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  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,199
    edited 7:24PM
    They just don't learn. Depending on the incident, involving a Saracen academy rugby player, this could well be Stokes last season. Certainly as captain anyway. 
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,149
    I can see a world where you go out celebrating a win and make some bad decisions and end up staying past curfew. Whatever’s happened here is clearly bigger than that but let's ignore that for now. I think it shows the culture around drinking in this team or maybe even cricket more widely is far behind elite sports. I'm lots of other sports those at the elite level won't drink full stop during the season and many will limit themselves to a drink or two during the season. The fact that this has happened enough times in the middle of series at the elite international level shows that they simply aren't as serious about fitness and recovery as other sports. Or maybe it's just this team and others are better?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,199
    edited 8:07PM
    cantersaddick said:
    I can see a world where you go out celebrating a win and make some bad decisions and end up staying past curfew. Whatever’s happened here is clearly bigger than that but let's ignore that for now. I think it shows the culture around drinking in this team or maybe even cricket more widely is far behind elite sports. I'm lots of other sports those at the elite level won't drink full stop during the season and many will limit themselves to a drink or two during the season. The fact that this has happened enough times in the middle of series at the elite international level shows that they simply aren't as serious about fitness and recovery as other sports. Or maybe it's just this team and others are better?
    I think Rob Key wasn't being totally honest when previously interviewed on Sky about the Ashes in saying that only one or two had a problem and that it wasn't cultural. Root, Bairstow, Brook, Hales, Duckett, Stokes, Atkinson and Bethell have all been investigated. Those are just the ones that have been caught because of those incidents.  
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 387
    fenaddick said:
    Multiple places reporting the nightclub incident involves players from Saracens and Cricinfo reporting that Stokes in considering resigning his captaincy
    Be a nightmare for the ECB if this does end up with Stokes dropping the captaincy. The only option in this current squad is Brook, a very good player although I think the captaincy is slightly to soon for him. Not sure the ECB will have much choice though at the moment, no other candidates really stand out.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,149
    Any rumours circulating on what the actual incident was? Times like this I (ever so slightly) regret deleting twitter
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,425
    I imagine he'll stand down as captain.

    The trouble is, the list of potential replacements is very uninspiring 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,199
    Notts_Addick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Multiple places reporting the nightclub incident involves players from Saracens and Cricinfo reporting that Stokes in considering resigning his captaincy
    Be a nightmare for the ECB if this does end up with Stokes dropping the captaincy. The only option in this current squad is Brook, a very good player although I think the captaincy is slightly to soon for him. Not sure the ECB will have much choice though at the moment, no other candidates really stand out.
    The other aspect is that I do not see the wicket for the next Test now being anything other than seam friendly. We can't go in with just three seamers and Bashir in case one of those breaks down (as Henry did and Robinson has done several times in the past) and it would mean our tail starting at 7.

    So, I think Rew will come in, plus four seamers with Bethell and Root having to bowl the spin overs. Bashir, after missing out in the Ashes and not bowling a single ball in this Test might rightly think he's jinxed in those circumstances.
  • cantersaddick
    cantersaddick Posts: 18,149
    Addick Addict said:
    Notts_Addick said:
    fenaddick said:
    Multiple places reporting the nightclub incident involves players from Saracens and Cricinfo reporting that Stokes in considering resigning his captaincy
    Be a nightmare for the ECB if this does end up with Stokes dropping the captaincy. The only option in this current squad is Brook, a very good player although I think the captaincy is slightly to soon for him. Not sure the ECB will have much choice though at the moment, no other candidates really stand out.
    The other aspect is that I do not see the wicket for the next Test now being anything other than seam friendly. We can't go in with just three seamers and Bashir in case one of those breaks down (as Henry did and Robinson has done several times in the past) and it would mean our tail starting at 7.

    So, I think Rew will come in, plus four seamers with Bethell and Root having to bowl the spin overs. Bashir, after missing out in the Ashes and not bowling a single ball in this Test might rightly think he's jinxed in those circumstances.
    2nd coming of Sam Curran?
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,015
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,067
    killerandflash said:
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
    But then you still only have 3 seamers, including the injury prone Ollie Robinson 

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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 72,015
    fenaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
    But then you still only have 3 seamers, including the injury prone Ollie Robinson 
    4 seamers 8 to 11. You'd need 2 more seamers, so presumably Jofra and Baker.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,199
    fenaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
    But then you still only have 3 seamers, including the injury prone Ollie Robinson 
    You would have four because you'd be leaving out Rew and Bashir
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 19,067
    killerandflash said:
    fenaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
    But then you still only have 3 seamers, including the injury prone Ollie Robinson 
    4 seamers 8 to 11. You'd need 2 more seamers, so presumably Jofra and Baker.
    Addick Addict said:
    fenaddick said:
    killerandflash said:
    Rehan to replace Bashir would strengthen the batting. He could bat at 7
    But then you still only have 3 seamers, including the injury prone Ollie Robinson 
    You would have four because you'd be leaving out Rew and Bashir
    It's been a long day
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 42,199
    edited 8:53PM
    cantersaddick said:
    Any rumours circulating on what the actual incident was? Times like this I (ever so slightly) regret deleting twitter
    I have heard one (and this is just a rumour so please don't quote me) and that is that neither Atkinson or Stokes instigated the incident involving the Saracens academy player. Even if that is the case, it still does not justify them being in the nightclub after curfew given the warnings that they were given post Ashes. I think Stokes will have to resign whatever the circumstances.  
  • Notts_Addick
    Notts_Addick Posts: 387
    edited 8:48PM
    Addick Addict said:
    cantersaddick said:
    Any rumours circulating on what the actual incident was? Times like this I (ever so slightly) regret deleting twitter
    I have heard one (and this is just a rumour so please don't quote me) and that is that neither Atkinson or Stokes instigated the incident involving the Saracens academy player. Even if that is the case, it still does not justify them being in the nightclub after curfew given the warnings that they were given post Ashes. I think Stokes will have to resign whatever the circumstances.  
    I think the ECB will be hoping that is true.

    If it does turn out they didn't instigate anything and the only thing they have done wrong is break the curfew I suspect Stokes might just get away with it based purely on the fact there are so few obvious replacements for the captaincy.

    I do think the curfew is a bit of a silly idea but you would have to assume Stokes agreed to it and therefore to break it is incredibly naive especially as captain and especially given the current narrative around the test side. However, I'm not sure that alone would (or should) be enough for him to lose the captaincy.

    It is interesting nothing further has leaked yet, usually it is all out in the public domain immediately. Hopefully that perhaps means it is something innocuous and the ECB have just decided to get ahead of things to avoid the same mistakes they made with the Brook/Bouncer shenanigans. However the quote about selection for the second test is interesting, not sure that needed to be said unless there was a very real possibility that they are not going to be selected. 

    The debate about drinking is very interesting. It often feels the old pro's turned pundits don't really want to go near the subject as I've no doubt the culture was probably even worse back in their day so it would be very hard for them to criticise without looking like complete hypocrites. 

  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 27,679
    cantersaddick said:
    Any rumours circulating on what the actual incident was? Times like this I (ever so slightly) regret deleting twitter
    Don’t worry @cantersaddick

    Don’t need Twitter, It is all over Truth Social mate

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