Correction again: 2-1 (as we always find a way to lose against those w**k**s)




  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,579
    Bailey said:
    Can someone name a source for the ‘Jones has lost the dressing room’ rumours?

    Is it the same source as the last time he lost the dressing room when that wasn’t true?



    The sources on here who have said he has fallen out with Doc and Apter have proven to be very reliable in numerous things.  The body language of TC every time he is moved to LB is clear for any fan watching to see.
    Has he lost the dressing rooms I don't know, but it's pretty obvious there are some major issues.
    No they haven't. 
    Name those who are reliable in numerous things then. 
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 34,824
    Oxford winning as well, we are in deep deep shit 
    I highly doubt we’ll give Leicester as good a game as Oxford have today. That’s a direct comparison.
    Oxford scored after 4 minutes, then apparently had a seemingly good goal unfortunately ruled out, before scoring their second.
    Can't see us scoring 2 or 3 next week somehow, as I doubt we keep a clean sheet.
    The official stats might say otherwise but I reckon we had 3 attempts on goal today.

    TC's shot
    Lloyd Jones's blocked shot
    Dyke's shot.

    We will need far more than that to win a game of football. 
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,846
    edited January 24
    Also, to suggest players aren’t trying is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

    outclassed, yes. They’re not not trying. They’re just rudderless at the moment 
    You cant honestly say that was 100% out there?
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,579
    msomerton said:
    Why nullify our best player, Campbell, at half time? 

    Shit set up, shit midfield and no left side. You get what you deserve.
    Imagine if you could sign a fit LWB that could come in & play 90 mins straight off. No need to chop & change during the game and might give you a chance to win the match.

    But you all felt it wasn't possible yo sign someone on Jan 1st so we had to wait 3 weeks to sign someone who could only play 45 mins. 

    I know I'm seen as some some of idiot.....but tell me I'm.wrong. 




    Usual ill informed drivel, ever tried to sign a player on Jan the 1st Golfie? Thought not, absolutely clueless!
    It looks to me 14 clubs had made 1 or more signings by the 2nd of the month.

    2 January

    Premier League

    Pablo Felipe [Gil Vicente - West Ham] Undisclosed

    Pascal Gross [Borussia Dortmund - Brighton] Undisclosed

    Brennan Johnson [Tottenham - Crystal Palace] £35m

    International

    Niclas Fullkrug [West Ham - AC Milan] Loan

    Scottish Premiership

    Julian Araujo [Bournemouth - Celtic] Loan

    English Football League

    Tobi Adeyemo [Watford - Crawley] Loan

    Jamie Donley [Tottenham - Oxford] Loan

    Oscar Fraulo [Borussia Monchengladbach - Derby] Reported £250,000-£350,000

    Josh Honohan [Shamrock Rovers - Lincoln] Undisclosed

    Bayley McCann [Barnsley - Doncaster] Free

    Sam Morsy [Unattached - Bristol City]

    Michael Olakigbe [Brentford - Swindon] Loan

    Darren Robinson [Derby - Doncaster] Free

    Louie Sibley [Oxford - Bradford] Loan

    Kai Wagner [Philadelphia Union - Birmingham] Undisclosed

    Women's Super League

    Alice Bergstrom [BK Hacken - Liverpool] Undisclosed

    Just to settle the argument 

  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,176
    Can someone name a source for the ‘Jones has lost the dressing room’ rumours?

    Is it the same source as the last time he lost the dressing room when that wasn’t true?


    Linda Apter.
  • CafcSteve
    CafcSteve Posts: 827
    A performance today that was both embarrassing and predictable in equal measures.
    Players like Macca, Coventry & Ramsay seem to be regressing at a rate of knots.
    Campbell is our only player who looks to make things happen and was again MOTM.
    Clarke looks like he could be a decent signing.
    Golfie is absolutely spot on about the farcical left-wing back situation & signing.
  • Bubble
    Bubble Posts: 1,546
    Jones needs questioning 100% but don’t let that distract from how pathetic those players were, particularly second half.

    The space every Millwall player in possession had, the lack of desire to even track players runs, 1st balls, 2nd balls, 3rd balls. 

    We could have played any formation with any set of those 11 players and the outcome would have been the same. 

    Shameful 


  • Valleyfan2
    Valleyfan2 Posts: 241
    The Senior Management Team need to sit down Monday morning with NJ and have a no holds barred discussion on where it’s all gone wrong and come up with a solution. NJ can’t keep hiding behind injuries, he has a fairly full squad to choose from now. Also involve the players, if they have issues with NJ they need to be aired and sorted. Things will start to get toxic soon if things don’t improve. 
  • jimmymelrose
    jimmymelrose Posts: 9,966
    DDOUBLEE said:
    MrOneLung said:
    Let’s face it.

    Bromley are gonna be our main rivals for next few years. 
    We're clearly no.3 in South London but could quite easily be no.4 with the way things are going
    You’re forgetting Wimbledon. 

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  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,176
    Still a Jones supporter but he’s trying my patience now with his stubbornness 

    Actually liked his post match interview and I think we might actually see a bit of a reaction / change - we have to.

    I’m hopeful we can get a couple more bodies in this week.

    I also still believe had we had Bell / Edwards for the last few months we’d be a good 10/12 points better off and not worried at all.

    Those 2 injuries have killed the whole balance of the side.

    There simply has to be a reaction to that display today though 
    Who is in charge of our recruitment, Burke and Hare?
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,176
    TD_Addick said:
    I also will be selling all Daniel D Lewis and Gary Oldman movies on DVD in a bundle package if anyone is interested.😀
    Have you got my left wing back?
    Genius.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,739
    Croydon said:
    Also, to suggest players aren’t trying is absolutely fucking ridiculous.

    outclassed, yes. They’re not not trying. They’re just rudderless at the moment 
    Bullshit. No way. Fucking rubbish.

    That second half was littered with disgraceful examples of just that. It’s a derby. I want to see them charging at Millwall left right and centre. 

    Not pulling out of tackles. Lack of bothering to move to offer options, watching people ghost past them, not following up penalties.

    It’s not fucking ridiculous and as fans we won’t put up for it in a local derby.

    They embarrassed us and they embarrassed themselves 
    As I asked @AberystwythAddick above, please name who you think wasn't trying.

    I agree totally they were nearly all completely hopeless to various degrees but were they just inept compared to not trying?
    No one will be able to tell me that Burke and Ramsay were giving 100% today. Half arsed is being polite
    Burke had a bet with a mate that he would manage two games on the trot.
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,426
    I have no words for how bad that was, so I used your words. Thank you.


  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,867
    CAFCTrev said:

    I’m confused. For the first two months of the season we looked, at worst, like a solid mid-table side. Now we look completely abysmal.

    So what is it — a mid-table Championship squad being badly managed, or a genuinely League One-level squad with a manager who’s simply cant get anything more from them?

    It's the latter. These players aren't a touch on the quality we had under Bowyer or Powell. 

    They have the attention span of an ADHD patient who has discovered reels and shorts. 
  • CaptainRobbo
    CaptainRobbo Posts: 1,176
    BigDiddy said:
    Why nullify our best player, Campbell, at half time? 

    Shit set up, shit midfield and no left side. You get what you deserve.
    Imagine if you could sign a fit LWB that could come in & play 90 mins straight off. No need to chop & change during the game and might give you a chance to win the match.

    But you all felt it wasn't possible yo sign someone on Jan 1st so we had to wait 3 weeks to sign someone who could only play 45 mins. 

    I know I'm seen as some some of idiot.....but tell me I'm.wrong. 




    Usual ill informed drivel, ever tried to sign a player on Jan the 1st Golfie? Thought not, absolutely clueless!
    The left side problem has been evident for months - it’s a scandal the club have done nothing to resolve that problem.

    We need to strengthen in several areas, but the left side problem will cost us our place in this division.


    Don't worry about it, Chambers may be up to match fitness by March.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,867
    My observations (I guess I watch the game as if a 20th Century referee, with despair at the modern game, seeing as no-one has mentioned all this)

    The first goal was due to Ramsay being intent on holding their attacker rather than being goalside and being aware of where the ball was in the air. It hit him lamely on the arm because he had no idea that it was about to hit him. Ramsay was totally at fault. If it hadn’t gone in, it should have been a penalty to Millwall anyway, and yellow card to Ramsay. If were NJ, I’d be livid with Ramsay.

    Dykes was being pushed and pulled whilst running through on goal.The ball bounced off his head onto his arm but he was not in control of his upper body and therefore not in control of the positioning of his upper arm. Ruling this goal out was unfair because he was being fouled. The goal should have been allowed and a yellow card given to the Millwall defender. 

    In the box preceding their second goal Cooper was holding our defender marking Taylor. Taylor made his run away from his marker because he was no longer able to follow him. Taylor then had a clear header. Yellow card to Cooper,  free kick to Charlton, no goal.

    There’s a challenge in the box which wasn’t tidy but there was no foul. It’s his standing foot that their player moves his foot towards to intentionally trip over to win the penalty. Yellow card to their player for simulation.

    Final Score: Millwall 2 Charlton 1 

    Correction : 1-1  (as without goals 2&3 they wouldn't get goal 4)

    Correction again: 2-1 (as we always find a way to lose against those w**k**s)




    Ramsay's own goal was offside anyway because their player attempted to play the ball after being offside at the moment of the pass. 

    The ball came off Ramsay's chest, same for Dykes one. 
  • 'Millwall were excellent, but we were nowhere near that level. We settled nicely and there wasn't a massive problem in the first half - we weren't anywhere near our levels, but we made opportunities, moved the ball well."

    I assume Jones was at a different game to me, we could have been 3 or 4 down at half time.
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,579
    kentred2 said:
    The owners have let Jones and the fans down. 
    Signings either walking wounded or league one standard at best. 
    Not the owners but Rodwell. They said it as much on the interview.  They don’t want to spend big because they think it will cause disharmony.  Meanwhile Wrexham spend big and don’t appeared unsettled by it.

    Who’s ’taking a risk.’?
    I think there is a bit more to it than that. Wrexham have managed to bring in further finance in much the same way that Ipswich have, which may explain or allow further investment in the team, I think that is the Charlton boards intention but I am not aware that it's been achieved. It's an interesting one though, one of the reasons that, as I understand it, the American interest in our football clubs have become so prolific, was the strength of the dollar against the pound, not the only reason though, Trumps Dollar has fallen dramatically, I wonder if that will have any affect on American owned football clubs. 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,579
    I like him, but if by some fluke chance we still play Millwall next season, I don’t want Kane Ramsay to even be in the country.

    Two absolute shitshow performances this season 
    Never seen a player go down hill so quickly.
    Carey's form has not been great either.

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  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 558
    The only positive from today was that we won't be playing them again and it's all over for another year. The troubling thing is that the trajectory of each side suggests we might not be playing them next year at all.


    If we go down (very likely) and they go up (less likely, but possible), it could be decades before we play them again in a league match.

  • ct_addick said:
    We should have got Azeez a couple of seasons ago……when Reading were desperate
    Why? We had TC who was destined to be a Prem player at some stage!
  • twiggyaddick
    twiggyaddick Posts: 1,605
    From the preview thread: 
    twiggyaddick said:
    Ahh, here we go again.

    The home game was our best chance in a generation and we still ballsed it up...

    4-0, and memories of the Christian daily game coming back to haunt

    I hate being right, even got the Dailly bit right by way of Ramsay's own goal....I also hate I didn't put money on it.....id actually go as far as that was worse than the 2010 4-0.....just pathetic stuff all round and an utter embarrassment, there has to be a reaction



  • wolfgang
    wolfgang Posts: 558
    edited January 24





     
  • Jones has talked recently about a track record of outperforming his budget and you could see at the start of the season how he does. We outworked teams, pressed them to death, won every second ball, defended as a unit and were generally horrible to play against, especially at the Valley. After we'd run a team ragged for 70 minutes a new front line came on like they were shot out of a cannon and we had a knack of scoring late goals. Workrate, fitness and structure are three things that can be drilled into a low budget/technically deficient team to make them effective.

    Somehow all of that has gone out of the window. Since Southampton (where it was admittedly a disaster) we are too scared to press teams. But we are also unbelievably slow on and off the ball. And have completely stopped winning the second ball. Today was the worst example of that and completely inexcusable, but it has been the case to some degree for a while.

    I thought our problems came down mainly to the giant hole in the left side of the defence but clearly there are deeper issues. 

    On the left side, I'm not digging him out but based on that half Chambers is not the LWB we need. We need someone defensively very solid and he lived up to his billing today of being good on the ball and going forward, but not particularly strong in defence. Don't mind him as competition/backup but we need an outright left back in that role.
  • ct_addick
    ct_addick Posts: 4,462
    Jones has talked recently about a track record of outperforming his budget and you could see at the start of the season how he does. We outworked teams, pressed them to death, won every second ball, defended as a unit and were generally horrible to play against, especially at the Valley. After we'd run a team ragged for 70 minutes a new front line came on like they were shot out of a cannon and we had a knack of scoring late goals. Workrate, fitness and structure are three things that can be drilled into a low budget/technically deficient team to make them effective.

    Somehow all of that has gone out of the window. Since Southampton (where it was admittedly a disaster) we are too scared to press teams. But we are also unbelievably slow on and off the ball. And have completely stopped winning the second ball. Today was the worst example of that and completely inexcusable, but it has been the case to some degree for a while.

    I thought our problems came down mainly to the giant hole in the left side of the defence but clearly there are deeper issues. 

    On the left side, I'm not digging him out but based on that half Chambers is not the LWB we need. We need someone defensively very solid and he lived up to his billing today of being good on the ball and going forward, but not particularly strong in defence. Don't mind him as competition/backup but we need an outright left back in that role.
    Anyone with a little pace and skill…..ie scienza (Southampton)…and today Azeez…..cause havoc in our defense…
  • valleynick66
    valleynick66 Posts: 5,135
    If you put the Millwall element aside it’s a slightly different story. 

    We were , against the odds, in with a shout until about 80 mins against a team who are clearly better than us. 

    Decisions given another way and it would not have ended up the way it did. 

    We lost and deserved to but it could have been less bad - if you get my drift. 

    To be positive I think we can expect a different starting 11 next time out. 
  • Treacey1969
    Treacey1969 Posts: 173
    I'm sorry but NJ has to go. He spoke about his teams high intensity which was missing not only today after the shambolic defeat by Millwall. We lost 1 to 1 battles, players not tracking, the stupidity of the continuation of the short goal kick that ultimately loses us possession in our half, previously throw ons going backwards ending up with our keeper. Lack of risk taking that shows up when players do not anticipate by running off one another. I could go on about certain players and their continued performances which was pitiful and clearly the over indulgence of NJ ex players who jump to his tune doesn't help. We are now going backwards in terms of defensive capabilities but NJ tactics doesn't help on terms of attack. In short we need a change.
  • DDOUBLEE said:
    And I'm not even having this bollocks that Chambers was supposedly our "first choice" to sign. No way.
    Shame Rodwell couldn't be challenged on that at the Q&A. 
    Probably our only choice. Didn’t think he did that bad in the first half.
    I agree he didnt. It wasn't what he did on the pitch that was the problem. The problem was he couldn't last more than 45 mins. He has been out injured for months & only had a couple of U21 matches over the last couple of weeks. He is not match fit.....maybe even worse than Rousillion.  The problem is he had to be replaced at HT & then we are back to same old same old with TC playing there. 
    I think Jones's thinking (if he had any) was to go for it in the first half and try to nick a goal then sit back and try to protect it.
    That all went tits up as soon as they scored and Jones then didn't know what ttodo once he took him off at left wb as Cambell couldn't get up the pitch as much.
  • Cafctekkers
    Cafctekkers Posts: 1,284
    Stig said:
    I have no words for how bad that was, so I used your words. Thank you.


    If I was Jones I'd be tempted to put that up at the training ground in an attempt to get some sort of reaction out of them