I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................

NabySarr said:

50 points, 3 games to go. We’d all have taken that in August 

Sword65pf said:

Chunes said:

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Crispywood said:

When you play to win in the moments you need your players to not be donkeys Jones has way too many of those at this level

He has Conor Coventry and he's decided to hold a grudge against him. Idiot 

It’s debatable but let’s not turn Conor Coventry into the Championship Pirlo.

He's good enough for our midfield, but Jones blames him for a goal or two so he's dropped him for the foreseeable even when he'd obviously have been the best choice today 

I’m not convinced any of our midfielders are good enough really, other than Carey when he’s on form.

Had we got the same result (or worse) with Coventry, others would have said why not play Coady with his experience and his record with us.

I agree. Our midfield is absolutely honking, with or without him. 

Our midfield has been our problem all season, nothing we can do now, but if it’s not the priority to replace all of it I’ll be pretty pissed off. Keep Carey but he would need to be scared of his place in the team at the very least.

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Scoham said:

Sword65pf said:

Chunes said:

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Scoham said:

Leuth said:

Crispywood said:

When you play to win in the moments you need your players to not be donkeys Jones has way too many of those at this level

He has Conor Coventry and he's decided to hold a grudge against him. Idiot 

It’s debatable but let’s not turn Conor Coventry into the Championship Pirlo.

He's good enough for our midfield, but Jones blames him for a goal or two so he's dropped him for the foreseeable even when he'd obviously have been the best choice today 

I’m not convinced any of our midfielders are good enough really, other than Carey when he’s on form.

Had we got the same result (or worse) with Coventry, others would have said why not play Coady with his experience and his record with us.

I agree. Our midfield is absolutely honking, with or without him. 

Our midfield has been our problem all season, nothing we can do now, but if it’s not the priority to replace all of it I’ll be pretty pissed off. Keep Carey but he would need to be scared of his place in the team at the very least.

Wing backs are a top priority too as Clarke and Chambers are on loan and part of the problem - their good moments going forward have been far too rare.

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Its not a Yes or No answer... and you know it.

Of course we all want to see Charlton playing better, but against opposition at this level with experience and nous, we'd get f**king slaughtered - So instead we play within our means, we grind our results by any means necessarily, and provided that we achieve the target that is survival... I dont care how that is achieved.

Talking of form, as you've mentioned it, that (as I've stressed of late) is a lazy line, its another useless stat that has absolutely no meaning on future games... What happens in the past, has absolutely zero bearing on the future.

Let me ask YOU this... Would you accept things, if we were playing better, but in Leicester's position currently?

Are you drunk? 

why are you trying to associate playing better with being in a worse position?! Playing better is generally likely to result in being in a better position. 😂

as I’ve said throughout the entire season, I’m not actually calling for Jones to be sacked. However, some of the contrived arguments people come out with to try and protect jones from criticism at all costs are mental. 

Disaggregate this from accounts; disaggregate this from our league position in February 2024; disaggregate this from Leicester’s playing style. 

Just look exclusively at the players/ squad we have and the matches we have been playing; I have watched pretty much every minute of every game this season. We have been toilet since October, pretty much entirely. I’m not even saying we should be playing a great style of football, we can play ugly- fine! But our players and squad should have been putting in, on average and over that period, better performances, and we should have been getting, on average and over that period, better results. 🤷‍♂️

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

paulsturgess said:

ForeverAddickted said:

LittleAddick said:

ForeverAddickted said:

Should be thankful that people are calling for Jones' head again

As each time its happened so far, he's made those comments look idiotic and pathetic

I don't necessarily agree with those calls - but in my view we're past the point of calling them idiotic and pathetic. We genuinely can't score more than one goal, even against a team on -4 points.

The question that always struggles to get answered with the Jones out calls

Is what did you all expect at this stage of the season, that is being done differently?

If you expected us to be doing worse, then we're doing better

If you expected us to be doing better, then am sorry thats just naivity 

If you didn’t expect us to be doing better, then you have not been watching any of our matches. Fact. People need to get a grip and stop banging on about budget and playing football manager , looking at bits of paper.

look at the players on the pitch and how effing pitiful they are playing. If you don’t think they could and/or should be doing better, then you are the naive one!

Survival is the target, its been the aim all season nothing more... nothing less

Yet despite how pittiful we're playing, we're still in control of our destiny, we've still not entered the bottom three

Sorry but those are the facts I'm looking at

I'm sorry you're deviating from the point here:

Your comment - " if you expected us to be doing better, than am sorry thats just naivety"

my response is this a single simple question - "do you think the team should be playing better than they are?"

Please answer with one word only - yes or no

(and before answering would urge you to reflect on today's opponents, Preston and Watford's recent/current form)

Its not a Yes or No answer... and you know it.

Of course we all want to see Charlton playing better, but against opposition at this level with experience and nous, we'd get f**king slaughtered - So instead we play within our means, we grind our results by any means necessarily, and provided that we achieve the target that is survival... I dont care how that is achieved.

Talking of form, as you've mentioned it, that (as I've stressed of late) is a lazy line, its another useless stat that has absolutely no meaning on future games... What happens in the past, has absolutely zero bearing on the future.

Let me ask YOU this... Would you accept things, if we were playing better, but in Leicester's position currently?

Are you drunk? 

why are you trying to associate playing better with being in a worse position?! Playing better is generally likely to result in being in a better position. 😂

as I’ve said throughout the entire season, I’m not actually calling for Jones to be sacked. However, some of the contrived arguments people come out with to try and protect jones from criticism at all costs are mental. 

Disaggregate this from accounts; disaggregate this from our league position in February 2024; disaggregate this from Leicester’s playing style. 

Just look exclusively at the players/ squad we have and the matches we have been playing; I have watched pretty much every minute of every game this season. We have been toilet since October, pretty much entirely. I’m not even saying we should be playing a great style of football, we can play ugly- fine! But our players and squad should have been putting in, on average and over that period, better performances, and we should have been getting, on average and over that period, better results. 🤷‍♂️

Apologies for not falling for your lazy "Yes" or "No" trap

Am curious - Why SHOULD we have been puttng in better performances and results...?

What is the reason for that... ?

_uptheaddicks said:

The playing 11 either lacking confidence or motivation/desire. I can't work out which!

Garrymanilow said:

Croydon said:

I don't buy into this "if we played any different we'd be worse" narrative.

I don't know, there's been a few things recently where I think as much as his game management isn't great at the moment some of Jones' judgments on the squad have been borne out. No-one wanted Dykes or Coady, especially not as a midfielder, but those have worked out well. People were calling for Mannion to come back in over Kaminksi, who he was apparently much better than, and now I think we've seen the reality of that. I think someone said it was 'scandalous' that we hadn't used Fullah more, but then he got more minutes against Preston and kept giving the ball away in dangerous areas which led to their goal. I think Jones sees the risks in certain ways of playing and takes the cautious route. Given that these players just refuse to score more than one goal I think the increasing stodge is a reaction to that. I don't think we'd like the version of this team that can't score goals AND is very open

Scoham said:

Garrymanilow said:

Croydon said:

I don't buy into this "if we played any different we'd be worse" narrative.

I don't know, there's been a few things recently where I think as much as his game management isn't great at the moment some of Jones' judgments on the squad have been borne out. No-one wanted Dykes or Coady, especially not as a midfielder, but those have worked out well. People were calling for Mannion to come back in over Kaminksi, who he was apparently much better than, and now I think we've seen the reality of that. I think someone said it was 'scandalous' that we hadn't used Fullah more, but then he got more minutes against Preston and kept giving the ball away in dangerous areas which led to their goal. I think Jones sees the risks in certain ways of playing and takes the cautious route. Given that these players just refuse to score more than one goal I think the increasing stodge is a reaction to that. I don't think we'd like the version of this team that can't score goals AND is very open

I think we’ve also lost the surprise factor when we first came up, and teams have found ways around our high press, including games like Southampton at home which completely ripped it apart. We don’t look like Jones wants to risk playing that way again.

If we stay up I hope we’ll become a higher pressing team again. With the right signings we could develop into a mid table side and progress from there. Make the wrong signings and it’ll be more of the style we’ve seen recently, and that won’t ever achieve anything more than being in relegation battles.