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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.1 -
It's almost like people have forgotten we had 15 permanent managers in 10 years!PeaksAndValleys said:
Think it's more a hallmark of some of the worst run organisations, including us in recent yearsThe Red Robin said:Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.
The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.5 -
The CEO thing is odd and Carter didn’t really give answer the last time he was quizzed on it.DamoNorthStand said:The Red Robin said:Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.
The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.I would suggest we need to get the leadership structure sorted pronto - how long have we been looking for a CEO again?
We lack knowledge and experience in sports leadership. Thats not a dig it’s just a fact.
You don’t really want to be going through fundamental processes like changing a manager without it.0 -
The only thing I can think of with Carters non answer is someone is working their notice period elsewhere and they don't want to go early on an announcement like with Murphy2
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Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.0 -
I'm as disappointed as anyone with (what will likely be) a poor run of results at the end of the season. I still realistically think that we scrabble over the line and stay up due to us getting the points on the board when we did and collective performances that, at times, that did equate to more than the sum of their parts.
No matter how you swing it, I think we have both a starting lineup and a squad that is L1 level. When you look at the squad critically, and you say, which of those would comfortably compete for spaces in teams that are even lower-middle half of the league, it's a handful of players at best. To that end, the job that NJ has done so far this season - both to have the points tally we have AND not be in relegation zone for the majority of the season is highly commendable (barring what I think is a low % chance of us not getting another point and Oxford getting 7-9 points). Purely from a results perspective, it's arguably one of the strongest results-driven outcome for a team this season, when finances are also factored in. He found strategy and results that many other managers would probably struggle to do. This is why, even when we struggle, you can't discredit the points total, league position and results so far - and you can even go back to last season, when we went on the crazy run that got us up. We were a bigger fish in that pond, but still a huge achievement.
That said, I have regularly described the football this season as hateball. It's awful to watch, but it's a means to an end. The "keep it 0-0 and try to scrape one" mentality. There have been fleeting moments this season where points have ever felt secure - the vast, vast majority, we are one mistake/moment away from throwing away everything. The defensive structure means we give up any midfield presence and we sit deep, defending for our lives. For practically every manager, they would take points over performance, even more so when you are just promoted to any league. I said to myself that I would have taken any style of football this year if it meant we would stay up, and tbh, I still feel the same. The lack of creative play truly pains me, and the waste of certain players also feels dumb, but it's all part of a larger objective to just stay up.
It's hard to say whether, given better players, the system clicks more. You could throw another 15-20million at it and still look lethargic. We need really specific profiles of players - notably in WB (finding ones who can defend and attack) and CM (pls no more Doc) - and they either won't come cheap or be difficult to attract if we play hardball on wages. It's an easy out for NJ to say the quality isn't there, because it's so notable our squad lacks a lot. However, I still question that, even with strong players for our budget, I still have reservations about our ability to create chances and maybe 15-20million might not be enough.
The concern for me is the longer term financials involved here, which may mean that we have to cash in on the likes of Mbick if Premier League bids come in. I feel like the lack of assets we can sell to generate spend are low, and, more likely, we will probably be fire selling a large number of players in the summer to reduce the wage bill. All this will require significant investment yet again in the summer, which, I hope, the board can stomach.
If we continue our rate of spending in the summer (hopefully - and I still think, likely) for a new Championship season, the quality should improve and NJ shouldn't be able to use that as an excuse. I feel like the grumbles will only increase should we be in the relegation fight at the same time next season, because it's very painful football to watch and support when it is that means to an end. Hopefully, with certain players moved on and the quality increased, we get something a little better served up. The niggles of NJs disappointments with Stoke/Southampton may draw comparison, but at least until we see how the summer and the start of next season goes, we're better sticking with what we know.4 -
What are you talking about???wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
I was talking about Appleton, Slade and Garner not being on the list.0 -
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No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a beer record, thereby beginning one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.2
