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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.1 -
It's almost like people have forgotten we had 15 permanent managers in 10 years!PeaksAndValleys said:
Think it's more a hallmark of some of the worst run organisations, including us in recent yearsThe Red Robin said:Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.
The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.6 -
The CEO thing is odd and Carter didn’t really give answer the last time he was quizzed on it.DamoNorthStand said:The Red Robin said:Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.
The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.I would suggest we need to get the leadership structure sorted pronto - how long have we been looking for a CEO again?
We lack knowledge and experience in sports leadership. Thats not a dig it’s just a fact.
You don’t really want to be going through fundamental processes like changing a manager without it.0 -
The only thing I can think of with Carters non answer is someone is working their notice period elsewhere and they don't want to go early on an announcement like with Murphy2
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Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.1 -
I'm as disappointed as anyone with (what will likely be) a poor run of results at the end of the season. I still realistically think that we scrabble over the line and stay up due to us getting the points on the board when we did and collective performances that, at times, that did equate to more than the sum of their parts.
No matter how you swing it, I think we have both a starting lineup and a squad that is L1 level. When you look at the squad critically, and you say, which of those would comfortably compete for spaces in teams that are even lower-middle half of the league, it's a handful of players at best. To that end, the job that NJ has done so far this season - both to have the points tally we have AND not be in relegation zone for the majority of the season is highly commendable (barring what I think is a low % chance of us not getting another point and Oxford getting 7-9 points). Purely from a results perspective, it's arguably one of the strongest results-driven outcome for a team this season, when finances are also factored in. He found strategy and results that many other managers would probably struggle to do. This is why, even when we struggle, you can't discredit the points total, league position and results so far - and you can even go back to last season, when we went on the crazy run that got us up. We were a bigger fish in that pond, but still a huge achievement.
That said, I have regularly described the football this season as hateball. It's awful to watch, but it's a means to an end. The "keep it 0-0 and try to scrape one" mentality. There have been fleeting moments this season where points have ever felt secure - the vast, vast majority, we are one mistake/moment away from throwing away everything. The defensive structure means we give up any midfield presence and we sit deep, defending for our lives. For practically every manager, they would take points over performance, even more so when you are just promoted to any league. I said to myself that I would have taken any style of football this year if it meant we would stay up, and tbh, I still feel the same. The lack of creative play truly pains me, and the waste of certain players also feels dumb, but it's all part of a larger objective to just stay up.
It's hard to say whether, given better players, the system clicks more. You could throw another 15-20million at it and still look lethargic. We need really specific profiles of players - notably in WB (finding ones who can defend and attack) and CM (pls no more Doc) - and they either won't come cheap or be difficult to attract if we play hardball on wages. It's an easy out for NJ to say the quality isn't there, because it's so notable our squad lacks a lot. However, I still question that, even with strong players for our budget, I still have reservations about our ability to create chances and maybe 15-20million might not be enough.
The concern for me is the longer term financials involved here, which may mean that we have to cash in on the likes of Mbick if Premier League bids come in. I feel like the lack of assets we can sell to generate spend are low, and, more likely, we will probably be fire selling a large number of players in the summer to reduce the wage bill. All this will require significant investment yet again in the summer, which, I hope, the board can stomach.
If we continue our rate of spending in the summer (hopefully - and I still think, likely) for a new Championship season, the quality should improve and NJ shouldn't be able to use that as an excuse. I feel like the grumbles will only increase should we be in the relegation fight at the same time next season, because it's very painful football to watch and support when it is that means to an end. Hopefully, with certain players moved on and the quality increased, we get something a little better served up. The niggles of NJs disappointments with Stoke/Southampton may draw comparison, but at least until we see how the summer and the start of next season goes, we're better sticking with what we know.9 -
What are you talking about???wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
I was talking about Appleton, Slade and Garner not being on the list.0 -
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No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.7 -
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.5 -
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Yep, that many managers looks like a football club that is in trouble, and I just don’t get the desire to get to 16 in a rushOff_it said:
It's almost like people have forgotten we had 15 permanent managers in 10 years!PeaksAndValleys said:
Think it's more a hallmark of some of the worst run organisations, including us in recent yearsThe Red Robin said:Any well-run club should have a succession plan in place. I’d hope Carter, Rodwell etc. at least have a shortlist they’d target when the time comes.
The best sports organisations aren’t afraid to make those decisions early.3 -
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased, whether that's vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor. That's why I honestly don't mind when people boo, what's the alternative? Keep clapping players who are underperforming as we watch some of the worst football produced in the league.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice if the rumours were true. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.7 -
But those clubs did come up with an alternative.Braziliance said:
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.
Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?4 -
Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich are three clubs with playing budgets in the top 6-8 of the league, and they sacked managers because they were massively under performing the spend. We're talking about sacking a manager who is on course to meet the season's expectations.17
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I think we need 1 point to stay up. That means that with 9 games to go, we needed 4 points, or 3 if all 3 were at Oxford.
If we go down, 'stick with what we know'/'Jones is the best man to get us back up' is plain and simple Stockholm syndrome in response to what is surely the worst end of season failure in Championship history.4 -
I don't mean "someone" like a poster on here. I'm specifically talking about those people at the club. If they can identify and bring in someone who genuinely will improve both the results and the performances, great. Please do that. I've been as critical of Jones as anyone at times.Braziliance said:
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.
What we absolutely CANNOT do is get rid of Jones and then look to see whose out there who wants the job. That's likely to be a short list of underwhelming familiar faces.
Jones goes and we see an improvement = great. Change for changes sake = not great.4 -
Ok fair enough, I agreethenewbie said:
I don't mean "someone" like a poster on here. I'm specifically talking about those people at the club. If they can identify and bring in someone who genuinely will improve both the results and the performances, great. Please do that. I've been as critical of Jones as anyone at times.Braziliance said:
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.
What we absolutely CANNOT do is get rid of Jones and then look to see whose out there who wants the job. That's likely to be a short list of underwhelming familiar faces.
Jones goes and we see an improvement = great. Change for changes sake = not great.0 -
I think we should.fenaddick said:
But those clubs did come up with an alternative.Braziliance said:
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.
Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?
I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.
I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players.
Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well.
Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.
I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak.
Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it.7 -
Been thinking that it may be a blessing in disguise aslong as we do stay up
Jones and the management/owners have seen performances and how lacking we are in most areas and that we need a team overhaul with serious quality to improve and not have a big fight again next season
had we already been safe and playing ok football we may not of got the backing we really need in the summer2 -
I think we all just want this season to end. Stay up and rebuild is our best case scenario. I would like this to be with Jones as I think he is well placed to be a manager that can 'outperform' our situation (budget, players etc). I do agree that we will have a ceiling with him (if he doesn't develop), but I don't think we are anywhere near that.
We would have all taken this at the start of the year but it’s been a more stressful journey (unnecessarily so) than we may have anticipated - especially after the start to the season. I take positives from our start that Jones and some of these players have it in them to play defensively solid yet aggressive and high tempo football. I don't think he is 'anti-football', I think he is playing the hand he's been dealt (he also played a part in dealing himself this hand) and the situation.
The Sheffield Wednesday game was horrible to watch and frustrating. They are the worst team in the league but they've also shown over the last few months they have fight: see Watford, Millwall, Leicester and Coventry performances / results. We are simply not a good enough team to go there and roll them over. The players need to take some accountability. Half the team were off the pace at the weekend. Maybe this is the way Jones sets us up, but I don't think he can be blamed for all of it. Sichenje came on and started to play proactively and aggressively, I would like to see other players take this approach and be bold. Unfortunately I think we just lack the quality to do so.3 -
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Why are so many people of the belief that Jones can’t play any other way? Even last season with us we played good stuff from Late-December to May, we were the second highest scorers in the league and second best team in the leagueBraziliance said:
I think we should.fenaddick said:
But those clubs did come up with an alternative.Braziliance said:
Don't understand this. Imagine if Southampton, Sheffield United or Norwich had this mindset, it might have been one of them getting relegated this season.thenewbie said:
For me what it comes down to is who is this mystery manager who will come in and suddenly turn our current bunch of limited players into prime passing talent? I'm not saying the results are great (they're very much not.) I certainly am not saying I like what we do in terms of style.Chizz said:
No. But it does rather draw questions as to who might be better placed to deliver a better record, thereby becoming one of Charlton's greatest ever managers.wmcf123 said:
Just because he’s better than any of those muppets , doesn’t mean he’s the right man beyond this season .Off_it said:
He's off taking "acting" lessons.gringo said:
Wheres Appleton?Chizz said:Here's a list of managers who have been in charge of Charlton this century. It is, of course, depressingly long.
I've ranked them in order of their win percentages.
Kevin Nugent — 50.0%Johnnie Jackson — 45.5%Lee Bowyer — 45.5%Nathan Jones — 43.0%Chris Powell — 42.4%Dean Holden — 39.2%Alan Curbishley — 38.2%Karl Robinson — 36.5%Alan Pardew — 35.9%Phil Parkinson — 34.3%Guy Luzon — 32.4%Nigel Adkins — 31.4%Karel Fraeye — 28.6%José Riga — 25.0%Bob Peeters — 25.0%Iain Dowie — 23.1%Les Reed — 16.7%Keith Peacock — 0.0%Curtis Fleming — 0.0%
To provide added context, the managers in bold are those who have improved Charlton's league position over three consecutive seasons.
Russell Slade is patiently waiting for someone to bother to work out his stats and Ben Garner (who?) is currently teaching PE (badly) to classes at infants school.
Sometimes, it's better to stick with someone who has done an outstanding job in comparison to dozens before him, than rely on nothing more than dumb hope alone that we could stumble across someone better.
And, when I say sometimes, I mean always.
But until someone can come up with a viable candidate for someone who can get better results and better football on the same budget Jones works with then frankly we're better off (in purely pragmatic terms) with the devil we know.... sadly.
It's not our job as fans to identify a manager or players, as we aren't qualified to do so, and no one at the club would listen anyway.
It is our duty however to voice our concerns and let the club know we are displeased vocally or with our feet if the football or results etc are poor.
There are people who are paid a fortune at the club to make these decisions, and at any professional club.
Big changes in the summer. Jones knows it himself as he's already been on the chopping board twice. We have literally been one loss away twice from having a new manager and people talk like it's absurd to want him out.
No matter what, the club need to spend a lot this summer. If Jones relies on even 30% of this squad again, we will go down, not a doubt in my mind. That's if we manage to stay up.
Of course it isn't our job but it isn't our job to decide we want the manager sacked, who we want to be in the XI, who we'd like to sign etc. but we still discuss is. I think it's interesting that as fans we're happy to discuss all of the above but until a manager is sacked people are reticent to talk about who should be next. Why is it any different?
I will happily admit, I don't want to watch this football anymore. If I am viewed as negative, moany, etc then so be it.
I want Charlton to stay up of course, and I said I would be happy to spend the next 20 years in this league after the last shit show of a decade, but, we simply won't do it with this style of play and players.
Big changes needed. Starts with the squad, but if we sign some proper Championship players, and we are still playing in this fashion, we need fresh ideas on the touchline and back room as well.
Unfortunately, I don't see how it changes. I honestly think you could give Jones, Jack Rudoni, Hayden Hackney, Imrân Louza and we would still look negative and prioritise not losing if they only listened to his instructions and played without freedom.
I'm at a point where I believe he knows one way and one way only. Sheffield Wednesday was enough for me, if we can't outplay them then it's bleak.
Not saying I want him gone, if he turns it around next season and we can start playing some football then goody gum drops, I just don't see it.
He’s shown it at Luton before too. So why is it that people think he’s incapable of producing a team that plays better football, he literally did it last season ffs! When he’s got good players for the level and a bit of time he’s shown before that he can do it so why do so many doubt it now?9 -
How responsible for the duff recruitment and lack of quality loans in the summer was Jones .
maybe not at all but I suspect not , thankfully his reluctance to use the loan market or the fact he’d signed a load of shit meant there wasn’t much alternative but to have a change up in January and that should be enough to get us across the line .
Will the owners fully entrust Jones with recruitment and a larger budget come the summer, let’s hope whatever happens the recruitment is way above the mainly guff that arrived last summer1 -
I think what we might benefit from is an addition in the coaching department. Jones is obviously a very good out of possession coach, one of the best at that in the championship imo. Fleming is an ex-defender and again from his caretaker stint he made us organised and hard to beat, seems to have a great relationship with the players which is crucial for an assistant manager. Hylton has done very well with set pieces so he should stay on that
So I think the 3 we have are doing very well at their jobs currently, but that’s quite a small coaching team for a championship club I would assume. We would maybe benefit from bringing in a 1st team coach that is good at coaching in possession, patterns of play and attacking football to add to what we already have in the coaching department7 -
Jason Euell is the type of person we'd want as that extra coach but I can't see that happening2
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Alan Sheehan was first team coach at Luton and Southampton with Jones. No idea if he wants to go back into coaching or fits what we are missing but he could be a shoutfenaddick said:Jason Eull is the type of person we'd want as that extra coach but I can't see that happening
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He’s done very well to keep us up with a pretty crap squad (had some little div on twitter arguing this is a mid table squad) and deserves next season.If we are still hoovering around the bottom of the league & playing this ghastly brand of football same time next year, I’d hope we go into the 27/28 season with a new manager.0
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You only have to listen to recent interviews, like that with Louis Mendez on Charlton Live yesterday, to realise that Jones realises what the problem is and will address it in the summer. Do some on here really think he’s that stupid that he doesn’t know what the issues are?17
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I think lots of people don't read/listen to them and make assumptions based purely on what they seeLargeAddick said:You only have to listen to recent interviews, like that with Louis Mendez on Charlton Live yesterday, to realise that Jones realises what the problem is and will address it in the summer. Do some on here really think he’s that stupid that he doesn’t know what the issues are?0 -
He’s at PNE isn’t he? Nearer to the train museum.fenaddick said:Jason Euell is the type of person we'd want as that extra coach but I can't see that happening0 -
Sir Jonesy has got the most out of the ability within the squad. Squad improvements/rotations take time NJ will adapt, he has been in professional football long enough to understand the evolutions of squads happen over time0
